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Speaking of making things up, your comments on this case are totally irrelevant. Feel free to pontificate about a cops role and efficacy but you seem to have not yet looked into the details of this case.
Gee, considering he hasn’t had the guts to denounce them i think its not so hard to take an educated guess.
Nom- i worry about your ongoing presentation of cynicism as fact.
Thank you. i have reviewed the halachas of shabbos. And I’m not sure how you can pasken based on a vague statement. And oddly enough i was specifically vague to prevent someone from jumping in and declaring everything to be permissible. You are correct that it can be, but sometimes its not.
It may be a common practice for some to declare everything a necessity so they can make it permissable for carry but many people are inaware that it’s even an issue, and some things just aren’t okay. One mom told her child to collect acorns for her school project since there were so many available on the way home from shul.
You could just say you made it up
Yaapchik – so people can’t ask without being insulted? He asked respectfully, if you have an answer, give one.
Charlie – people who have not learned the halachos well are not always aware of what can and can’t be carried. It’s not a free pass. People will bring things from ace to place that are not shabbos related, and ball games on grassy fields (in sports clothes) is a spiritual probl eff m at best. There were people carrying muktza in the stroller figuring it was okay if they don’t touch it. It’s not so simple of an issue.
Coffee- have no fear, i never voiced it as a suggestion, just a gripe. And you are right, i wouldn’t sacrafice elderly but in this shul people used canes on shabbos so it never ocurred to me.
Side point, the eruv went up only two decades ago and not everyone holds of it (we don’t use it). My complaints are dated from then, i have not been to shul in over 20 years. And while i wouldn’t sacrafice elders for more lobby space, i do see a lot of people relying on the eruv for things not permissable. It is the desecration of shabbos that really drives me away from eruvs, as many/most are not well versed in the halachos. The stroller thing is just an annoying side point.
Having said that, how many women go to shul in the ultra-orthodox community?
Um… well… you are kinda putting me on the spot here. I’m kind of an old lady and I’ve said it many times but never at a board meeting. Our shul is very small, the mother’s bring strollers in and fill the whole Lobby and block the doors while the kids usually end up running around and screaming in and out of the main rooms while the moms talk to each other in the hallways. I will not say this happens in any other shul outside of ours but I have never been an advocate for bringing children in unless they will be sitting with their father or in an organized group made for them. The running around slamming doors and yelling is very distracting and unfair. Let them come at the end for some cake and cookies
Obviously not if she was ignored 😊
Rational- you are misrepresenting my response. I have no reason to doubt you, but your unkind general attitude gave me no reason to take it at face value in your first post. Call it the boy who cried wolf in a sense.
Now you go on to explain that thisvreally is the prevailing attitude of some toward shidduchim. I know that, and i don’t participate in it, nor support those who do. But my comment was on the idea that this man went straight to someone’s house with his checkbook. If you said the same exact story but said he sent a shadchan over with the checkbook i wouldn’t have questioned it.
As for your false impression that it is only them who have such heartbreaking flaws in their system or character, no, unfortunately there is much to be repaired on both sides of the isle. And you don’t have to believe that true story either.
They heard all the witnesses to the case, regardless of which floor they testified on. Unless of course you expect some of them may have changed their answers during a second round…again. feel free to argue, but it is a bit more than a chutzpah to call the senate hearings a kangaroo court after the zoo that took place in the house. Proof positive that if they had real charges they would have dealt with them more honestly and with a shred of dignity. Feh. I look forward to the durham report.
Reb E – nice try but they heard plenty witnesses. Hours and hours. I myself did as well.
And the economy, by the way, has already improved and is on the way up. They just don’t want you to know that. Unemployment claims were at there lowest last week. Sorry to disappoint.
I found the right answer!
Gold – 100% cotton
Blue – 80%
Black- 60%
Green- 40%I’m not sure how changing it to malaria makes a difference in our discussion. If people are going to decide that their view of reality is the one that’s right, and everyone else is misinformed, then nothing can change.
Nom-
2 points.
1. I don’t think you understood any of my post.
2. I don’t think i agree with any of your response.Nom- nobody said a health risk depends on human perspective. We were only sheltered in place because of the government declarations based on their consultation with experts. Once those officials and experts start to make leniencies at will, it becomes evident that the danger is not real. The danger of covid is real, but if it truly was dangerous to leave the house, if life truly depended on it, there would not have been so many feeble exceptions.
In the next breath you go on to state the risk is real etc etc. Says who? You often speak so unequivocally here but these are your opinions, based on your readings and experiences. Not everyone agrees with you at this point in time. Maybe i do, or maybe not, but it won’t be because you decided to state it as fact.
We’ve had epidemics before. But none like this. I chose to follow the guidelines of those with the first hand knowledge to know whats right. Until they made clear it was optional.
It is indeed hard to talk to the fearful, faithful, and well educated.
You are quite obviously not local.
Thank you! I have tried to make that point. It falls on deaf ears. And you said it so much better and clearer than I could.
