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Nom – in this context what would you like empathy and mourning to look like. Specifically in regard to summer programming.
Mkylb – i disagree about your health assessment and so do many of the ny residents who happily took to the streets, beaches, airshows, parks (shall i go on?)
I assess the present worry-level based on facts but have relatives and friends living the fear factor. I encourage them to research a bit more. Talk to doctors, check the dept of health websites.When a 90 year old driver is driving down the street at 18 miles an hour and you “zip” past him going 25, he will see you as reckless based on where his senses are functioning. Those who believe we are in the midst of a pandemic in ny may be doing the same. Check it out.
Nom- i think we may both be wrong on those points
Is that supposed to be a haskama?
Not at all. Spinning fairy tales and pretending they happened is wrong. Nothing in my post is changed woth this fact.
None given
Can’t vouch for it but heard they pursued arrest after finding out there was warrant out for him
Nom- i will not pretend to know how many people in the united states have had the virus and obviously neithet can you, but you seem to be going by the reported tests (per trumps comment) and i believe that to be way off. As a firsthand example, i will take just 5 families that i personally know. Of those 5 families, there were 8 who tested positive. So you see that as 8 out of 40 people. Leaving 80% at risk of getting sick. The truth is, however, that 36 of those people already were sick. Leaving 10% not yet infected. I have heard this from frum families all over the various states (im not at work so haven’t spoken to any others) And they won’t test these people for covid19 or for antibodies so they will never be a part of those “cases”, forever giving a false impression that there have only been a small percentage of us who got sick.
Ben Levi – you misunderstood. I didn’t justify giving power to anyone, i was telling joseph he was wrong that those individuals don’t exist.
Huju-
a. My stupid phone’s version of glimpse. Not sure why my finger fits all keys except the p (and r)
b. Mine too
c. On an anti-semetic website it would be impossible to berate/insult/speak condescendongly about yeshivish people without being lumped in yourself. But if you’re point is that it was just a general benign comment then i apologize.
d. FascinatingGH- do i need to comment on your use of a semi colon in the word shouldn’t or would it be okay if we act our age and not obsess over the fact that people don’t treat posts as literary samplings
Huju – aside from you being wrong according to miriam Webster, your claim that a misspelling must be a yeshiva issue just gives us yet one more glimose into your anti semetic views.
😀I’ve never figured out why you revert to that lame falsehood, as anyone reading my posts would know, but it sure makes it obvious were your nerves are.
Yserbius – I can think of three responses:
You are mistaken
There isn’t consistent reliable reason to believe that everyone who got swept up in the first waved will catch it in a second wave, if there even is such a thing
I would hope and pray that those at high risk are not out and about right nowFalse. I just hate the Chillul Hashem you make when you start drooling over it.
oh yay! somehow the conversation circled back to Joseph’s favorite!
Yes joseph. And i can attest not onky that it’s a large group, but that your information is based solely on what you’ve decided to attribute to them.
Joseph- not true. There are specific communities where it they will give you justification for cheating government, and there are many, many of those who don’t put up rainbows or justify anything. While you are right that the movement is made up of thise who do claim to be proud, it is one of your games to pretend that it applies to all. Its as stupid as saying that if you support a policemen you must hate blacks because the protesters said so.
“I’d guess that somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the participants on average were wearing masks. Also, they were OUTDOORS and a lot of them were trying to stay at some distance from others. ”
Oh righ. I’m calling your bluff.
But thanks for the laugh.What a joke! Joseph, how do you do thst with astraight face? Going on and on waxing poetic about some story you gleaned from too much screen time and video clips. And you think you have a full story about it and the officers? What a laugh. You cravings to stir people up is so transparent that i am often shocked that people take the bait. Myself Included
No. Im giving you musser
Say thank you and walk away.“but to excel in it. I personally wouldn’t have chosen hating to be that mitzvah”
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I remember being taught to take one mitzvah and “make it my own”. Not to exagerate it’s primary importance over any others, but to excel in it. I personally wouldn’t have chosen hating to be that mitzvah.
