🍫Syag Lchochma

“We can keep our equal rights sustained, sorry, grandpa. We’ll say the kaddish with no masks, don’t worry”

I have no idea how this connects to me accusing you of looking for things to blame on the frum community. Please enlighten me

And if you missed the point, the numbers are higher in all communities where lots of people are stuffed in small apartments. (It happens to be true in some black and hispanic areas too but is being “overlooked”) You spoke of numbers going up superiorly attributing it to your exemplory rule following, disregarding the reality of demographics.

No clue your attaching it to killing people. Must just be a sick obssession of yours to accuse jews of murder. While those of us without the luxury of square footage have not been able to stop the spread to our kids, how dare you imply we have not kept our elders safe. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I do stand by chazal. But i don’t quote chazal, make extrapolations, and pretend they are still quotes from chazal.

Charlie- does being able to blame chareidim for their troubles give you that extra dose of oneg and simcha this chag? You are so foryunate to know Gds ways with such clarity, perhaps you can help me out with some personal decisions.

Oh, and out of curiosity, how many square feet is your apartment and how many people are living in it?

And how many coughs have you come down with since march? The system has been working for many and testing isn’t always available. My complaint is on the people who don’t inform the people the were in contact with the last two weeks. Doesn’t happen often, but shouldn’t happen at all.

GH- bravo! Waited a long time for that post. You made my day.

I also think you are killing more people by wanting the sick and elderly to go out than i am by advocating that two people with antibodies can visit each other. I would never advocate for something so risky and i don’t think anyone else here should either.

“We have to find ways to keep things open while keeping people from getting i…..”

Wow! Your first straight post on this topic! Good for you!!

“Like you said. It is the ultimate v’havta l’rei’echa kmocha. It has zero benefit for you to wear a mask, but it benefits everyone around you. ”

Yes, he did say that

“The consensus of health professionals is that masks can decrease the spread;
more info is readily available online.”

I know, that is why i answered that i believe he is wrong and medical professionals do not support his claim

A friend of mine suffers from depression periodically. Serious bouts that sometimes render her homebound. She was crying to me recently about how hard it has been for her to function and how she is back on medication because of how isolated she feels not being able to see peoples faces. She said the absence of smiles and facial cues has left her spiralling down. Thankfully I had some good advice from this site and i said to her, “so what? I know of 3 or 4 people who say it makes them happier and that’s what really matters”

There’s nothing fake about that

GH- I’m female, i didnt go to cheder.
But i am really internalizing your special measage. I am printing hundreds of “so what if suicide is on the rise, i don’t want to catch corona”

I am hoping to give some lectures on “tight focus on despair prevents loosening of germs”

“Wear masks at all cost so i can be happy, your mental health is just a side point”

I’m taking orders. And don’t worry, the flicker of hope is fading fast.

GH- you know you finally convinced me. After 3 years of nonsensical hatred i finally got this advice. You are so so right, we SHOULD be scared!

We should live in fear. We should spend our evenings calling old friends and making amends, rewriting our wills jotting notes for eilegies, expecting the worstand treating each moment as our last.

We should live in fear when the mail comes, spray it down and leave it to dry. We should be petrified to step out to buy food, maybe even fear the chessed volunteers who shop for us.

We should worry incessantly about our and our children’s safety, maybe calling them several times a day begging them not to leave their houses.

Only this over focus on death, danger, mortality and counting our minutes will keep us productive and safe, will maintain our sanity and health, and will assure us that we will survive this pandemic. Because hope and positive thinking is evil, insensitive and can only be good for your heart and mental health. But you have no business having such cares about hearts and minds during a pandemic.

Yes. Anxiety and despair! That’s the way to lead a nation to a recovery!

Oh jackk, you are really just too much. I didn’t write a post about trump having no respect, i wrote a post about how honesty and integrity seem to suffer from deep twists and turns when anti trumpers speak.

And me not respecting you? Cute.

Huju – so you’re just willing to give him a pass on targeting jews and their livelihood and neighborhoods cuz you don’t like the way they’re behaving? That’s a bit of a frightening stance.

Knowing how Amil address issues, i assumed this preface Amil – totally sincere question (hard to believe but i really do like to hear rational people’s opinions) was going to elicit her own thoughts. That’s why i specifically asked her and not the general public. I guess i should have been more wordy at the risk of being insulted for it.

Maybe thinking it had little substance prevented you from actually reading it.

Not only did i answer your irrelevent question, i told you i wasn’t curious about the wire i was asking what a biden supporter would say about it. Here’s my exact quote lest you decide to accuse me of changing the question and being frustrated.

“I just was beyond curious to know what someone who sees no wrong in biden will think if they see something odd.”