I tried explaining this to a relative who was complaining about people who will pass her too closely on a sidewalk or in a supermarket. I told her that from my personal experiences we took this very very seriously until the mayors said nothing about the protest. I said if it was legitimately a health risk they wouldn’t be allowing it for any reason. Her response was, but it’s a right to protest. I told her that’s a dumb response, if a fireman approaches a burning building and you tell him that you don’t want to move out of the way because you are amidst a protest he’ll tell you to jump in the lake because it’s really a health risk. When something is legitimate there are no exceptions. When you start making exceptions you’ve made it clear that it’s not a legitimate health risk.
What sheer garbage. People in shul without masks are not killing anyone in texas. go blame the morons protesting for your sick party spitting germs in peoples faces, or people who wear masks but don’t wash their hands, or people who let their kids touxh things at walmart, target and jewel, or people who ride the subway after other people who ride the subway.
You have no idea if every one in that minyan is recovered. Badmouthing jews seems to be some peoples go to these days. From people who are educated enough to know better.Forshayer- i don’t disagree with you. I also think the yelling (that i didn’t know existed til these threads) needs to stop. But if you are saying people are wearing masks to make other jews happy, then is it not really a health concern? And if it’s just to make you happy, how far does that have to go? Why can’t there be maskless minyanim for people who have recovered, mask minyanim, and backyard ones?
Jacob lev- better they should vote for cuomo for killing many of them?
Quay- you asked me to source the 2%, i said it wasn’t my statement.
Now you are thinking those two statements are contradictory? The lock down was to flatten the curve so people could come in a few weeks/month apart instead of filling the hallways. These weeks would be valuabke in learning anything we can for the april patient that we didn’t know for the march patient. Such as the extent of the contagion. And in may they knew more about lower vent pressure etc.
Nobody said waiting to come out of lockdown for vaccines or cures (besides you) as that would be 18 months or more. People were expected to pass this around and people were expected to die, but the hope was that they wouldn’t die from ppe shortage or on gurneys in the hallways.
Quay- no, sorry. I am not able to source you someone else’s quote.
GH – are you really predicting death ch”v on everyone who decides to daven indoors? Have you no boundaries? Did you ever consider that this pandemic may have left you with ptsd that requires professional help? The death rate is not 50:75. Please get yourself a reality check.
Are you thinking thst was a response to my post? The one where the POST OFFICE says it cannot get the ballots deliveted in time to be counted. (Not trump, post office)
Again, silliness. Is it intentional? You keep pretending that this virus is self contained. If you want to put your guests lives at risk, by all means let them know the risks. But what part of you thinks a sinking boat, mishabetach and birkas hagomel are contagious? If you decide to put traif meat in your dishes that’s your choice. If you cook traif meat in your caterers dishes you are involving others against their will.
If a shul decides to have a grouo of people with both immunity and no regard for others in a maskless minyan, let them. But please make sure they sleep and eat thete so the rest of the community does not have to suffer from their negligence. Why is it so hard to understand the difference?
The post office made a statement that they cannot process that many ballots in time. And it’s not about washington. If you think anti trumpers can’t find an easy way to interfere if they so chose than you are very naive.
Quay- i said no such thing. And nobody else was informed enough to do so either. The plan given was to flatten the curve so sick people can be pouring in in smaller shifts, and that we can have more time to know what we are battling. Nobody was stupid enough to claim we were holding off til a vaccine or cure. That’s nonsense. Nobody said we wouldn’t have crazy numbers of deaths, they just wanted them coming in more slowly.
There are many reasons. And many who have valid reasons. Your lack of understanding doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Sorry.
Is everyone half asleep? They insist that Trump is making up the possibility of mail fraud but the post office themselves said they won’t be able to get the ballots in on time. Hellllloooooo
And then we use dumb absentee voting statistics in random no name elections as data based
proof that there won’t be mail fraud even tjough there are people who would murder people, and an FBI office gone rogue to keep trump out of office. You think domeone with big pockets wouldnt offer mail carriers a grand a ballot that somehow ends up in a bbq pit? Are you guys asleep at the wheel?Not so. In the begining it was stated very clearly thst we cannot prevent exposure and deaths, the plan was to slow it down to keep the system from getting overwhelmed and buy time for more knowledge on how to treat it. She is correct.
If i wanted to, i could plant a sick rumor that everyone hiding in their houses is just looking for excuses not to go to shul. But i don’t. Because i respect people to be doing what halachavrequires of them based on their PERSONAL situation. You will have to stop deciding that anyone who isn’t wearing a mask is a low life. I did my time and only wear a mask to stop people like you from freaking out. I was advised by my medical professionals that i won’t get sick again or spread it. How long do you need me to do this as a favor to you? Why can’t you trust me if you see me without a madk? And what about all the people in my shoes who are stuck with no life because they can’t tolerate the mask but don’t want to be vilified by the people who think like you do?
“Its amazing that some yidden have devolved to the same political swamp where going w/o a mask is their expression of contempt for those whose are more vulnerable and risk averse than themselves.”
