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They learned whatever chumros the basis Yaakov and yeshiva system deemed worthy, as they are still attending. You chose to avoid that even if it means your child learns updated versions of the 10 commandments etc. That was your preference, not sure why you try turning the question back at me.
At least they aren’t learning any chumros
“According to my shita,”
Nuff said
Once again, you cut off a sentence in the middle and pretend it says something else.
One more time now:
You: My suggestion is for someone to work a little to earn for modest living.”I responded that someone who actually understands the value of torah would have no reason to follow the “suggestion” of someone such as yourself who prioritizes money and secular education over torah.
You chose to respond as if I said only full time learners have value.
What I said was that torah needs to be valued over money and secular education. Until you do that, you have no business offering “suggestions”.
If you are really just concerned about your torah and the klal as you mentioned, do something about your poor girls who are victims of criminal negligence, learning what priorities?
wow, you guys are unbelievable. A new poster shows up and talks about rejection and you feel a need to insult him because his writing is poor. Or maybe you just feel some entitlement. For gosh sakes, it’s elul. And so what if it wasn’t. Honestly, I would rather struggle through a post about someone trying to find chizuk than read all your pompous well written posts making him feel like two cents.
no, that was Kamala who was here
“My suggestion is for someone to work a little to earn for modest living.”
When anyone who actually understands the value of Torah learning knows that doing it full time, for however long, is a privilege, why should they follow a suggestion of someone who worships money and secularism just to keep him happy?
Major head scratcher
How can she sleep? Cuz she doesn’t exist! Did you notice that he gives absolutely no information even when asked (twice, I think). He makes some vague general statement, and then asks for bizarre advice. And everyone starts offering advice without having any information at all.
Now being dan lkaf zchus, I wouldn’t assume half the people offering advise believe it’s a real post, and I think we are just so kind and caring here in the CR that we are willing to offer help in anyway we can… even if we haven’t heard what the problem really is and his request is ridiculous. Mi k’amcha yisroel!!I bought myself a tablet this summer to use instead of my computer as well. I buy myself cheap slow smart phones that are too annoying to use for much to keep my own use limited but I often need to book flights and deal with lots and lots of emails and documents. I find that the tablet is much less distracting and the lack of wifi adds a layer of uselessness for me. I have been able to go weeks without using my computer and the lack of games makes it worthless to anyone else who might want it.
correction – thank you for the compliment.
regarding your next comment, that’s really uncalled for. If you knew the boys it would have qualified as lashon hora (also a problematic and easy to trespass lav). Im not even sure it isn’t lashon hora in this context. It is permissable to be michazek people when they grow even if they still aren’t where you have decided they should be.
thank you
@get ur device tagged, I am impressed, you joined just to say this statement
I’m both impressed and super grateful. I know that both Amil and GH are of and age and mindset were they do not need people commenting on their tablet use but it does jar me a bit to see a conversation about movie watching/accessibility across the board as if it is just a given.
Just pointing out that my strong opposition of screens came primarily from a place of cognitive development before it was even a religious issue.
We said no to screens to our kids during the early childhood years because once you start giving in “just for long car rides” it quickly becomes “just for car rides” and “just on Fridays when I’m desperate”, “just when I really don’t have energy” and eventually “just when they scream and yell loud enough that I can’t listen anymore”. I found NO to be an easier answer to this than ongoing battles.
Having said that – as a pediatric OT I (and colleagues) saw glimmers of potential developmental damage way back in the 90’s and it has all been realized. There are so many issues (from development of hand function to deficits in ability to process time and space) that I can’t help but mention it even tho I know it’s not gonna make too much of a difference right now.
There is also the addictive component, much stronger for kids who have and reading or attention issues who find the tablet to be a less effortful place to be.
Those issues are all besides the content, bitul zman and tznius issues that most of you have already heard and know.
there must be more to the story because I can’t fathom why it would be any of your wife’s business
I don’t really care what your halachik questions are, I am asking you to stop making derogatory, condescending and usually false comments about kollel people and their funding.
Just stop.
You have no idea how their finances work, you barely know how government benefits work. Your years of posts make it obvious that nothing is more important to you than money and secular knowledge, even at the expense of learning, religious adherence, and mesorah. Go find a less offensive bone to chew on.close the shades
So you just keep on and on about the rules of taking tzedaka from the public, the consequences of taking tzedaka from the public, what exactly is the public. Still totally avoiding the fact that nobody has deemed benefits to be tzedaka.
And the gaslighting continues…
” not feel like a failure because they work.”
Ah, finally a possible source for the animosity
But why is it your business? And why do you need to attack them every time you can find an opportunity? You don’t seem to worry about the purity of your heros who push college and higher education? How pure was your motive to yank your kids into truancy for threatening to become more observant? There has to be some reason you chose to smear these people who you seem to know so little about, there must be a reason. Sinas chinam?
