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Yserbius- thank you so much for changing your tone. I hope you see the difference it made.
I’ve kind of grown tired of this treadmill, tho I thankfully don’t feel berated anymore, i just don’t see ever becoming on the same page. For example, take this comment of yours:
My problem right now, is that you keep pushing this cheshbon of mask wearing as a personal choice. That it’s effectiveness is exaggerated and all those people like me who have issues with the anti-mask brigade are wrong.
I DON’T believe it’s personal choice, I think people need to follow their rav/doctor. I DO believe you are exaggerating but i DO NOT think everyone like you is wrong if you are following your rav/doctor. I DO NOT believe there is an anti mask brigade. I believe your conclusions about masks effecicacy, based on your rav/doctor seems to have made YOU think that it gives you the okay to say EVERYONE ELSE is wrong, and not entitled to follow THEIR own rav/doctor.
For me, it’s about how you treat people, not about the mask.I really hope this helps.
I’m more opposed to social media bullies masquerading as do-gooders, attacking large segments of the frum community.
THIS has been exactly my point since june. But asking people to be mentchlich got interpreted as anti mask.
” don’t repeat that to anyone cuz trump facts are all true but biden facts are all conspiracy theories and fox news rumors”
Baruch Hashem there is always a poster to live up to the expectations. It’s amazing how some seem to be so involved with even the most insignificant and personal details of the members of their party. hmmm, almost like you would do for a hero, or god. Even the stuff only carried by the tabloids.
Coffee- not only that but word has it jill biden was still married when his relationship started with her. But don’t repeat that to anyone cuz trump facts are all true but biden facts are all conspiracy theories and fox news rumors (or excuse de jour)
Amen again! Thank you. And thanks for the reminder, i think the black cloud of the pandemic has dulled my ability to see sunshine everywhere. I really feel the difference and see myself feeling defeated more easily/more often. I appreciate the vaccine booster.
Assumedly no expected side effects 😁😁Amen!
Yes, i did. But there were two issues in my life that i had wanted to see if I could somehow word them vaguely enough to ask for a brocha without revealing something to people here who know me. That tupe of headspace was not available yesterday until well after the sun set.Your new york experiences cannot be used to extrapolate what went on anywhere else in the united states. It was highly unique. And regardless, when you are trying to make a science based point to prove something, it is highly unreasonable to just assume anything based on personal experience. There are records and i don’t believe they show millions were critically ill and hospitalized.
The closer you stay to the truth, the more credibility your point will have. Life lesson.
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Did you mean to post that from a different account?I hate myself right now.
I was so tired last night i couldn’t think. And today i was running around. 😖
Please wish us a refuah and yeshua to gantz yisroel and to my family !
And your growing family should bring you yiddishe nachas, even if you don’t speak yiddish, and Hashem should grant all your bakashos l’tovah!!!!
Theprophet – i know i am really going out on a limb here but i will at least admit to doing so.
If it is true that you do not know anyone who has died of covid than you are either not part of the frum community, or you live very far from other jews.
I doubt there is a yid out there who has not experienced loss on a communal level, let alone a friend who suffered a direct loss.
Millions of people in the US alone were severely ill or hospitalized from COVID-19.
I’m pretty sure this is false.
None of it was difficilt to understand. You just won’t answer a question. And it is very offensive how you speak down to posters trying to converse with you, as if you are our kindergarten teacher.
Changing our statements, ignoring our clarifications. It’s very rude. You still won’t explain where you got the validation that you are correct medically, scientifically or halachically.
YOU decided to interpret the rules your way and then decided that every other legitimate source wrong. Don’t you understand that that’s insane? You can’t make up your own guidelines that shtim with NO professionals, and use it as law of the land.
@ubiquitin @charliehall !!
Please, please can you give a respected professionals response, purely from the medical/science angle, to this specific claim please?!And right now if we stay the course, we are going to lose about three hundred thousand Americans a year forever to COVID, and hospitalize millions more
Okay, but then you obviously didn’t vote for biden, so who did you vote for?
I may never understand why they shove that into every conversation as if they believe nobody should have died. The projection was 2 million. The precautions are to slow the spread, not stop it.
No way I’m missing it this year. But i need to sleep on it.
And in case you’re baffled, this:
There is a huge fight going on right now, between those who are worried about the health and well being of the oilom at large, and those who only care for themselves
Is you inserting your opinion, with no consistent backing, as fact. And then wondering why i don’t get it. I don’t get it because it’s a lie. Your claim that people without masks care only about themselves is a lie and since you can’t let go of it, you can’t move forward in a conversation about it.I believe people should wear masks because we don’t know enough. I don’t lie about the motives of those who disagree with me.
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So basically your answer is, ” no. I cannot answer your question. Instead i will insert my own dangerously angled lines of misinformation disguised as plain fact.