They haven’t. And your need to give an impression of such a reality is shameful
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How are you, where are you, how’s life, how’s the laundry going???Per google – black (chassidish) green (everyday) gold (easy care). That’s just descriptors given so don’t take my word for it…
You said show respect. And the rest of your post is somewhat infantile. We are talking about spreading a disease. Don’t distract by pretending making a mishaberach is the same as walking into a crowd while carrying a virus. Please.
If you want to mind your own business and ask others to as well, then stick to a situation that isn’t airborbe. Are you also the guy who drills the hole under his seat on the boat and tells everyone to mind their own business then too?
Davening indoors without a mask doesn’t warrant “respect”. Refraining from judgement or criticism perhaps, as i stated above, but honestly it depends on why they are doing it. If they just don’t care or don’t believe they can infect people there is nothing to respect. If they comprised a minyan of people who have antibodies or were already sick and have all agreed to stay home if they feel sick and be honest if they become exposed, then that is something else.
I don’t think you are a daas yochid at all. I also don’t think those who already recovered should be deprived of a regular minyan. I think people need to take serious responsibility for their situations and not assume everyone without a mask is a careless rodef.
Nom – if a patient is tested 9 times and counted as 9 people, is that not a fabriction of patients on some level?
As for the rest of your post, most of it is misinformation. Or specific to some places. But ive spoken to people in the field in different cities in real life who say differently
almost everyone around me cancelled their travel plans so I really can’t help you.
““Again, judging only by Trump’s own statements/history, not her input”
Fixed that for you.”
wow, how very enlightening. So if the rest of your info comes from changing other people’s own words to be whatever you’d like it to be to fit your narrative then I guess I should be questioning a lot more of what you post here.
no matter how much anyone hates trump, the idea that they could vote in someone who obviously – based on his own failing cognition and political statements with NO needed imput from trump- is not capable of holding his own AND the leftist views of Kamala Harris and dishonesty – again, judging only by her own statements/history, not trump input – is scary.
If anything besides the above is required to bring a win for trump than hate really has blinded so many people. It isn’t like voting a shady character in, where there is always room to “say it aint so”. These are two sick individuals, one cognitively and one politically/personally. For people to be willing to go that route just to lose trump implies some serious character flaws or blindedness that is not usually apparent in these same posters/people on other topics or in the past. I think it’s frightening, and I wonder what affect it will have in the long run on other aspects of their judgement outside of politics. It almost looks like a PTSD (no, I’m not trying to be funny)
If Biden himself, and Kamala herself aren’t enough of a “surprise” to change your vote away from them, then I don’t think there is anything out there that could.
ya know Charlie, there are some statements that can be argued and some some are just opinions, but she actually DID say that and now she DID agree to run with him. Which part is Trumpie lying? and if I heard it from her own mouth as well, what does trump have to do with it? And pleeeeease, I beg of you to just respond to the question, not everything about the election that is bothering you.
“Dear Quay,
Saying that there was, is, or will continue to be, a pandemic is upsetting to some posters. I have no idea why, but they insist that those who analyze it openly are terrified of coronavirus or lying.”
another crazy statement. I understand that I could never compete with you on depth of information and breadth of topics, but the way you present everything so thoroughly and as plain facts (through word choice, since that was your next question I think) gives the false impression that your conclusions are also fact. I tried to respond once or twice but it’s impossible because it isn’t just a comment or sentence, it’s an upteich. Having all the facts in the world still does not guarantee a solid conclusion. And I don’t, don’t , don’t mean you are wrong because you disagree with me, or conclude differently. I think that in many subjects there are several rights and wrongs, but that statement is just a small example.
nom – ““Hospitals inflated the numbers to get funding.”
How does this work? Are they getting money for treatment that is not being provided? Are they creating fictitious patients?”
it’s not real complicated.Paperwork at hospital asks, “did the patient test positive for covid?” If yes, reimbursement was dramatically higher. I speak first hand, many many patients with covid did not die from covid but were reimbursed for covid. Some were dying already, some recovered from their covid, some looked they probably had covid, some had covid symptoms, etc.
And if they had been vented, even higher reimbursement.Quay- no joke, i was just gonna ask you the same questions! Right after i ask charlie if nancy polosi ghost writes his posts.
oh Coffee addict, thank you! I have been getting all worked up from this thread, wanting to respond to some of the posts but knowing it doesn’t pay. Some of the comments are so beyond rational that you realize there is just nothing to say in response. And then you did it. You said all there is to say.
Hi rational – not true at all. When a fact doesn’t fit my world view i question the fact and the world view. But when a “fact” given over by an anonymous source who is not usually kind to the chareidi lifestyle, is highly farfetched AND doesn’t fit at all into any of my personal experience, i have trouble believing it happened.
Having said thst, if you insist it happened, i have no reason to say it didn’t. But i have no reason to believe (based on direct experiences) that it’s any more than an odd isolated incident, or that there’s a major backstory that got omitted.