You seem to have omitted the second half of the sentence which was the actual point.
There is nothing to analyze, stop avoiding your errors with diversions.Above: you confirm benefits are not tzedaka, and then pretend they are.
Do you bother attending to your own points?
You posted two megilas explaining that govt money is NOT tzedaka and your NEXT statement is about kollel people not in compliance to the halacha based on taking tzedaka.
Do you hear yourself?
Before you get more tangled up in the semantics and varying opinions let’s knock it down to the bottom line:
Why do you have such animosity toward full time learners? How did your view on the value of Torah become so low?
When you can figure that out, and explain it, all your diversionary talk may fall away.
You just gave a long response on whether or not we can lie on got paperwork which has ZERO relevance to our conversation.
Try again?
Are you kidding? I asked you what your sources were that benefits are tzedaka. If you are going to give it a halachik status you need to back it up.
I am asking for sources – how do they see this issue. Maybe I missed them before.
AAQ – You dreamed up the idea that government benefits is tzedaka so YOU are the one who needs sources. Do you need to provide me with sources that you are not guilty of neglect regarding your kid’s education or do I need to provide you with sources that it even qualifies?
You jumped on this tzedaka label and use it to vilify people you don’t like. You are the one who needs to drum up sources for it qualifying as tzedaka, AND THEN you can worry about ways to bad mouth them for how they use it.
Meanwhile, stop hating on people for things you hardly know about.
Coffee – be prepared. You are soon to be told that he never said it, it’s good that he said it, and that you are just in denial of something having to do with trump that makes them not care what horrible things he calls you.
” It’s not my derech but did you ever ask one of the YU Roshei Yeshivas personally what they think about it or do you just repeat whatever you read in mishpacha or hear in your shul coffee room”
excellent question. I often ask it here as well on many of the different topics.
Side point, I actually did speak to Rabbi Ahron Soloveitchik zt”l ‘s son Reb Moshe about this and about his father’s response.(nobody brought those to the contrary so far, I’d love to see those),
are you talking about arguing your claim that one should not accept tzedaka? If so it has been argued repeatedly that no halachik authority deems benefits as tzedaka. You yourself are gaslighting with this claim, you falsely refer to benefits as tzedaka, and use that to accuse people of accepting tzedaka. That is the definition of gaslighting. The odd part is that you seem to be falling for it yourself. I guess when you are so bias against of a group of people you can even fool yourself to further your bias.
” Average family GPA is above 4.0, so B’H, they are not in total neglect. ”
children who are starving and beaten can also get 4.0. What is your point? That high levels of education is the goal and not religious health or social well being? And how do you teach your children to be honest and upstanding while committing the crime of truancy and child neglect? Just wondering of course.
“The one that I used, in a conservative state years ago, required one to search for a job, provided me with classes in resume-writing.”
false. nobody is required to search for a job to get food stamps or low income benefits. What you are talking about is unemployment benefits, which is not in any way relevant here.
“Hopefully, in ten years, there will be enough workers to support all slackers, but meanwhile we can have 10 years of learning for everyone.”
you call learners slackers. better slackers than truant parents guilty of child neglect, no?
You have been obssessed about others taking and spending. You can’t let go of it and it is really creepy. If it isn’t hate based, then explain it already.
Your rationalization is that the halacha is that you cannot accept charity, but you are the only one who has deemed it charity. The government doesn’t and the administrators who run the welfare offices don’t. So you made up a “fact” in order to crucify a group according to the laws around it. So let me try taking a page out of your book and do the same. I know you have claimed you homeschool, which of course is truancy and neglect. As far as I know being a criminal is kneged Torah as is child neglect. How do you justify deliberate child neglect and criminal behavior regarding your children?
And to further my point, any time someone mentions school, I may bring up the fact that there are people who homeschool despite it being a crime and negligent. If I say it enough maybe it can be true.“It did not occur to me to continue telling the office that I can’t find a job.”
why bring this up? Are you now insinuating that someone else did do that? Is that just more motzei shem rah?
Sorry Zushy, that wasn’t for you.
I’m not disturbed about wanting to hold kids accountable outside school, but I knew you would assume that because you don’t even realize what you say.
The words you use to describe/reference the neshamos you have been entrusted with is appalling.
And anyone who can hear a three line anecdote and sum it up as “the kid needed a severe punishment for such a deliberately hurtful thing to do” should not be given a classroom. Any teacher who understands the value of their job would first and foremost suggest a limud zchus for this boy or minimally verify that he even knew what he was saying . Anything less is inexcusable.This has got to be the most disturbing posts you have ever written. You have no business teaching.
