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Ky – i can’t believe a frum yid could say that. Really? Is that the value system of the community you live in? Is that the sheker you are raising your children with? What a pity. What a busha.
Agreed
I take back my earlier vote. It was at least $500. But thats probably not coumting all the return trips to the store for all the things you didnt buy in that weekly shopping.
“Otherwise, just admit you made it up.”
Shtika kihodaa
I can’t tell if your acting like a two year old or attempting humor.
I’ll repost the list of comments you said I made and await the verification. Otherwise, just admit you made it up.
“SL: Why are you militantly against a Torah Jew trying to best adhere to Shulchan Aruch EH 21:1 with a seat change request ”
Source my quote where I said that please
“but are okay with a goy making a seat change request”
Source my quote where I said that pleaseGood old joseph. Leaving is always easier than getting called out.
SL: You’re bringing in a bunch of extraneous points irrelevant (and not part of the question or described scenario) to the primary issue
just playing your game. See you said that halacha requires a person to fly and I said there is no such halacha.
Period
End of interaction.then you added other stuff and quoted me as saying things I never said and asked me to answer a question.
All off topic and all on your initiative.your unreasonable insistence that someone purchase a second empty seat
my insistence was that it is not required by halacha to fly somewhere. That was your claim and I refuted it.
I am still waiting for you to cut and paste from my posts all the comments you say I said. Instead you keep deflecting.
SEPERATE from all that you asked if I think people should purchase an empty seat INSTEAD OF BEING MIVAZE THE PUBLIC. I answered yes.
Recap – you said flyng is mandated by halacha. I said you are making up halachas. You went off topic.
Shulchn Aruch, Even HaEzer 21:1
I asked you for the quote source in MY post where I said that I was “militantly against a Torah Jew trying his best to adhere to the S”A” You can’t, because I didn’t. But nice try answering a different question instead.
Do you insist a Jew should buy second seat rather than making a seat change request to sit next to a family member, away from a baby or closer to the exit to quickly catch his connecting flight leaving shortly after arrival of the current flight?
The conversation was about buying a seat instead of holding up a flight or making others move seats (with or without their consent). To that I answer absolutely. I never condone putting out others for your personal benefit, religious or otherwise. Your time is not more valuable than theirs and even the Torah doesn’t get rolled in front of the kehillah for that very reason. So yes, yes.
And do I stick to it in real life as well? yes.
My father insisted no pictures be taken at my siblings wedding while the guests sat around and waited. We forfeited many things in the name of keeping others from being inconvenienced. Our blood is not redder and our mitzvos are not more valuable. I was raised that way and I raise my children that way.
I once sat at a pharmacy 30 minutes before licht bentching waiting for antibiotics. I had already been there for an hour and was waiting impatiently, davening to get home before shkia. Some guy in my community waltzes in at this 30 minute point to get blood sugar strip refills. He started yelling at the pharmacist who told him it would be a 20 minute wait. He threatened her with every “its my religious holiday and you can’t make me late” story he could think of at the top of his lungs. Had she given in to mr. narcissist, I, who waited for over an hour, would have had to walk home in the snow.
Joseph, Torah observance is not about “bishvili” only. Sometimes its about being that speck in the universe.“SL: Why are you militantly against a Torah Jew trying to best adhere to Shulchan Aruch EH 21:1 with a seat change request ”
Source quote please“but are okay with a goy making a seat change request”
Source quote please
“You’ve never demanded that the aforementioned gentile purchase a second seat. ”
Why would I give a hoot what a gentile does on an airplane?
“You’ve never demanded that the aforementioned gentile purchase a second seat.”
Shaichus? I never even joined the conversation. I only jumped in when you tried to imply that flying on a plane was a halacha and that is not true. You may need to fly on a plane to perform a mitzvah/halacha, and If flying is the only option you have to perform a certain mitzvah, huge if, then what business do you have putting a price cap on it?
” Is that demand only reserved for a poor Jew borrowing money for one seat to go to do a mitzvah such as Kibud Av V’Eim or burying a relative?”
Are you rationalizing? Wow! What about the fact that i couldn’t afford lulav and esrogim, wine or fleish for 20 people for 10 meals. Why is this different? Except, of course the obvious fact that flying is not a halachik requirement.
There are various times and situations where flying is absolutely necessary and even halachicly mandated.
rubbish. You may have halachas that require flying to get to them, but the flying is not halacha. It’s that word twist thing. Halacha does not require the flying, and if it does, then include a second seat in the cost of the halacha observance. Why is that not acceptable to you. Money should not be an issue.