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I’m really sorry to hear that. I was just hoping for an answer. All three times i asked.Good shabbos
Charlie- keep your trump opinions to trump. Your generalizations to frum jews is digusting and offensive, whether you care or not. You have stooped to levels in motzei shem ra on huge portions of klal yisroel that i never would have expected from someone of your caliber. You have your liberal government, now MOVE ON!
Yserbius- if you will allow me to ask a sincere question that I have asked before but wasn’t given an answer to. According to your cheshbon, that the mask is only to protect others from you, why do thousands of people who have already had covid, have antibodies, and have bern told by their doctors they cannot get it again need to wear masks as well? Can we look at someone without who is following science without condemning them as uncaring and not complying with science?
Akuperma- i know exactly when the shift happened among those i know. We took the precautions very seriously and tho our community was sparef the extent of the horror felt in new york, we knew there was danger. The day the governors were exposed breaking the rules, i was floored! And five minutes later the spell was broken. If there was really a danger in leaving the house, they never would have done it. And if tjose “in the know” don’t take it seriously then i guess I’ve been scammed. It was that simple. Just like the kid who goes otd when his rebbe is arrested for fraud.
Now i am still careful to stop the spread andand caring of others, but i no longer can be convinced that any of this hype is real.
It’s remarkable to me how the Presidency of DJT has caused so many otherwise rational people to behave in such demonstrably irrational ways, on both sides of the aisle.
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It’s probably too late but I never responded to your post. The short answer is that my kids maga hat and trump mask were to support having trump in office. Making sure my kids voted before leaving town was to keep trump in office. Much of the fanfare I experiences was to keep him in office. And if I would have joined a car parade it would have been for the same reason.
This:
When bein gavra l’gavra, by kiddush and shabbos meals, when our kids are around we sit and say what a king he is and even laugh at his latest insults to others. On and on… b’kum v’aseh
Is not something I ever witnessed, or heard about. If you actually did have that experience, I would say it speaks out alot less about Judaism and alot more about who you have chosen to spend your time with.
Good shabbosCommon- I’m not sure which of his posts you are referring to but what you wrote isn’t such a good answer because you would definitely take precautions in thise situations and he is talking about the precautions. If someone who drives drunk was only a danger to himself it would be on him to not do it, but he puts everyone else at risk. This is more in line with what they are asking of you. To stop seeing it as only your problem, and to be preventative (even tho that is the wrong use of that word)
rightwriter – a facemask is not a muzzle. And spreading comments like that online to suck people into that hype is wrong. If you don’t want to wear a mask, don’t wear one. But to make it out to be something it isn’t to validate your perspective is dishonest. We are in the middle of a pandemic, we need to be careful what information we spread anonymously with nothing to support it.
I “work it out with someone else”. Wondering what is up with that.
honest answer? Because I hear what you are saying and I hear what you aren’t saying and I firmly believe that when we (all of us humans) take our anger online we usually get a bunch of people either supporting us in our anger, or yelling back and perpetuating our anger. I firmly believe that when someone has anger from pain, the best, healthiest and most productive thing they can do is address it, either with a good friend, mentor or professional, and work it thru. It makes for a better rest-of-your-life, it heals some of the pain and extinguishes a lot of anger. I meant it in kindness, whether you accept that or not.
Honest about what? You’re asking a question. Based on pure garbage you have gleaned from the haters online mind you. If you wear a mask and social distance and manage to infect and kill someone anyway, ch”v, do you pretend that you didn’t and blame it on someone else? I’m just asking honestly. If you attend a protest and pretend it’s not a super spreader and you kill someone, ch”v, do you pretend it’s their own fault because the governors also said they weren’t super spreaders? I’m asking honestly about that one too?
Can we stop now?
This question is disgusting.
“It’s very sad that assimilated frum Jews look to politicians for role modeling in morality.”
I don’t believe they do. I think the rest of your post explains it well
really? That’s your new calling, to make sure you expose frum people as hypocrites? That’s really sad, and a huge waste of your anger. You would be much better working it thru with someone who can help you let go.
Post script – Almost all frum people I know are trump supporters. NOT ONE supports his character or praises him b’kum v’aseh. Seriously, I understand your anguish but you’re barking up the wrong trees.
I am sooo glad you are recovering! But I have to ask… which one of us were you addressing?
Oh really, one of the rudest posters? I do not deserve that insult by any stretch, and i was clear that i was commenting on how you came across, but not necessarily what you meant. There are more appropriate ways of defending your words than throwing unwarranted insults. Introspection perhaps? Letting me know i read you wrong? Or did i miss out on the moment of compassion.
Soften tongues, indeed.
I strongly disagree. Nothing has caused more destruction than frum jews getting sucked in to american culture de jour and forfeiting the yiddeshkeir of their future generations. We are eating ourselves up from within.
I never even thought of drug interactions! Thanks for mentioning that. I’m going to ask a pharmacist friend of mine what she knows about that.
