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I hear people say that when this is over it will be a different world. I don’t really see it, but i certainly am davening hard for it to happen.
Well said!common – I totally hear what you are saying about want vs need. I do agree as well that in the want category there are some things that are gashmiyusdik wants that are to serve us, and some ruchniyus wants that are good for us, such as having family over and owning new clothes for yuntif (that are affordable etc). I don’t think you are refuting this, I’m just throwing it out there.
When people talk about managing tho, I don’t think managing is the question. When our power went out for two days (1999) in single digit weather, my family (including a newborn) ‘managed’. We sat under blankets and read books etc. But the question isn’t about managing, the question is – did it bring you closer to Hashem? Did it give you an opportunity to grow in ruchniyus? Did it give you time/perspective/pause/opportunity to learn that Hashem runs the world and we need to let go and stop trying to fix things and control the world around us. We managed before washing machines, we managed before fax machines, but we didn’t manage before antibiotics. Managing is surviving. I don’t think Hashem wants to see if we can “manage” without our “stuff”. I think (heard this from many recent shiurim) that the question here is what do we need to bring us closer to Hashem? What do we need to take ourselves up a notch in our observance? What do we need to strengthen our emunah and bitachon? And what do we just need because it enhances our existence personally (like ice coffee or sudokus) or allows us to enhance someone elses (yummy treats for the kids, flowers)?
Instead of pondering wants vs needs, I think it should be pondering things we want that are good for us (will bring us closer to Hashem) vs things we want that are not good for us (relationships with people who don’t watch their words) and also things we need to bring us closer to our tafkid/tikun/Borei Olam.
yichusdik – Thank you! Thank you for coming back here after so long to write such a beautiful and truthful post. Thank you for giving everyone something else besides blame to focus on. Just thanks.
GH – 🤣🤣🤣
“and injecting him/her with high concentrations of Lysol”
Right, cuz he said that.
As I’ve said before, if you need to distort it, it’s obviously not as bad as you’d like it to be. And with trump, it’s usually plenty stupid so your (collective) need to enhance and distort just disqualifies your integrity overall.So basically he didn’t say it. Thank you for clarifying. What he says is usually dumb enough not to require distortion to something worse, which then is defined as no longer honest reporting. But that seems to work for people somehow.
“Trump suggested yesterday something about sticking powerful lights in your body and injecting yourself with bleach or some other disinfectant t”
Did he really say that?!
🤦♀️Acolyte- can you do me a favor and keep your bashing to yourself. Isnt living in isolation enough of a reminder that we need to change how we talk and think? If you have a question about your school, call them. If you need to rant, call a friend. If you are looking for chizuk, you may be able to rewrite your post differently.
ThanksUbiq- i wonder if we’ll ever know. I was thinking about all the varying information I got from people regarding symptoms and things i read that doctors said didn’t quite shtim. Some people had brown urine and sputum, i know i had weeks of fire burning acid bath in my stomach (no, not heartburn) and i as well as others complained of back pains that we wondered if it was kidney related. So much unknown, and so much is anecdotal. People recorded test results but didn’t really ask for symptoms.
Ubiq – is the extensive kidney damage you have seen a side effect of the covid or is the virus attacking the kidneys?
It blows my mind that any intelligent life form can hand even a penny to china after what they just did to us. And to give them money so that they can profit from this virus is something i didn’t think possible. I have no faith in the business sector
No they did not.
Som- there is nothing good about trump’s tweets, it emphasizes his lack of filter or impulse control and if i could personally cancel his phone data plan i would.
No, it was the ones who did not have symptoms who had to quarentine everytime they were exposed to someone who was sick. The ones who got sick had to wait at least 7 days from onset until they were 3 days done.
BH in chicago there are organizations doing people’s shopping so many here are able to stay inside. I know several with health risks who won’t leave the house, are afraid to. My assymptomatic kids were stuck in the house for weeks because each time another family member got sick they had to reset the quarentine clock. For most of the population, it’s just not realistic to think this can go on another month. And the kids who are the lowest risk physically, and the highest risk emotionally and socially need to get out. If not sleep away then day camp, but they need out.