Why wouldn’t they be? It’s alot of money to throw out the window and then also pay for stiff to send
Oh, also our school lunches are very expensive so we buy food for the kids to take to school. If you don’t have that expense I would assume it could make a dent and things
I would concur with the ranges given in the last two posts. I would even say it’s a bit more here in Chicago where we have food taxes which, if I understand correctly, they don’t have a New Jersey. Don’t know about New York. That definitely adds up when you’re talking about hundreds of dollars worth of food
Yeah, it’s called chinuch. Did you ever watch a kid brush his teeth? He rarely gets as many as he misses. But he’s imitating what he sees and hears. That’s called the learning process 🙄
Gosh, now you got me curious
Dr Pepper that is THE best story!! Thank you!!!!!!
Wow. I hope I’ve had the zchus of helping just one person. D
id you ever see her again?Why would I want to sign out?
Oddly enough ifound it’s only happening in my chrome browser but not firefox. Go figure
Funnybone- i don’t think he’s trying to upend the system or complain about the way it’s been set up, he’s just commenting that there are people who are not comfortable with it. I have heard that many times and judging by the increase in people willing to paying extra to use private mikvahs there must be a demand of some kind.
As far as modesty, i don’t think is always about that. Even if you are comfortable changing in a locker room, that isn’t the same as finding your rebbe among you or your menahel. And aren’t there halachos about seeing your father without clothing?There is also a cleanliness issue, not all of us are used to sharing or recycling bath water like they did a century ago.
Regarding safety…I’ll leave that one alone.
I haven’t seen a decent shirt under 30 in decades
I’d rather have a donut
I was home with my kids and I heard that a plane hit the twin towers. My husband called from work to say that a plane flew into the world trade center. We weren’t sure if it was the same place or not. but meanwhile another plane hit and I was convinced moshiach was about to arrive so I called my rebbetzin and started crying that Moshiach was coming and I didn’t have enough zchusim yet. It was such a terrifying time, so I try to remind myself thru the years how fearful I was of being caught ‘shorthanded’ and not to allow myself to miss opportunities that come my way.
I totally agree, very annoying. Insread of climbing in, i have learned to reach in and spon the drum one spin around to check for those socks.
Okay, so we have different experiences. It happens.
GH- it is extremely dry where i live for much of the year and the mold is always a problem
We bought Samsung front loading washing machine (Black Friday and floor model deal). It works well but computerized means I have less flexibility to rush the cycle by spinning forward, or reversing a bit to add clothes ( not common issues in most homes, I’m sure) the mold problem is huge. We use the machine daily and run it through self clean cycles and cannot get rid of the awful smell. The clothes smell fine but the machine and draining water are disgusting.
Thanks much for clarifying.
You may have learned them from knowledgeable people but you are applying them Incorrectly and making erroneous assumptions. That is a very dangerous game to play. And to then assume you’re correct and just call everybody else strict is wrong
” there’s straight up Halacha that says burnt substances of any food are no longer considered food”
this is what I consider dangerous talk. Yes, maybe a ‘straight up Halacha’ says that, but we have no reason to believe an oven that is warming things gets hot enough to burn substances to that point. And what if they are in together? And what about the 10 times you use the oven while it is not yet burnt (if it burns at all?) When you throw out a known halacha as an aside in a conversation, even though it does not actually apply here, people get sucked in. And you can be misleading a lot of people. It is not being a machmir, it is about not making assumptions about anything that isn’t assumable and calling it a chazaka.
Where is the source that you are allowed to eat something that you know in advance may have visible treif or basar bcholov in it ?
Milhouse – you can’t possibly use customers preference for chocolate without strawberry in it as a gauge for your kashrus. And if you do, you have no business presenting it as an option here. Kashrus regulations aren’t about trends in customers likes and dislikes.
“@milhouse that’s actually a pretty interesting point. I feel that it should be good enough for us”
so what?
Milhouse- agreed that surely is used in Halacha but not without research. You can’t say surely they rinse it just because you think they should. If you visit a store you will find a trough of water with an absorbent sponge. The server dips the scoop into the trough and dabs it on the sponge a few times. Surely that’s not what you meant by rinsing.
I hear that you can’t pasken on “skeptical” but you also can’t make statements like that about the oven being fine after having treif food heated in it. You would need to know if anything dripped anywhere, if any bits of it are still in the oven etc. It’s loads of fun to try to present people who keep halacha as neurotic and overdoing it, but “an oven that had treif things warmed in it” is not the same as the status of an oven in a treif store that you don’t know is clean, filthy, has food stuck to it from the bakers lunch yesterday etc. Or that the muffins are in there while other stuff is as well.
“I’m not sure if im being clear..”
If it’s any consolation I totally get your question and I think it’s a good oneMilhouse – That is really interesting! I find it so strange (sad perhaps?) that a bottom feeding fish is not kosher because of what it eats, yet there are Jews looking to eat that same stuff.
