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Oh I am SOO glad GH dragged trump into this conversation. I was almost hopeful we could talk about something else.
I’m not going to reply to any of these pointsbecause it’s pointless. The hate of “the other guy” is so intense that people are more irrational about this than the zionism/anti zionism views. It’s sad and divisive that nobody will allow them selves to admit even to any minor good points someone will make for “the other side”. How this happened, i don’t know. Why, is even more puzzling as neither candidate is worthy of this much of our emotional energy.
I only want to answer to this type of totally out of bounds comment:It is a chillul Hashem of the greatest magnitude. There will be din v’cheshbon one day for this madness.
You are talking about an election. You can denounce anyone you feel deserves it but people opposing abortion and gay marriage is not a chilul Hashem. The only din vcheshbon will be for all the energy we as a klal have put into something as stupid and meaningless as an election that should have gone to more spiritual endeavors.
Slim- forgive my fractured format, cut and paste makes for too long posts.
Yes I know about Biden’s loses, it breaks my heart every time I see his face. And of course it is strength but so irrelevent to this election and this discussion.I agree whole heartedly with your addiction comment!!!!
I think your response to smerel and I is more to him. None of it sounds familiar to my comments. And not sure what the kids would be picking up on, or how listening to news is hypocracy. I do see lots of the people who support liberalism while considering themselves frum are displaying more hypocracy. They may not be supporting a menuval (I don’t support the people, I support their positions) but they are rooting for many issues that are against torah values. That is more of a problem of chinuch than the reverse. And I think you know that.
Of course that is just my opinion, I don’t expect it to change your mind as this has all been spat across all the threads from BOTH sides of the aisle for years now, and not much has changed.
Looking very forward to more important discussions in the near future, Please Gd
Slim- When a lecture turns to spewing it is obvious that it’s about emotions and not facts. Sorry he doesn’t support some of the causes that are important to you, sorry someone so disgusting is the better choice. Hypocrisy sending kids off the derech? Interesting you listed this as a trump issue…
Don’t know if your just spewing rhetoric or asking a question but I’ll take my chances.
Personally I have long exited the roe v wade topic. I see it as a win for what can be brought to the court in the future.Regarding sharia law – i am petrified of it but in other countries where they’re succeeding in imposing it on their ‘districts’ it comes thru filling the area with those who observe it who vote in others who observe it until they have a majority. Right now those congress members are rooting for biden.
“I have an issue with ANY rav who does not reside in the US telling people how to voted regardless if they say Biden or Trump.”
And i respect your right to have that opinion! But it has no bearing on how you talk about, to or reference a rav.
“However, if you are hospitalized, we have lots of ventilators and hopefully, you will be fortunate enough to go to a hospital where you can get lots of ZINC with you HCQ and Regeneron. If some die, it will be for a good cause….getting me reelected. i”
I didn’t think your insane claims could get more disgusting but i was wrong. You really need a reality check.
Well that’s more than a little disrespectful to someone who is more learned, knowledgeable and deserving of respect than you seem to be. Is it an authority problem with you or just overall disrespect issues that seem to keep poking thru your posts.
Based on a conversation with someone in the organization in my community doing testing those were the old percentages and are not true anymore. I tjink he said pcr testing is 95% accurate. I don’t think there are as many innaccuracies anymore. Ask someone who knows what the current numbers are.
GH- you may find this both surprising and horrifying but we have been getting both text and email alerts and messages for years! And simultaneously, phone calls! So I know it means a lot to you that we should up our internet access – based on the frequency of the suggestion, but we may just have to retain our alternative options for now.
Is that a documented occurance that actually happened as you presented it or something that might probably have happened?
“Do you have any evidence for this claim?”
Why would you ask him for evidence to a rebuttal of a claim you made that has no evidence?
“That’s like asking a dentist about a heart attack. You ask people questions in their area of expertise”
Then you obviously have been underestimating the expertise of a rav.
By the way, how was sukkos?
Yes, there is a debate tonight. Six days after his last appearance.
Nice try.
Well, let’s see, they can’t have coronavirus because all dems wear masks and social distance all the time making them immune, so they must just be in hiding. Two weeks before an election. And joe said himself he flipped his lid, or put a lid on it, or whatever, and wouldn’t be appearing in public so you can’t possibly be denying that part. So i guess the only thing left to laugh about is feeling foolish about giving everything he does a pass. Don’t feel bad jackk, we all do foolish things sometimes. Glad i could clear that up.
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I guess that’s a ‘yes’
“Yup Slimshim: Don’t worry, be happy. We have lots of gadolim, so YWN mentioning a few dying from Covid is no big deal. Even less a big deal if the niftar is just a poishete yid.”