GH – how long exactly are you thinking people are gonna stay holed up in their houses? 60 more days makes sense to you? I would be surprised if they pull off another 15
I’m talking purely from my impression of humanity and nothing else – i don’t see anything changing when these barn doors open. People will have an emotional need to put this fear laden time behind them and continuing a fight with a microbe that may or may not still be a threat won’t cut it for most people.
The high risk people will probably live more fearfully, but most people who probably already had it and moved on will be chomping at the bit to pretend life goes on. And i believe it will. Our insides might have matured but on a societal scale i would be shocked if anything looks different.
An obvious seperate issue is the talents of the teachers. Just as in the classroom, i would expect certain teachers could pull together some beautiful zoom sessions, google classroom videos or teleconference classes while others less comfortable with the medium will be less able to do so. That will greatly affect the success rate of the teaching/learning experience.
Sounds like your kids have talented teachers. Count your blessings.
” If you havent seen a rebbe teach over zoom I am not sure how you can give an opinion.”
Cuz i did.
And attended several myself.
Still not sure why it bothers you.“At the same time you cant hamper the yeshivos from trying to use the best products available”
I don’t remember being given any type of authority to do so. I don’t think i even said they should. I was just expressing my opinion based on my experience, which seems to annoy you because it doesn’t match yours. Not my issue.My seventh grader isn’t holding by flashcards.
“. It’s a superior learning. No?”
No, not as a rule. I think a live call is more contact than a video. And i don’t think there is ANYTHING out there in the universe (except maybe a newborn) as distracting as a computer screen.“A telephonic system that worked for 2 weeks may not be sufficient for 2 months or longer.”
Why not?
Rational – very well said about opening the internet door. Something i worry very much about.
I don’t understand your misrepresentation of phone school as inferior. One small example: my daughter received a large packet of work to go along with the phone classes. She sat at the table with the phone on speaker and her papers. When i peeked in on my son on google classroom i had to remind him to turn down the chat requests, close the music tabs and ignore incoming notifications. Not quite the same.
“But why am i getting the feeling that certain posters here are annoyed that some people don’t use internet. ”
You get that feeling because it’s true. And she’s been called out on it and just can’t seem to give it up. Hasn’t this call for change affected you at all, GH? Can you show us a crack in your false front? What gives?Two of my 4 kids currently enrolled in school are using dial in and 2 are using internet (google classroom or zoom). My assessment is that the teachers are working their tails off to present material, monitor the students, keep in touch and manage with their own homes and i say thanks yoto them all. Some venues work better for different learners than others, just like in real life. And the challange is to find reason to be thankful in everything life deals you.
“If it’s not being spread by minyanim how comes so many people seem to have caught it in shul?”
If it IS being spread by minyanim how come so many people d got it elsewhere? My husband got it at work from someone who may have gotten it from someone he saw in a supermarket who knew she had it but didn’t isolate. And my female friend got it but her husband did not go to minyan. My kids who went to minyanim before being told not to are the only ones in my house who BH have NOT gotten it.
I work for hatzalah, i get the outcry, but if you don’t know that your rant is 100% lishma than keep it to yourself. Go complain about target, safeway and walmart.😆
Common- is that teally the only response you could come up with?
wow GH and rational – nothing is more exciting to you than having a place to vent your dislike for chareidim. And that you can’t even control yourself now is so sad. You just can’t stand that some people are so broken not to be able to daven with a minyan that they may be making bad choices, but you have no problem making your bad choices believing anything you read and spouting it here over and over on so many threads. MOVE ON!
I have not heard a single word from you about any of the other thousands of people who HAVE INTERNET but still chose to shop, go to the beach, go to parks, meet up with ships at ports loot stores, etc. Why? because you just can’t pass up an opportunity to spew your personal disdain for the love of/attachment to torah and the sheltered lifestyle (mentioned no less than 5 times, I’ve lost count)
What in the world is your issue? Are you so excited to be free from shul and shiur that you are bothered that others are missing it? (I doubt it, but why not make jump to ‘racist’ conclusions like you are)
Just cut it out. If you can’t break from your need to be condescending, go do research on the hospital administrators who are letting nurses treat people with only plastic bags to protect themselves. Put your jew-hater hats on the hook til life gets back to normal. Or maybe the mods can wake up and stop approving your garbage posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!For example, viable vs non viable (your scenario) does not mean old vs young.