Actually not, but nice try.
additionally- speaking of liberal attitudes, show me another issue where people spend more time, energy and violence on demanding proof of guilt of the accused adult, with no equal regard and demand for truth for the child victim than this one.
(and feel free to answer the other questions as well)TLIK – your post is a joke.
I am not an activist and I don’t sound like one. If you read and understood what I wrote instead of assuming, you would have figured that out. I am not talking about the law, haven’t really addressed it except to say straight and clear that I have not formed an opinion on it. Is that like the activists?
I am addressing the stupidity of some of the posts who are stuck in 30 years ago calling abuse a rare occurrence and thinking the majority of these tormented people made it up and are now in it for the money.I also said I don’t support either side without knowing the facts and you seem to be bothered about the fact that I ask the same of you and your friends.
Sounds like your glasses may be foggy.
speaking of spouting, you totally made that up. Why should anyone have to answer to stuff you pulled out of a hat.( Unless you are trying to tell us you have personal experience on how much it costs to defend a molester in court, but I would assume you just picked the most dramatic effect you could come up with. )
“President Trump is one of the greatest things to happen to this country.”
Let me just tweak that – President Trump, though a moron with poor social skills and little self control, is one of the greatest things to happen to this country.
🙂
huju – I wish that were the case! I don’t think these posters think that lots of people are out for money, they are just SO reactive to any thought that molesters should be outed. It’s like the anti vaxxers or hilary lovers. None of it makes sense but once they refuse to out a molester, they are willing to destroy a victim if they have to in order to protect their stance. It is truly mind boggling.
I’ll take that poison example from smerel. Someone finds out that a neighbor had been adding washer fluid to the child’s food because they had mental illness that caused them to believe the child was an amaleki. (in fact there was such a horrific story in Israel years back) The child gets very sick and a couple people notice that some frequent playdates have shown some odd symptoms as well.
When this story comes out NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON will say, “I wonder why a kid would make up a story like that”.
Why people with NO facts are obsessed with defense of these people, claiming false allegations even though that is not as common, INSISTING that the molestation is a one in 25 year thing….
I have never seen such a disregard for children by frum jews in any other realm. A true ehrlich yid should be heartbroken for the child, praying the molester, if guilty, gets help, and crying to Hashem for the klal. Firing families, burning their houses, accusing their fathers, WRITING LETTERS to the courts in the molesters defense WITHOUT knowing details, and NOTHING to support the children, NOTHING at all. It can’t be explained logically.
Those here who stomp their feet at the idea of molesters getting in trouble will usually admit they have no facts .(or they read it in the news, or spoke to the cleaninghelp, or they KNOW he is innocent because they both carpooled together. A sure sign indeed) Then tell me, what kind of a Yid with NO facts supports the molester? To the point of violence and vitriol? Why not support both of them? Or neither?
In all my hatred for the menuvalim, I accept no story as true without facts, and if I have no facts I don’t pretend to have them. Can you tell me you do the same?smerel- I am not sure you are correct about any of it. If he was poisoned, someone would know and I doubt there would not have been a doctor involved. And if it was molestation, I still don’t know that you are right about it getting any more serious attention. Unfortunate but true.
As a possible answer I will tell you that historically, people don’t get molested once, there is a process of emotional abuse beforehand in the grooming of the victim, and there is rarely only one victim (unless it is a parent and his own child). People around the child will notice differences in them and their behavior, drastic changes that they all notice, without understanding what happened. And there is plenty to work with in the details of how he groomed the victim, how he got them to the place, who knew they were there etc. It is usually much more elaborate, involved and traceable than just pouring someone a drink. And often there was an adult who was told and chose to ignore it. They will be another link.
So I agree that if it was like that (someone sneaks up on a kid, molests them once and disappears into the sunset) it would probably have little chance of being brought to justice.
Hope that helps.
LAmother – you obviously don’t have to answer this but were you in EYAHT their second year?
I obviously wasn’t asking you, you’ve already given your opinion. But knowing how wrong you are in your motzei shem ra about my affiliations, im not willing to be mekabel your words without hearing what he says about it.
Is Charlie an open orthodox adherent of avi Weiss or is this just more mud slinging?
“And then meet up with a kiruv professional who accepts their alleged Jewishness for granted”
Not sure if this is motzei shem rah on all Kirin professionals or just most. I have personally help in the process of researching the background and paperwork of people who grew up believing thwy were jewish from more than one agency and i am not even affiliated with them, i was merely asked to help.
I dont have problems processing. You said you want to be civil but rude seems to be more your style. How bout just not responding to my posts, tbat might make it easier to move forward.
Now I *really* have no idea what you are trying to say.
I didnt mention joseph and i have nothing to do with your zetsing. Happy to put it to rest.Good shabbos