Good luck with thatJoseph, you seem to be confusing hating a behavior and hating a person.
While i don’t agree with Haimy’s style or approach (and am choshed that it was written like that for that reason), i find the responses embarrassing.
I completely agree with the responses, but you have sadly strengthened his point. Had someone written an overdramatic post on lashon hora or fraud you never would have asked if he feels the same about mishkav zachor. The appropriate response would probably be to add it to the offenses, not to use it as a counter argument.
I spent too many years working in a very very liberal environment where straight conservatives were the minority. I respect my coworkers but was apalled by their lifestyles. But it wears off. And i left because of the effect it was having on my spiritual level.
Do i think Haimy’s approach is effective? No. And i doubt he does either. But the responses, though accurate in content, were inadequate in context.common – I’m not sure if you are saying that you are surprised he had “Shabbos issues” because you never did? A lot of us have. Many can’t get jobs without promising Saturday hours and short Fridays can be a problem as well.
huju – I agree that the mask works both ways. I know I read somewhere (don’t know the validity tho) that antibodies start appearing after two weeks. Coupled with the study that people are only contagious for the first 11 days (I think that one was the CDC) it would seem that the presence of antibodies comes when they are no longer shedding the virus.
Nom- ” Originally the CDC stated that face masks will not prevent you from getting coronavirus. That is still true.”
It is actually not true. Dr. Fauci admit straight up (I didn’t read it, I saw it) that they told people that because they were afraid that there would end up being a shortage of masks for the health care providers.Abba – why would this NOVEL coronavirus scenario have any bearings on other diseases? Different diseases have different levels of immunity. That is why you can catch some diseases only once or twice, and others repeatedly. When I had salmonella I was told I would be immune for 5 years. The claim of the anti vaxxers gets no validity from this case.
GH – I definitely agree with you here
Sorry you had to dig so deep to get info. Not sure why that doesn’t raise an eyebrow.
Do you know how much typing i had to do to find out which states were spiking?
You may want to try real life conversations with doctors, you may be surprised what they have to say.The reliable sources do say it. The doctors and some medical articles will say that they have no recorded cases of someone getting infected twice. The media will not report it because it doesn’t align with the fear mongering they are using to keep you home. Same reason that they are reporting lots of new “cases” but stopped reporting new hospitalizations or deaths because those numbers aren’t quite scary enough.
Reb E – I think we’ve been thru this several times before. Do you not want to hear that you are mistaken or is it just hard to have one less thing to complain about?
This comment was made in the context of the NUMBER OF CASES INCREASING. See, if people aren’t getting sick enough to go in to hospitals anymore, than the ONLY way to see if the number of cases are increasing is thru testing. Months ago, we didn’t have this much testing but we saw the covid cases were increasing because more and more people were getting admitted to hospitals and dying.Now that that is NOT happening anymore in some areas, the ONLY wasy to see that there are more cases is thru TESTING RESULTS. SO… if there wasn’t any testing going on, we would not be seeing more cases.
Feel free to pretend I didn’t say this, or that he didn’t say that, ignore the press conferences that actually give over CONTEXT. It’s a free world, but it ain’t reality.
YY- what could be risky if you have antibodies? You can’t give covid or get covid, what is the problem then?
“But there’s no way he’s going to wear a mask, and it’s unlikely that many of his followers will.”
Is there no end to these dumb comments?
Yes, it is unlikely . Just like thousands of the PROTESTERS and LOOTERS who FILLED street after street in cities all over the map spraying germ filled saliva into the air we breathe in the roads we live and work.
But go ahead, shake your head with your eyes downcast and the most serious face you can muster and say, “tsk tsk, with all the effort we liberals have put in to keeping six feet apart and staying germ free, how unfortunate that the closed in arena will be filled with maskless peopl”
I would say hypocrits but perhaps fools is a better fit.Hey, if it worked im in
Ha ha. So it’s either spinning reality, or making up your own. At least the spinners aren’t in denial.
