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“Come to think of it, what valid rationale was there to ease restrictions? Because people got tired of them?”
No, there were actual reasons but everyone is so sure that their comfort level is the right one that they consider everyone else either lax or machmir (sounds familiar, no?)
I thank yoy for your respectful tone and i have a question that i mean respectfully as well.
Way back in the beginning the plan was to have lockdown to flatten the curve and hopefully postpone much of the illness until there was more understanding and treatment. The reacurrance were expected and part of the plan. It never occurred to me it would be otherwise as it was said clearly in early spring. Do you think people forgot this, didn’t hear it originally, or do we humans just tend to fall into a pattern of blame and divisiveness whenever Hashem is wishing we would unite and look His way? I think the latter but im curious what you think.
I have been pretty strong in believing people are entitled to have their different opinions on this matter but i am going on record this erev yom kipper saying your post is wrong, it is awful, it is divisive, insidiary and a disgusting statement to make about other yidden.
You and everyone around you need to stop holding yourself as the right one thereby judging everyone around you as wrong. And to add intent or reason? Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
Because there is no such thing as pandemic deniers. Its a term you made up to paint certain people a certain way according to the picture you want people to have.
“The odds of reinfection are almost the same as the odds of infection. Then the body will produce antibodies which would neutralize every infected cell. If some infected cells are not neutralized, they will reproduce ant the person is contagious. In the rare event that thousands of cells are infected, the patient will develop severe symptoms.”
Where do you come up with these things?!
Is it clearer? It might be more honest, isn’t that important to you? I mean i would guess it is still lashon hora but on considerably less people. So that’s your silver lining.
GH – again you forgot to add the part about these rallies being the only place and time within the entirety of the United States where people are without masks. Because you know people there were told they must go maskless, and all non trump rallies are just teeming with 100% masked and distant people.
“The near-complete disregard for taking precautions that I personally witness in the Haredi community ”
Ahh, my favorite misspeak. If you mean tri state haredi community than please say so. These generalizations are beyond fake news.
Yes, i strongly agree.
Coffee- c’mon, don’t you watch the news? Didnt you notice that in every single news story, every single person is wearing a mask t every single gathering without fail, in every protest, beachfront, park etc except the trump rallies?
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FYI there is anews story on fox news today discussing that masks were said to be useless indoors in crowds but that they enforce it because they need people tho feel like they are doing something.
He is welcome to give direction, your job is to follow, not to join.
Speaking of bad middos, can everyone stop dumping on everyone without a mask? I am so sick of the self righteousness. If you don’t like it, stay away.
I think people who smoke are endangering people so i stay away. I think people who don’t buckle up are dangerous so i stay away. I think people who offer schnapps to kids or drink too much are dangerous so i stay away from them too. And the same for yentas who are dangerous to my spiritual health. Just learn to be responsible, stop judging everyone and grow up!
And regarding trump rallies, unless you’re honest enough to include protestors in the same sentence, drop it.
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Also, at first i thought you were using a teacher voice to be sarcastic but now I’m thinking someone else is using your account.
“Every doctor has been beyond clear on the topic: an infected person with a even a cloth mask on has almost no chance to spread the disease.”
This is false. I have never heard a doctor say that. And i doubt it’s true. The mask is too porous and it would take the addition of handwashing to keep others safe. People with the virus need to isolate.
“I’m glad you wear a mask all the time.”
I’ve been pretty clear that i don’t. Only when mandatory, like inside stores or hotels. Or if asked by a friend who stops by.
“their breath doesn’t go much further than their face and it’s highly unlikely that they will infect anyone.”
I have been told this is not true. Which is why some wear n95. Why we are stuck social distancing even in masks, why they still won’t let us have crowds over 100 indoors etc etc. The misinformation isn’t helpful. These mosholim are relying on the medical ignorance of the public. I don’t believe i need a mask but i still chose not to invite any friends to my kid’s recent wedding.
Mistykins- i very much appreciate your moshel, but streaming water and buckets are very different molecularly than water, breath is different than a stream from a hose etc. So even tho it assists with the concept, it is a fallacy for people to transfer this image to their understanding of covid19. The germs are smaller than the holes on the madk. Which is why i believe people at risk need to keep their distance. And many, many, many hoses have no water eminating from them.