Will you just STOP it already?! I can’t deal with this! Stop putting connections that weren’t said! Do you have any idea that maybe some people are overwhelmed with fear, NOT displaying denial? Maybe i want them to stop because i secretly believe people like you read about those gedolim and say, ” Serves him right for being charedi, he couldn’t have been wearing a mask” ch”v.
Feel free to complain about trump’s big mouth, i do it all the time. But how can you be more comforted by candidates who go awol and decide not to make public showings less than 2 weeks before elections. That’s not unsettling or fishy? Really? Do you give everything he does a pass?
If anyone makes a fast day it would be because people who are willing to make degrading and contrived accusations towards frum jews will be in power.
I agree with lila. I’m waiting to hear where GH got all that “inside scoop”. Spies, talebearers? I sure hope you didn’t just make it up and present it as fact.
Decency – beautifully stated. I hope everyone heard you.
GH – Always a pleasure to hear your ivory tower version of life in the shtetl. And i know i can always count on you for a degrading news update on the yeshiva life. Waiting for the day when you can find such commentary on some of “your own” institutions, or preferably, decide to move forward from needing to be the charedi life watch dog.
😒was not picked up by any newsworthy organization due to it being unverifiable and probably a complete lie
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Defending trumps honor? Who cares about his “honor”, some of us are just marveling at how far people can stretch and twist to make even Gds hand come from the white house.
The question was directed to GH for a reason.
And unless you have nevuah, or access to data that hasn’t even been collected your speculations are somewhat meaningless.When i hear her and Charlie cursing out people for daring to go to shul, i just wonder if they are as aggressive and threatening to people outside the pandemic for *not* going to shul. While i agree with the need to protect lives, it should be heavy hearted.
GH – i think 10,000 was a typo. I also wonder if you could answer one question honestly for me, do you become so violently aggressive and hateful when you see people are lax in halacha and Torah laws as well?
I can’t speak for anyone here but “don’t get tested” when i have heard it, meant if you don’t feel good, but its not serious, don’t get tested but do stay home, quarentined, monitor your symptoms, contact people you’ve been with. It doesn’t mean pretend you are fine.
Mdd1 – sorry but that response just shows you are lucky enough not to know anything about the subject. Count your blessings.
Tough question…
I’m thinking A because morality surrounds me and my community and influences us while money is provided by Hashem so He can make up for the shortfall.😁
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Se2015- agreed. It’s all very murky.
“but I am afraid best predictor would be population activity level, especially inside (schools, bars, shuls), and percentage of people wearing masks ”
Was this also a part of the post graduate level statistics or are you allowing yourself to insert opinions too? You are aware I assume that the numbers that make up the statistics include fudging (florida positives) mistepresentation (no testing on weekends presents alleged spikes on tuesdays) and political manipulation (nobody is allowed to ask if you attended a protest).
The science of numbers does require knowledge not possessed by all our pontificators, but don’t be blinded by the letterheads that submit them.
I am in total agreement with you about how wrong his words are. As i just said on a different thread I had never seen irrational postings from him in years of posting but his need to insert some corona-is-cold comment in all his posts since day one is baffling and not worthy of a response.
Regarding everyone getting it and delays… an abridged answer is that this is delayed. It can’t be avoided, it’s been delayed. Delayed from last March when we had no beds or treatment. Is that reason to be careless? Of course not, but my point is that you can’t keep calling everyone uncaring and careless. If they are following their doctors, you can’t keep accusing them of not caring.
Saying it is something everyone will get does NOT mean it’s inevitable so go pass it around (like we did with chicken pox). I agree totally that that is wrong. The comment was referring to the fact that no matter how careful people are, it still creeps in because that is how this virus works and it does not mean someone careless gave it to you. Some people are getting the virus because that’s life, not because of their neighbor, so it’s time to stop pointing fingers. If you haven’t been sick, don’t daven in such a minyan.
I think i have already tried explaining this several times , for instance in the post you responded to, but not effectively. But for what it’s worth…
**i am not anti mask, i am anti the mudslinging **
Se2015 – i agree with you that falsely altering numbers is wrong. I would never give false addresses or advocate for my kids to. There is a problem tho. Just from my first hand knowledge, people who are sick and need to be cleared for work have been solely responsible for 2-5 positives, actually accounting for 1 illness on one person but recorded as 2-5 seperate individuals. Since the health officials are not being careful in thier recording, the numbers are being falsely driven up. If i were to know that we were suffering lockdowns because of it, i might consider helping to drive them back to were they would be more accurate.
Mdd- ignore him. Id never thought him to be a troll but anyone who can deliberate insert “covid is just a cold” into their posts for 6 months may not be worth responding to right now.
If you know people who are positive and go out anyway than they are idiots, but don’t go projectingbthat onto everyone else. I don’t know such people and i doubt they make up any kind of majority.