When my dad was in the hospital, they told me it was a shame to “waste” O- blood on him when someone younger may be able to benefit from it. There was no such young person there at the time. THAT is an example of letting the elderly go to save resources for the young.You’re doing it again. I don’t disagree with any of what you write but it is NOT an answer to the claim you are tying it to. You cannot make a comment that a doctor subscribes to letting old people go to save the resources for young people based on a situation that does not in any way illustrate that point. You are bringing “supporting evidence” that describes an in the moment need to address two individuals, viable and not viable, and chosing viable with deciding to leave supplies in the storage room just in case a younger person happens to need it. There is no comparison and it might be motzei shem rah to claim he ascribes to the later.
Ubiq – I’m surprised at you!
This:
Of course he chooses who he thinks is more likely to benefit
Is absolutely NOT an example of sacraficing older patients SO THAT there will be more resources for the young! Not at all.Seriously tho, i am washing a lot of dishes but I’m also trying to take care of all the eyesores that I bemoanednot having time to take care of. Like getting rid off toys, books, clothes etc that we’veall outgrown. I know if i let it go I’ll regret it. Also bake once a day, bad idea but it perks everyone up. We’ve done our share of jigsaw puzzles and there’s also audio books.
In other words…Everything except schoolwork 🙄Wasing dishes, baking, washing dishes, cooking, washing dishes.
SaraZ – I’m in america and i hear no such thing. Don’t forget our words do more damage than any virus can. Our job is to perpetuate truth, lone posts disappear on their own as soon as people stop rehashing them.
Maybe it’s not just you, maybe it’s your location. Baruch Hashem we have been having lots of deliveries. Our local store is doing same day shopping and delivery even though it is not usually a service of theirs. The 7-11 near us will even deliver slurpees!
I think it’s just you.
Thanks froggie. A strong dose of chizuk goes a long way.
I attended two weddings and hope to hear my friends son leun . People have sent out links to watch in real time and post messages if you are comfortable with that. I am grateful for any simcha someone sends my way.
ShloimieB- so are you saying you live in a rented apartment in south florida? Because if not, im not really sure how you can make a cheshbon for food in a tourist location and compare it to food everywhere else.
ShloimieB – I hear that, so you were agreeing with my claim? Pesach can’t be made for less then $2000 if everything is included. And if you Don’t include everything, then it doesn’t make much sense. I don’t even think there are take out options here. So unless I fly somewhere else and pay rent, I have to go according to local prices.
ShloimeB – that’s impressive. But what about the rental fee and the flights?
Your habit of battuling things by using extremes is both dishonest and sometimes dangerous.
I wasn’t talking about hotel programs. I said that it costs thousands to make pesach if you do not have any pesach items in your house. Your fantasy of take out food and disposables does not exist everywhere, and you don’t get to eat matza with jelly on a 9 cent paper plate for a yom tov meal.
Perhaps you haven’t made pesach, haven’t foot the bill for pesach, or just don’t consider the chashivus of being mikabed the yamim tovim. I have no idea what your story is. But making pesach for a young tho not small family is minimally $2000.GH – You cannot call making Pesach an inconvenience. For some young families who have previously gone to parents it is not about kvetching that they have work to do this year. It will cost THOUSANDS of dollars to make Pesach. Especially if you don’t have a kosher eruv available and will be home for many meals. Even if you are willing to use fancy disposable instead of purchasing brand new sets of dishes the “stuff” is as huge an expense as the food.
If the chofetz chaim said it there would be nothing to take up. Stop teaching distorted halacha to support bad behavior!
joseph – you actually have the chutzpah to try rationalizing badmouthing people? That’s really bad.
For all you uninitiated readers out there being addressed, it is absolutely WRONG to make cynical indictments of frum yidden, and to then rationalize is even worse.Reb e- if that is true than you haven’t voted in years and won’t be voting for many more
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Ironic that you can worry about emotional abuse but not think twice about telling someone they need professional help. Very sensitive of youOh I totally thought of that as well. My figuring was that nothing I’ve said until now has been received / how it was intended so in the end who cares?
I’m gonna write this just to test a theory that you insist on having the last word.