Jackk- verry entertaining, very substantive. If you wait til all the resignations are done there may be an openning for you in leftist media
GH- i just saw no connection between the 2 halves.
I am not a germaphobe, but i do take illness seriously. I was very careful while my family was sick and did not take a cavalier attitude toward the dangers. Having laid that premise out – i cannot understand your continued perception of danger. I have a handful of friends like you and it’s a head scratcher to me (with the exception of high risk individuals).Additionally, even *if* there was even a small risk still remaining for these children, instead of it being a risk vs safety issue, it has very seriously become a physical risk vs emotional risk issue (i don’t mean being with family, i mean being deprived of socialization).
My neighbor died in late march. His son (who frequently appears on the news page) is very close with my son and the need for these children especially, to be with a group of friends instead of staring at the 4 walls of their glaringly empty house is imperative. The yisomim need out, and their friends need to be out with them. I don’t know if I can consider their mental health less critical than the neighbor next door.
Huh?
You lost meHuju- that is an excellent point. Any information i have on this topic was information i requested or picked up during conversations with african american coworkers or clients. I would have no reason to believe many others here have not had the same opportunity. I
Try this, “I’m sorry for trying to bully a poster for having a different opinion”
Woah, do you really nit get it?!
Nobody said to continue responding to health. We said it is WRONG for you to ASK OTHER POSTERS to IGNORE him.How is this not clear?
No- not sure what you are responding to. I told him that asking the posters to join him in ignoring someone is wrong.
He responds by telling me why he wants to ignore him.
I repeat: asking posters to join you in ignoring someone is a bullying tactic. It’s wrong.
“When someone is simply repeating the same dumb idea over and over without even bothering to listen to logic, then it is time to end the debate”
Right. Which is not the same as rallying everyone to actively ignore him as well. That’s plain disgusting.
So, you don’t like his extremism so it’s okay to ask everyone here to ignore him? I’ve been bothered by most of your posts on this topic and don’t feel it’s my place to rally a silent protest against you. Is this to bully hom onto silence? Is this a just what happens when you empathize so much with a group that you pick up on their negative behaviors as well?
2cents- Your first post (which was supposed to be your second post?) was EXACTLY what I keep trying to say. And I don’t know how anyone can even argue the point unless they just think it’s an obligation to over victimize the victims to maintain the image of not being racists.
Nobody said purposely put themselves in. It’s about pulling out or letting others pull you out.
What did the video accomplish? Did you forget that you said/alluded to the idea that if a Jew was victimized maybe we would behave the same way. My response was that one response to such victimization was to create a music video. Not quite the same as smash>ng store windows.
Nobody said purposely put themselves in. It’s about pulling out or letting others pull you out.
What did the video accomplish? Did you forget that you said/alluded to the idea that if a Jew was victimized maybe we would behave the same way.
My response was that one response to such victimization was to create a music video. Not quite the same as smash>ng store windows.
Doing my best- i can’t figure out where you get your information. First point, i have no idea what city you live in but your description in the first half of your post describes how lots of jews live. We may not get targetted for walking on a street but we get targetted for other things, and pretty harshly sometimes.
But your second half… i don’t know. I think you read some articles about blck people but never met any. I worked 8 years in a school district where i was minority of minority. Jewish, straight, religious, voted republican. The “colored people” i worked with were wonderful. I small handful luved the craziness you describe but thevrest went to school, work, have more money to spend than i do (with half my salary) are thoughtful, and ethical. Some dragged themselves up from bad places but many of them had city college degrees, others had masters and doctrates.
I don’t think you are willing to hear anything that doesn’t fit your outlook but mist of these people you are defending are willing to agree with me, not you. There are lots more opportunities out there. And for those who are stuck, there are organizations working hard to offer change.
And guess what, you wantbto know what we would do if the victim was a yid? As if it never has been? When rubashkin was singled out oin a travesty of unjust sentencing due to being jewish, the unity video was produced.Was that supposed to be funny? Cuz it isn’t.
No- drama much?