🍫Syag Lchochma

Mazel Tov on finding the right one.
I am finding your “rant” to be very interesting because you start out talking about how committed to Torah you are despite college/working and build a case for yourself why it is unfair that people write you off for college/working. Then you throw in that you watch movies and listen to “clean” music as if that is just incidental – continuing on about people judging you for working.

So a couple questions/comments come to mind. Why do you say these girls are not as frum as you? What are they doing that you consider a problem, and why aren’t you just worrying about their honesty and derech eretz?

Also, in my book (as a mom in the process) “just watching movies” is a comment on the person’s attitude (for lack of a better word) toward voluntary exposure to tznius, kol isha, and pritzus. Do I also care if he’s honest? Absolutely. Do I care if he has derecho eretz? Absolutely. Does that change the importance of accepting a lesser attitude toward the aforementioned things? Absolutely not! No relation one to the next.

So are you just setting this up to make yourself feel better about the other things you do by pretending the problem is that you work? Or are you trying to put down those who believe these values are important? Or do you really not see that your words are not matching your reality?

Maybe a bit of honest introspection would help answer your questions and those of your friends and make you feel less in need of ranting.

Sorry to disappoint you but you dont cross my mind til you’re mentioned or show yourself . As in the conversation with nevile. And asking a female that question is pretty inappropriate and, untznius .

“those who are easily offended deserve to be offended”
Comments like that convince me it would be pointless to try finding a meeting of the minds.

Yes yes! What he said 👆

haha, I had started making a list as well, just from this thread. But I had a feeling Neville would Segway on dissecting each comment instead of ingesting the whole picture. I also figured I would refrain from roasting.
But Neville, that was what I meant about you being AOC’s writer (before I knew you were black).

Comment: If you hate America than go back to your own country

AOC responding to that comment: trump doesn’t just hate us, he hates minnisota, Wisconsin…. etc.

You can rewrite the comment and then make valid sounding inferences, but it doesn’t change the fact that you rewrote the comment.

5ish – I hear you, and I appreciate the explaination. I still say that you are giving ‘knee-jerk’ responses. The fact that people have legitimate tainos against the claim of lubavitchers crowning their rebbe moshiach for specific reasons is not a reason for you to accuse them of not recognizing moshiach when he comes. And from all I have leaned, nobody will be building the third bais hamikdash so it’s a moot point.

Neville – are you also AOC’s speech writer?

that’s a riot Joseph!! he should correct his knowledge by reading a different thread of you also giving your viewpoint that nobody agreed with. cute.

Phil – separately, I agree completely with the first paragraph, as does halacha and any adom gadol who has spoken out about rebuking others. regarding the second paragraph tho, I think you are correct that it is hypocritical to criticize others for things you regularly do. But he didn’t say that. He said that you can still preach doing what is right even if you yourself are deficient. I think there is a difference between preaching what is right, and criticizing others. I will not imply that I think Joseph’s methods are anything constructive, halachically appropriate or beneficial, but I do believe that your response does not correspond to his comment in that one issue.

Kol Hakavod

I don’t know what goes on in the tri state area (which some posters mistake for the whole jewish world) but I have been working in schools and out for almost 2 decades with children with more severe ADD/HD. They only come my way because they are not able to manage in their classroom, peer groups, home life or a combination of those. I don’t see anyone “throwing medication” at these kids for an easy fix. USUALLY, and that means the most often scenario, we have to meet with the parents several times to convince them that if they choose not to medicate then they NEED to choose a different intervention. They need to understand that the damage done to a child who is unable to control his impulses even if it results in hurting friends, who is unable to concentrate even in conversation with peers, who struggles to follow a class even with supports in place, who is repeatedly yelled at or avoided by siblings because he is “always” breaking their stuff/ruining their game/telling their secrets/unwilling tofollow game rules or lose (let alone graciously)is tremendous and *avoidable*. I am not an advocate for meds, but I have experienced the daily suffering of many many children who are in emotional pain beyond your understanding due to the failure of the parents to administer either medications OR alternative SUCCESSFUL interventions.

The ones who wave the anti med flags on kids they never met seem to have their own personal med issues that they are either secretly justifying or hiding behind.

“Are you seriously calling meds “tools”?”
are you seriously questioning that statement?

Avi- you can’t just make up random kal vchomers.

“I honestly don’t understand why the frum oilom has such a thing for defending him.”
pidyon shavuyim is a “thing” in Halacha. Reading details of a case in several media sources and then pretending we know the full story and then judging the person and acting negatively toward them based on that is an issur.

Does that answer your question?

PuhLease – you have obviously been through so much as an adult, and from what I remember you had been thru too much as a child as well. I must agree with most of everything you have posted, and thank you for writing it so well. I do feel a need to say that while there are both corrupt and easily swayed people in all “professions”, I don’t think it is fair to say “many ravs” are that way. And if you have encountered enough of them to get that feeling, then I really am sorry. That makes healing and moving forward very hard.

PuhLease- I am so sorry!! Gd willing I will keep you in mind. You should have a refuah and yeshua.

“If people stopped giving into their kids and started parenting (disciplining), removed sugars and dyes, shut off the electronics, and made their kids run around”

Haha! Are you really pretending sugar and dyes effect behaviir? (FAke news!) And you put it on par with screentime and exercise? Too funny.
“, about half the cases of autism, ODD, and ADHD would disappear. ”

Sheer lunacy

Neville- your comments aren’t even legitimate enough to qualify as a troll post. And that’s besides being a wee bit too defensive about the topic.

😂😂😂 sorry, i was slow on the edit!

(Check it again)

If that were true, you might be right. But you are either 20 years behind the times, or you are describing your daled Amos and thinking it applies everywhere

You forgot to start with, “once upon a time…”

⬆️ That post was less about dumb, and more about total ignorance.

“If, on the other hand, you want to continue caring about those things but don’t want to stay in New York, I’d recommend checking out Chicago. It’s much more New Yorky than Baltimore.”

The only thing New York about Chicago are the New Yorkers who’ve moved here .

“whereas Chicago is much more divisive. Chicago is also a huge city, and you feel it. Baltimore feels more like a small town.”

Um, Not.

Gee thanks shopping, for your kind words. With all your leadership initiatives you’ve mentioned I’m sorry you haven’t learned more about the Power of Words

I had the same thought. Imamother is the perfect place for women (and men pretending to be women) to hate on all things religious and pontificate deeply on how they certainly could have done it better had they only been consulted but…hey…what can you expect….

…asks a man who thinks of neturei karta as center.