🍫Syag Lchochma

I know you think im wrong, and you were able to to reach far to get there. But that wasn’t the case ar hand. According ro someone familiar with halacha i was correct.

umm, I don’t think we have clarity. im not sure where you came up with the beginning of your post, about motzei shem rah. I said I was talking about expecting bad things from a group of frum jews who have not done anything yet. joseph said (and I believe I am paraphrasing without altering it) that some frum yidden will now come forward and say bad things that are knegged halacha (rationalizations about the superbowl).

THIS is jumping to a conclusion, regardless how sure you are, that yidden will sin. he judged them infavorably, accusing them (although we don’t know specifically which ones, but Yidden nonetheless) of being sinners without a limud zchus that this year they might be different. there is no room to say he was standing up for Halacha in the face of evil, no evil had been done except in his negative expectation of members of klal Yisroel.

seriously tho, although I have no interest or desire to partake in contentious conversations, if everyone has shifted back to neutral, and you sincerely have a question, I am happy to answer it.

We have a store here that started distributing those heavy reusable ones. I don’t remember which law sparked it tho. I was thinking the bag tax but they are across the street from Chicago (their side is a suburb) so the tax didn’t apply. We also have a store within the Chicago borders that puts a stash of plastic bags on a hook on the outside of their building with a sign that people are welcome to take them if they need them for any reason.

Again, if I was wrong about your intent, I apologize

“Maybe you should be dan me likaf zechus that I am honestly interested in a real exchange of ideas.”

If that was the case you would have stated, not spewed. and you would have stuck to the facts. But if I am wrong, then stating that would be sufficient. Assuming I responded because you were defending Josef is just dumb. and implies you aren’t commenting on the topic at hand at all. I have defended Josef’s views when appropriate and agreed with him when appropriate. Again, if you were commenting on the facts presented, you would have responded differently if you were actually interested as opposed to jumping in on a “joseph situation”. If I judged you wrong, thank you for letting me know. I make a tremendous effort to look at lots of sides before I say anything both here and in real life. When they are not putting down Torah values, the frum community or making a chilul Hashem I will go out of my way to find any idea that will judge them favorably.
There is a list a million miles long of things I don’t do or don’t do well but giving a limud zchus is something I work very hard on and don’t take lightly.

kluger- thank you so much for your diatribe. I do have a personal shitta not to respond to people who aren’t listening and I KNOW I am going to be sorry for making this exception.
I didn’t defend any of those people.
I didn’t tell him to be dan lkaf zchus the people who turned off the commercials.
If you wipe your drool and read back you will see that I commented on expecting the worst from klal Yisroel BEFORE they open their mouths.
You do understand the concept of before and after, right?
Move on.

A non Jewish female coworker told me this morning that the half time show was so offensive and nothing short of pornography. She was horrified that the performers allowed their own children to watch, let alone the public. She said it was unprecedented.
When I think of any of you boys, men here, or any others I cross paths with, seeing such a thing turns my stomach and breaks my heart. Sincerely and honestly.

Joseph – It breaks my heart when super bowl sunday comes around and I hear people talk about getting together to watch it. and if there is any influence to be had on the decisions of those who go, then great. but I am always amazed at the free pass you give yourself to talk this way about klal Yisroel. You have a torah obligation to be dan lkaf zchus at least as much as your thrill to denigrate. If you want to be honest, even you must admit that your advance condemning and expectations of horrible behavior is wrong al pi halacha. Please don’t allow yourself the same sweeping rationalizations you accuse them of making.

there are people who genuinely care about what klal Yisroel spends their time on , instead of just condemning them. Those people have set up different options of watching the superbowl without commercials and half time shows, or incentives to be doing something better instead. I thank those people from the bottom of my heart for not sitting back and cursing klal Yisroel, but for taking action instead. May Hashem reward them with only good.