“No one out there will tell you that social distancing doesn’t work and no one knowledgeable will tell you that masks don’t help to stop the disease from spreading”
There are many medical proffessionals who will tell you that there is nothing we can do to stop this virus from getting around. You can delay it, but you can’t stop it. If you have decided to pretend that is not so, that is your choice, but you can’t deny people the right to follow their own medical advice. Face it, not everyone who does things you don’t like or understand is evil and uncaring. And if you really are surrounded by so many who actually are, than you should consider moving elsewhere.
Do you want to know what *really* is a sign of ahavat yisroel? Not accusing other jews of not caring.
**i am not anti mask, i am anti the mudslinging **
That is not true and not fair. Nobody thinks you don’t matter. If people had a reason to believe that really worked they would do it, no matter how stubborn they talk when you poke them. The problem is that the mayors and governors who made the rules, were all seen breaking them. In new york they made it clear that it’s really about control and not health, so there is no message being passed down that the distancing and masks matter.
The chicago mayor went nuts on lockdown restrictions and then spent weekends in michigan. And the governor and his family went to his other home in Florida If it was really about health, would they do that? .
On top of that is a slew of respected doctors in different communities telling patients and friends that it’s really not going to help anyone but the high risk who should be home. So if one’s doctor, governor and mayor says that, and then the CR posters say really they are murderers or don’t care, is it still okay to continue standing your “my way or the highway” ground or is it time to admit you may be holding overly cautious and *some* of the others may actually be following medical and rabbinical guidelines as well?
**i am not anti mask, i am anti the mudslinging **
Now that we’ve listed his sins as the books are being sealed, does anyone want to volunteer to be next?
Thank you SO, SO much for permission to respond to your ancillary point even tho it’s not done in the fashion you prefer to do things.
“My estimation (which is just that and can easily be disagreed with) is based on the drugs and treatment that they gave him. President Trump was prescribed the steroid dexamethasone. Sean Conley, DO, the president’s physician, said the steroid was given to him in response to his blood oxygen levels dropping twice to 93 percent, according to STAT. Normal pulse oximeter readings usually range from 95 to 100 percent. The steroid is typically recommended for hospitalized patients who need oxygen or are on ventilators. My estimation could be wrong but unless you have a better medical degree than me, your estimation is no better.”
You answer your own question. Per the hospital, because he is overweight and 74 they chose to use the protocol as soon as the numbers dropped even tho they normally wait. Not sure the docs degrees so i don’t know if that works for you but you obviously knew you made it up and stated it anyway, which i find to be more than ancillary. Sorry for not following your lead.
I think trump is a moron, uncouth, a bigmouth and loves trolling the press, which i find infantile. I have stated this repeatedly. Calling you out on drama isn’t to defend trump. Its just cuz that’s what you do with drama.
Oh, im sorry mr de blasio, was everyone else so kind and civil that my posts from last month just jumped out at you?
Side point, I’m not a he.
Side point, GH is definitely not one who needs bodyguarding for quipsRational- no, that isn’t the topic here. And if you truly had a desire to hash out that topic, you could do it in person, with real names, where you are less likely to exaggerate or smear based on personal biases AND it won’t be online for every jerk to google.
“pooh-pooing these video clips, finding teirutzim galore, or worst, denying they are worthy of attention because we just don’t watch or read about Jews doing naughty things”
I get my “news” from individuals who know the news and tell it over with the same careful speech they use in any conversation. I don’t need to hear it or see it from places that add unfortunate embellishments. Is that also passe now? Have we exited the era where we don’t want to suck up every bit of trash from every rag published online? You are old enough to know that times sure have changed.
I don’t hear your question, but i also don’t believe i said the first point.
I said overcrowding contributes, not is the cause of, but it still doesn’t change the fact that that first comment is either taken out of a specific context, or not mine.
“…reporting bad things they’ve done,…”
Lie #1 – that they believed it is all a democratic lie.
Lie #2 and 3 – to help him stay alive. Anybody besides him would be in the hospital now on a respirator.
Talk about lying…
“…on frum or secular sites…”
What clip?
As a rule i won’t click on or read or watch any newstories on frum or secular sites that are badmouthing jews, reporting bad things they’ve done, or bad things they say about each othet. Hearing about it here from you all is usually more than i can stomach.Neithet is the idea that there were only 20 men
“he reporters take the rapid tests with high false negative rates (up to 30 percent).”
An old addage of mine, if you have to fake the stats to make your point you probably know you’re wrong.
“You listed multiple reasons thru several threads why you should not be more cautious”
I listed multiple reasons why you have to stop calling other jews murderers, why you have to stop assuming your personal comfort level is the only correct one, why you have to stop calling out jews for not caring without knowing it’s true. It’s not about masks, it’s the sick tjings you guys call them and the way you are so sure your hypervigilance is the standard.
You want to advocate for masks, ask others to wear them, go ahead. But the disgusting hateful rhetoric that comes along with it is no less dangerous than 100 plagues.