I have met many people who obsess over the maticulousness of their spending that it should be kosher, some to the point of possible clinical levels. You sir, are the only one who does so to those levels in regard to other people’s spending.
“it’s a tircha, as AAQ said.”
Avirah’s response to why it’s hard for him to capitolize the names of gedolim and talmidei chochomim. Did anyone else catch the irony in that response 🙂
As someone who often doesn’t even bother using capitol lettters to start my sentences (depending on my phone), I have to say that someone who has made it their personal goal to speak out against people who are lax in their respect of/adherence to gedolim and talmidei chochomim it doesn’t shtim that overextending yourself to capitolize their name is a tircha.
You haven’t given a halachik source yet for others to provide a better one.
As usual you are overly obssessed with other people’s finances, specifically the learners. It is such an inspiration to see someone who feels so strongly about how other people spend their money that he is even willing to forfeit his religious observance for it! bravo!
It’s also not talking
The kosher phones have lousy service. My kids switched to verizon and it was much better. Presently wing tel which is just a renter on some other service. I can hear them more clearly and there are few dropped calls.
The entirety of my comment was that we are willing to admit when trump does things wrong, dems pretend nothing happened. NONE of that is related to what you ranted about. Zip and zero.
More of the “I never said that even tho it’s right there in print”. Sounds familiar….well that was a pretty odd response. You took a quote of mine but nothing you said had anything to do with me or what I said. Or what I have ever said. I have never made deep state comments and nothing I ever said was about equating anything with anything. or supporting trump or defending trump. If you actually read the conversation you would see how silly your comment is because my point is that I DON’T defend trump.
That’s the problem with jumping in to a conversation you weren’t a part of and then just giving over one of many anti trump or anti trump voter or anti anyone who says something anti democrat speeches.
Im sure there are plenty of posts here worth responding to but at least make sure you know what the person said/says before you start your soapbox comments.
“Much of what you accuse left-wing politicians of is also true of Trump.”
Yes, but we’re willing to admit it. When democrats do something you pretend it never happened
I disagree, I think you would be missed. I know I was wondering where/how you were way back when you took a break.
“he did what i said he did”
No, he did not. Which is what you are not willing to accept because you refuse to doubt yourself. I don’t really care what beliefs you have until you are making false claims about someone who is much greater in learning and especially when what you are saying is based on something he never said.“Even if it’s a small part of his methods, how am i not justified in saying that that particular method is not mesorah-based and i believe it to be an error?”
Because you never have the anivus to actually say that!!. Besides being incorrect, you have never lowered your self to say those words. You repeatedly say ‘he erred’ an anav or baal middos says, “if I am understanding correctly, I believe it to be an error”. We have done this many times and you have always been incapable or unwilling to display this anivus. That should worry you. That is a dreadful character trait. If it is not just an online persona and it really is yours than you should be alerted and alarmed.
that’s Rabbi Twerski’s haggadah. Absolutely one of my favorites.
“Why go to something designed for mentally ill individuals??”
This statement alone proves you are spewing nonsense on a topic you don’t understand, claiming a talmid chochom erred because you think you have enough understanding of his words to comment, when all you read is a small book.
Seriously, if not having a clue about something is not enough to get you to stop commenting on it, what will? For most healthy people, ignorance is a deterrent to acting like an authority. I don’t understand why you always insist on pushing forward in the face of being told you are wrong. Perhaps a few good self help books would be useful after all. And honestly, I have just the author to recommend.
$5.19 for a month
It is an absolute wonder that you can admit that you read a small book and think you have enough knowledge and smarts to call out the author who is known to be extremely learned. But to keep going when people who actually have read his books and know the subject are telling you you didn’t chap a single iota…it’s a madrigal of gaava. Or lack of self awareness?
And now you keep pounding away to the point where you aren’t just making yourself look foolish, but are simultaneously offensive.Avira, you have no clue what you are talking about. Should I read your posts quoting rav Miller tzl and start pointing out mistakes I see in his approach? No. Because it would be dumb to judge someone bigger than me ESPECIALLY if I didn’t study his works!
Humility. Try it.
Her own big lie, if you will
“Who would have thought before 2016 that an American Political Party would throw people out who hold the President to follow the laws of the country ?”
That’s her spin, it’s not why she lost
Again , I don’t believe that you are correctly understanding the childish you are criticizing. I don’t believe that what you are calling an error was ever what he said. And you are absolutely unqualified to call him out on it anyway. At best you could say that you have heard rav x disagrees or that ‘if you understand correctly than you disagree’.. you are not in a position to judge him in your own right. Humility is also a midda.
Shush!! You’re ruining their narrative!