Ubiq- I asked her because all i wanted was a thoughtful answer, not a megilla on related political topics, no offense.

“I know you dont like googling, and you don’t like changing your mind once it’s made up.”

Not fair and not true. I don’t mind google for information but if i ask someone for their thoughts or opinion (educated or off the cuff) it means i want to hear their thoughts or opinion. Not the hock of the day, political mantra or prepared cut and paste from google. I like hearing real thoughts, learning what drives people and their comments, and understanding things i hear that i never thought of. Which leads to me changing my mind if applicable, opening my options, giving me perspective and i will always, gladly pursue that. I don’t know if you decided i am not flexible because you witnessed me not convinced by unconvincing arguments, or if it’s just a mistaken impression, but i will always seek more opinions on something as long as people are engaged, not spewing, and are listening as well as sharing.

Post 6250 does not start with quay and is the response that i said was directed to Amil.

Ubiq- now you know why i didn’t ask you but rather asked her.

So I’m guessing that was instead of an honest response?

Ubiq! So good to see you without your scrubs!

In response to your injection 😉, i was really bummed by amils response and now yours. I thought i saw something pretty clearly and asked a sincere question. I thought i was getting a personally constructed cognitively based response and now i find out i got a googled answer. Why? Why google when you can look at something and just give me your assessment?

When i asked you covid questions you answered from your heart and brain. You didn’t tell me what google said to respond. Why is it so hard to just strip people down to their personal selves and hear their impressions of something as stupid as this?

And your end with a request to google trump, as if that has any shaichus to my question, just validates everything i just typed.

I miss people. And it ain’t about quarantine.

Thanks for responding. So yes, sometimes a cigar is a cigar, and sometimes it just feels like time to wake up and smell the coffee. I can’t see the item in Joe’s sleeve so although it doesn’t resemble beads, I can’t know it wasn’t. But i did see the wire very clearly. It’s not a shadow, it’s a wire. I think an ‘i don’t know’ might have been more sensical a response than telling me i didn’t see something that i saw.

Would it bother you if it was a wire? Would it be hard to believe he was coached? I guess I’m wishing to hear some biden supporter say, “yes. I was unhappy with x,y,z but i support him anyway”, instead of trying to pretend nothing is ever a cigar.
Sigh
Again, thanks for answering, im always interested in your take on things.

Oh excuse me. Was i supposed to decline all elections until a ben torah runs?

Here’s my take away from the debate that i am sorry i watched and probably won’t watch again.

Biden was wired. Check 8:35 and watch his left cuff over and over. Liars, dishonesty, can’t do anything straight up. Prefer to steal an election than win one, not a bee strategy. I found that to be sicker than the preschool behavior both so called delegates displayed.
I am sure any decent human being voting for biden would agree but will make a point not to, and will point to something trump lied about as if they cancel each other out.

Earplugs in. Don’t have time for these stupidities erev yuntiff.

“I am with you on trying to bring all Jews together, omen. Those who disregard simple medical rules are kind of in the way ”

Maybe read that again and hear how silly that sounds

“What are the reasons?
Maybe if we understand them, we can correct. ”

I have learned the painful way on here that this is not emes. No matter what words come out, nobody wants to understand them. The judgement, though not even deliberated or properly researched was sealed the minute they weren’t “doing it my way”

If someone thinks it’s wrong to go maskless, wear one and advocate. But stop pretending the berating is part of a holy cause.

Always Ask – your post was a gut punch, literally bringing me close to tears. I have been trying so hard to do whatever I can to bridge the divides among us, the black hat vs no hat, the zionist vs anti zionist. I have begged Hashem, people and online posters to be respectful, understanding and kind to each other in any way I was able.

As soon as nOmesorah (I can barely even type out that name) started taking hundreds of individuals and naming them an activist group I literally froze, begging Hashem to please not let this stupidity turn into yet another way to “officially” divide us.

While it is absolutely NO surprise that my words do not hold much weight in Shamayim, the idea that you not only buy in to this horrible notion of a “movement”, but even look to him for legitimacy as if he has any authority to speak out the motivations of these individuals is a huge loss for us.

May people find a way to emulate Hashem in their treatment and language toward and about other yidden.

Hashem should shower brochos, yeshuos and refuos on us this coming year starting now, and we should try our best to live up to deserving it.

G’mar Tov

AJ- thank you, i really appreciate your post. My question was not about lock down or masks tho, i am just trying to get to the core of some of the blame game. Deliberately leaving masks aside, i ferl like many posters are expressing surprise at the new cases as if they thought the virus should have ended with lock down when i clearly remember being told we would absolutely have more and more but hopefully with better therapeutics.