Ubiq – you’re right but you’re wrong. You are arguing that a return is a return and if aseller doesn’t want returns he shouldn’t take them. The “other side” is saying that the returns are in place to encourage sales for people who made a purchase that didnt work out. And *additionally* if they knew people were using the return policy as a way to AVOID a sale they wouldn’t approve. So you disagree saying you’ve had that conversation with sellers and further, even without they’re consent you disagree anyway.
Im not sure how yoy can think sellers would agree with you, but that’s besides the point. I was just trying to unkink the argument. To you a return is a return. Not everyone sees it that way. So the seller “taking returns” is not a given that they want tho take areturn you made to avoid a sale.

“It is time for him and his despicable fractured family to pack up and leave the country”

haha, looky there! CTLawyer has started advocating for deporting immigrants!!!

I think you are ignoring the context. He is trying to say (without having actually read the books) that people doing bad things are portrayed in a positive light, giving credence to them and their actions. I was rebutting that they are portrayed negatively, not as heros, and the fact that their doings may bear fruit, they are not porrrayed as successful. This is actually a good lesson for all thise who think they are seeing such things in real life where we are without the benefit of narration.

This looked like a levaya from the first minute of Rabbi Mandel crying and ending with Helfgot crying.

one of the dumbest/most disrespectful comments yet

Deflect? You have the chutzpah to single me out with such sina and accuse me of not properly welcoming moshiach? Who do you think you are? A sick and hateful man. Your rebbe would be embarrassed.

“Why do you think some Jews did not feel it? Would the same Jews lack joy in Moshiach?”

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5ish- and i hope you can clearly see the difference between your narrative and their narratives above, which i believe reflects the difference between the authenticity of your commitment to Torah and the unfortunate cultism that allows people to absorb, accepr and retell stories as if it was a superhero fandom.

Trump was an adulterer and Clinton was an addict. Both are disgusting but one puts the public more in danger.
I won’t support that behavior in either of them because I WON’T lower the bar. But all of you seem to be giving Clinton a pass for this (and Obama for the 40 trillion) etc etc so who is really lowering the bar?

klugeryid – you ask a rational question to an irrational post? Good luck.

ok. now I KNOW you are dreaming. If you think that Obama refusing to speak out against terrorists, let alone FUNDING them, and shunning Netanyahu didn’t open that door than you are sorely mistaken. Add to that the reality of when the rising began….during the Obama presidency.

he doesn’t have to be against anyone to be for anyone. He supports causes, and if the white nationalists are in agreement with that cause, so be it. It doesn’t mean he supports them, it never did. That’s called serving a country. If you support coal miners, you are going against the environmentalists. That doesn’t mean you are against them, it means you are supporting the cause of the coal miners. You can’t support ANYONE or ANYTHING without having someone on the other side. Wanting to keep out illegal aliens (as opposed to aliens) is something the kkk supports, although for different reasons. That doesn’t put him on that side of the fence. And pretending it does it hogwash. And if you want to pretend that he is NOT an ohaiv Yisroel (although I don’t agree with Josephs version of him) than explain the things he did for Jews. No real white supremisist could even hand a tissue to a jew with a runny nose let alone free one from jail.

“unfortunately, the lyrics of most rock music are indecipherable anyway so unlikely to cause anyon to go OTD”

You do know that’s rubbish, don’t you? It’s not indecipherable to teenagers who listen to it. That’s either a rationalization or sarcasm.

CTL – where in my post do you get the impression i was talking to though? I was answering a dumb question, knowing full well how blind otherwise honest people are. Never paid you a thought, sorry .

“thereby endangering our national security and not for corruption”

Except you are relying on propaganda to back that. It just proves that if they say something enough times people believe it to be true.

That is something of a chutzpah, you know. Saying it was for shalom that he was quiet when he came out of the house and bad mouthed him and all misnagdim in an extreme way.
Fairy tale sounds more like it. The fact so many people are quick to accept it as loving is so unfortunate

Knaidlach – that’s just silly. I dont go telling people the small child was worse than russian anti semites.

CS and milhouse – when a misnaged berates a lifestyle that is believed to be a threat on kovod hatorah, it isn’t worse than evil tortures. And if he served him tea, he obviously was speaking as a caring jew. To slander misnagdim and call it a holiday is degrading and hateful.