Disclaimer- while i believe the high risk individuals should remain sheltered to stay clear of corona, i also believe the sheltering is proving fatal in other ways. Which is why i am in a quandry on what to do and i believe each person needs to make their own cheshbon. Which includes to stop calling people murders.
Thank you for finally admitting that.
Don’t confuse him with facts
I think people are developing mask derangement syndrome as well.
If you walk around in a mask you are doing very little unless you are also washing your hands well, often and thoroughly, refraining from touching your face and then other things, and not touching your mask when you take it off.The mask mantra people have shot guns aimed at non mask wearers, without knowing if they can even be carriers, but totally disregard a call for the other crucial issues. Why? Perhaps because they enjoy judging and condeming people more than they worry about covid19? Who knows. But i have heard zero mention of the actual precautions from these people which leads me to wonder how much they really care about stopping the spread.
Well at least unintelligent is still a level of function.
And the word you were looking for is inarticulate.
Always good to take a jab at the yeshiva education. You have until sunday night to do tshuva.
Moshe – maybe they don’t. Why assume the worst about people? Also, I think alot of people are so focused on the covid 19 virus that they are not giving enough thought to the emotional and psychological damage (I would also add developmental for kids) this is doing. It’s not about covid19 vs health, in so many people they are trying to juggle between covid19 or dysfunction, or breakdown, or depression. Talk to your doctors, get your facts straight, protect yourself and stop jumping to other people’s conclusions.
se2015 – the difference between supermarkets and other places is that it is a place that is difficult for high risk people to avoid and any place that they are not able to easily avoid is a place to practice extra caution. If you know you will be around high risk people, you have an obligation to take as many precautions as possible/needed.
People deciding that anyone without a mask is irresponsible is their problem. I have to say I am tired of wearing masks only so that people don’t have to have a nervous breakdown. I don’t mind wearing one to keep a place germ free, but to wear one because you are hyper sensitive in a way that I have not found backed by science is not fair. I will ALWAYS wear a mask in places where people cannot easily avoid so they can have minimal chance of getting sick. But it is not responsible for them to go to places where they do not need to be if they are guarding their health. It is their responsibility to avoid places where people are gathering. If they are at risk and chose to go to places like that, I am not sure how that is anyone elses responsibility.
I hear what you are saying in regard to people not wearing masks and therefore making other people at risk by making the environment unsafe for them. I am not sure that is true. And I am pretty sure your illustration is off. They are at risk because this virus is unpredictable, not because of me. And if they are at risk, they have no business being inside a shul without proper protection. I liken it to the difference between saying classmates of a child with peanut allergies should not eat peanuts in school. But it is not appropriate to say nobody anywhere should ever eat peanuts in shul in case a person with allergies walks in one day. If you are at risk, it is your job to be careful. And everyone who cross paths with you needs to be careful as well. And that includes every person who enters a store, bank, your building or office. But to say every joe schmo needs to wear masks everywhere is baseless. I don’t mind going an extra mile, but you are wrong to expect people to cater to overinflated standards, and to call them murderers when they don’t.
P.S. Lest it not be clear – I am in complete disagreement with Common Saychels self centered approach.
I know it’s loads of fun to treat every maskless oerson like they are running through the streets spitting germsin people’s bedroom windows but can we drop the drama for just a minute so i can seriously explain something?
Thank youTefusing to wear masks is irresponsible. Going to places where high risk people need to go (supermarkets etc) should be done with a mask.
Having said that, and Please hear me out, many doctors believe that thise with antibodies will most likely not catch or carry the virus. I know YOU may believe we can, but most medical professionals are saying otherwise. If i go somewhere that is NOT essential and i and the others choose not to wear masks i do not believe, BASED ON MEDICAL ADVICE, that i am putting ANYONE at risk.
Why/ how can i say that? Because i would not be there if anyone there was at risk, and i believe people at risk wouldn’t be there. They shouldn’t be ANYWHERE that people are not required to wear masks.