To clarify, i am not siding with Health. I also wish him peace but it extends to everyone who has allowed politics to send them off the rails. And i also feel that the drilling down for truth is not even helpful when nobody is left who is willing to be totally objective about what constitutes truth on either side.
If it took winning to give you peace, then that too is sad. At least you have retained your ability to ponder, enjoy and discuss other things throughout this electionwhich is admirable.
Do you really feel sorry for him or was that just a smoother way of putting someone down? Why not wish peace to slim, jackk and some others who’s raants are so filled with anger that you can actually feel it? Is it only unhealthy when it’s not aligned with your “side”? If it really was sincere, i apologize. It didn’t give that impression.
It’s also really funny how some people decide that if you do something they wouldn’t do it’s because you’re ignorant
Where do i give indication of having a bad day?
Yes, yes! With discounted ratws for blocks of rooms for hunter biden in exchange for kickbacks from his “friends” who use them! He’ll have more money than ever, brilluant idea CTL, glad you thought of it!!
Syag, have you checked the stats on how many recover from this virus?
Yes. Almost daily.
How come you weren’t this vocal about everyone getting a flu shot?
??? I didn’t bring it up, i was responding to your post. If you’d like we can discuss the flu shot as well.
And what if people already had it and have antibodies
Do they also need a vaccine?If you’d read my post you’d know that already
Aside for the fact that fauci and co. still want everyone masked up and apart vaccined or not. Is that telling or something? Population control? Hmmm makes you wonder…
Wonder about what?
Who said everyone on the planet is sick with the virus or carrying it!
That’s the point. Only 2-3% of the planet has gotten it so far. The purpose of the vaccine is to prevent it from going thru most of the other 97%
If a number of individuals choose to take the vaccine then that should already lower the pandemic numbers or be close to stopping it if that’s even possible.
Exactly
So why stop there, why don’t everyone be required to take every vaccine out there in order to eliminate the chance of ever getting sick?
Because the other diseases aren’t running rampant thru the earths population right now. Even if most covid 19 patients survive, it’s still pretty unpleasant to downright hellish to fatal. And it’s running rampant. So that’s why we are discussing it.
Rightwriter- you don’t give the impression you actually read my post or heard what I said before you gave some prepared responses that don’t shtim with the content.
GH – Say it aint sooo!!!
Please do me a favor. Run, don’t walk, to your nearest big pharmacy outlet and ask for a double shot of Trump derangement syndrome antidote! I’ll even pay for it!Oh good, your movie is over. Now we can finally hope for you to take some time out to regret the hours and days you’ve spent obssessing over this even after the election ended and you can return from the break with something to say on some other topic, finally, like you once used to do in the days of yore.
Looking forward.
When I was having children, standard ultrasounds were fairly new. They were only recommended for high risk situations, one time only to determine dates, and a second time at 20 weeks ONLY for those who refused amnio testing. There were no long term affects studies on the affect of ultrasound on babies in utero. Some will even say the tremendous uptick in ADHD and autism coincided with the increased use of ultrasounds. I’m wondering if you would have made a stink over these ultrasounds for their lack of testing as well, or is this just an anti vax bandwagon. (I don’t know you so I do not know which it is) I, for one, opted out of unnecessary ultrasounds but I wasn’t leaving myself at risk of exposure during a pandemic by doing so. just wondering your thoughts.
rightwriter – if you prefer sitting in your house, forever segregated from family and friends, I have no problem with that. If you prefer wearing an approved mask and social distancing at all times outside your house, than I have no problem with that either. But if you are going to expose yourself to others who may be infected, and then expose others to yourself, then in that case I would ask you to be vaccinated. Exactly because it is NOT just about you. My desire is to stop the spread. I don’t really care how you do it.
Wow. Your comments are all sickening.
sickening? You must be new here.
I am not sure why you think the vaccine is untested. It was tested, we just don’t have any long term data.I personally have no intentions of getting the vaccine. I have antibodies and would rather not waste a dose that could be used by someone else. I do not advocate taking superfluous medications or vaccines but I don’t skip the important ones. If anyone is tired of being locked up and masked in their livingroom, I think this vaccine is the perfect shaliach for rescue.
Huju- why do you see the fraud issue as being a “biden is president” issue? I don’t doubt biden will be president but i am very concerned about fraud regardless of who and where. I don’t believe any elections are without fraud and if this wasn’t about trump I’m guessing many here would say the same. Can’t you admit to fraud issues without being accused of supporying trump? And can’t you admit to fraud issues that you would have acknowledged if anyone else was running? I have been very bothered by that but haven’t gotten any kind or straightforward answers when I’ve asked. And i think this is what Withheld has brought up but is also not getting real responses to.
Coffee and DY – thank you for much needed chizuk!
Reb E- and you’re as bad as CNN, he never said that. The CDC said you could vote in person in a mask and distanced. CDC. If you want to make up your chumros, do it with my blessing. But stop hurling spiteful untruthruths at people
se – wow. not really sure where that came from….