AND – i cannot (i repeat cannot) pass anything i probably don’t have to old or at risk people because if i was going to have ANY contact with such people, i wouldn’t have shown up maskless!!!!
So i understand where you are coming from, but if people who are at risk, AND the people they are in contact with, act responsibly, i (and the thousands like me) will *not* be a source of covid to them, and you will need to stop calling such people murderers.“One reason why Biden will not discuss the unrest, is to be able to offer a fresh start if he takes office”
How do you know that? I don’t think anyone would agree with you on it.
Oh GH, you made my day
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You’re obviously too busy typing to read the posts you’re responding to
Exactly
No clue what you mean but okay.
I am.
zdad – they should be worried about that, they don’t belong there
CS – let’s say I probably gave plasma twice as many times as you have. Short of that, you have only proven my point, not yours.
Nom – why does it surprise me? Firstly because most of those “stories” are baloney if you bother looking into them, secondly, I have been trying not to pull the out of towner card but I have no aquaintences who display this type of behavior so I have no reason to believe it actually happened without a heck of a lot more information And third, why should I accept more stuff you are saying when some of the things you claim that I myself said weren’t as you stated them.
I don’t live in a bunker, we don’t even ask guests in our house to wear masks, and have been happy to host people at our house if *they* feel comfortable. That is not the same as having a two-year-old view of “each for himself”. If you are actually 18 as you sound, great, looking forward to you reaching maturity. If you are older than that, oh well. You seem to be missing some key pieces of what it means to be part of a community.
Moshe- thank you for saying it first! From other CS posts we see as well that that attitude is a running theme. I do have a very hard time understanding how someone who tested positive could go to a simcha. Are you sure it really happened? BH I don’t think I know such a person.
“Whether it bother me or not, was neither the question or the answer. I was just offering some pieces for your puzzle”
Whether it bothers you or not was my *only* question.
So basically your personal answer is no, it does not bother you that the media completely ignores a major event of that calibre, and additionally you would like to present it as everyone elses answer as well as your own. Ok, at least its an answer.
And shana tova to you and yours as well!
Thanks guys for trying to defend the mueller team. My question tho (cuz i really don’t care about the story itself) is how you feel about a story of this caliber being ignored by the media. I don’t want to hear any if the story or details or anything about trump or the mueller report. I am only asking this – this is a major story. The media is ignoring it. Yes or no, don’t you find that problematic?
Without bringing up ANY of the politics around it, , no potential defenses, nothing about the investigation. Just this please, can any of our resident dems please JUST tell me – don’t you find it suspicious/dishonest/problematic that 29 members of muellers team wipe their phones and the media and oublic give them a pass?
I am asking sincerely, no trumpkopf etc responses, just asking you about your feelings. Cuz i don’t understand that piece of this puzzle and i sincerely would like to.
Really?! You believe global warming exists? This place gets more entertaining every day
Jackk – check the phones of the mueller team, i think they were working on it – oh, wait…they accidentally got vanished
Again no shaichus
A doctor cannot pasken that it has the halachik status of sakanas nefashos. I had family members who had chronic illnesses and each fast they would speak to the doctor and then relay the doctors words to the rav for a psak. There were times when the rav spoke to the doctor directly. Every time you bring this up it surprises me.
So what?
Midwesterner – I’m pretty sure that’s not what he said. And i agree. I wouldn’t give a penny of support to someone spending 10 bucks a day on cigarettes. And no, it wouldn’t be me who is depriving them of anything.
“the same way I blame political leaders, the media, and those in the entertainment sector who knew tobacco killed and continued downplaying the risk for over a decade.”
Wow! What an exciting day that GH is willing to rant against something that wasn’t trumps fault. Or is that only because it doesn’t have direct biden ties. Oh well. It was an exciting moment.
You’re still scratching your head over that. Amazing. Why not say “i have no idea why” who exactly do you think you are speaking for?
Yes, when you believe Gd runs the world you actually accept it even when the ship is sinking. Try it, it may allow you to go down on your ulcer medication. And let the old you emerge from the cellar.
Oh GH, I’m so glad you were able to get kiddush club AND trump in one post even though neither were the topic.
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