🍫Syag Lchochma

AAQ – I absolutely do not try to find the worst interpretation of your words. As I said in the past, I believe you are missing the essence of what it means to negate your agenda for Hashem’s Agenda and in that lack of understanding, you use terms that are flippant. For example, my young daughter would never put an empty cup down on top of a chumash. But if she puts it down on my English version of “a lesson a day”, it displays an unintentional disrespect that comes from her not understanding that the book has kedusha. (please don’t get side tracked on the details of my example)

If I decide that medical doctors are all powerful but medical doctors who work in research are just couch potatoes, sitting at desks and tables all day, that is a disrespect that comes from a lack of understanding of the importance of the research. But if I don’t know that, I will freely say it not knowing how wrong it is. (again, please don’t get caught on the example. I am not saying you called anyone couch potatoes, I am trying to make an illustration using familiar roles)

So what happens next is this: now when I refer to researchers I don’t say researchers, I say bench warmers or couch potatoes. And then using this false premise, I quote you halacha that forbids being idle and ask you why it’s okay to be a researcher when they are just being idle. and you wonder how to even approach a question that is asked using a false premise. That is what happens with some of your questions that are going unanswered. You are asking a question that doesn’t exist, because the question involves things that aren’t really there.

Just eww

Nechomah – I agree with you 100% I think we were talking apples and oranges. I see now the word is scooter, but here where I live all the boys are on those segway/hoverboard things so maybe it’s different. They do not ride in the streets and they are wearing helmets. I have not seen them “driving” recklessly. I definitely have a “safety first” attitude and when these things first came out the police stopped the use of it pretty quick telling the boys they could not ride them on the sidewalk or the street. Somehow things changed (maybe because it was not a covid issue so they dropped it)

So my exaggerated and over dramatic response was the need of the OP to make a post expressing some flaw in the yeshiva boys and their schooling in any way possible. Nothing about the OP mentioned safety, it was all about opening yet another door to complaining about yeshiva boys and yeshivas.
(I call it stupidity because how a person gets to school is about distance and timing. The idea that because their 9 hour day does not include formal phys ed, they most certainly must be inactive. Hogwash)

Now we can open a new thread about the non yeshiva boys who come home after only 7 hours to spend even more hours a day on their devices …. hmm… doesn’t quite have the same zing to it.

Abandon her to learn or teach? Is that your way of saying what you think of learning or were you trying to make their point?

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Rational – I know responding to your post will fall on deaf ears but I cannot let you twist MY words to support your illness.

Thanks for calling me frum, others on YWN don’t grant me that.

that’s okay. You and they obviously have a lot in common when it comes to judgement and condemnation. You should hold your tongue.

Nice to see you agree with the content of my message.

NOT! I said I was embarrassed because they are giving fodder to the anti semites. Unlike you, I KNOW this does NOT represent bucherim and I hate when people do dumb things to support stereotypes. I feel the same way when you and Avi say dumb things that you know will support FALSE narratives as well.

Unlike you, I am not at all embarrassed that this page was set up. Yeshiva boys practice what they are taught, and this is the message they take home from the yeshiva.

This is so twisted and disgusting it isn’t worth an answer. There are jerks in every walk of life. I lived the zioni life for my first 20 years and learned the lies and hate they taught as well. It floored me to find out how much of the garbage I was taught about chareidim was a lie and that both “sides” of that fence are full of the same manure when it comes to throwing accusations over the divide. Both have people who will take stupid incidents and write off an entire group for it. You should know better than treating peopl exactly in the non Torah way that you accuse them of treating you. It’s called hypocracy. Look it up.

Nothing to be embarrassed about. The truth hurts, and I’m just pointing it out.

The musser sforim have what to say about denial that takes the form of rationalization of lies and hate. You can look into that too. Unless you aren’t “into” musser. I mean I spent 20 years in the Religious Zionist system and didn’t know there were musser sforim. Should I use that experience to assume you live that way too (your form of “truth”), or should I assume my particular experience was just that, and not representative of all tzionim (the Torah’s form of truth)?

You are too old for this. Move along.

My thoughts exactly

I don’t remember your husband and I am truly sorry for your loss, especially as he must have been young young.

I do find it odd, considering how you “speak” to others here, that you would be complaining about lack of civility.

So in finishing it off you proved that you are lacking an understanding of the value of staying in learning AND
You are not quite clear on the definition of “someone else’s expense”

Thank you interjection. How anyone can think IDF is throwing caution to thw wind is beyond me. Either it’s a troll post, or he gets his news from AOC’s twitter feeds.

Yserbius- i never said i was either, but that didn’t stop you from saying i claimed to be so. So back atcha buddy

AAQ – i am sorry you felt put down by that experience. I think it is obvious that one can welcome someone warmly on the chance they are a jew, while one passing out sliyahs does not have that luxury. Perhaps if the gabbai saw you at a kiddush he would have responded differently

I find it hard to believe anyone married to a shil rabbi would give such a self aggrandizing response. It’s a total mismatch of values. Even if she was a lawyer and unwilling to teach. No way.

i would add that i probably disagree with your statement as there seems to be a lack of understanding of roles that can lead to the false belief that it is the same role but differently labled.

AAQ – i am not fee of an infinite amount of things to repair on/in myself and i say this with that premise-
In regard to your post, you have got some major issues that you need to address. Not as much in your judgement but in your perception, awareness of how skewed your perception is of all of this. I hope you are joking because i find it chilling actually. Frightful.

I have been able to reframe my perceptions of those who were moser (MOSER!), who put halacha and torah second to science and anxiety, and people who cannot treat a yid like a yid if he doesn’t beat the same drum, i have pounded my perceptions of these people until i could try to understand where skewed views, anxiety and fear can take a person. Even you and others who corraled me into anti mask catagories and pro death because you PERCEIVED (very, very incorrectly) that if I didn’t think CDC was god i must be actively killing neighbors as if with a machete, ch”v.

It wasn’t easy but i worked on it in order to move closer to where we should be as Jews. But what you write above, your view of the pandemic, the people who followed their doctors differently than you, the people who don’t stuff torah into their science, that narrative is scary. Please find a local epidemiologist to discuss musser with. Maybe it will hold weight for you. Please.

nom – while I do NOT disagree with you, I do have to disagree about it not being a comforting thought to the mourners. I found it very comforting to think of the cosmic implications, spiritual value etc. But I still don’t think that it is something you should say to me during shiva. During shiva we want to be validated in our pain, and if you want to tell me why I should not be in pain, I don’t want to hear that. But to tell me that this loss is horrific for me, but possibly helpful for the good of klal yisroel, well that was very comforting. For me. There is just a time and place for it and I think shiva is about acknowledging the suffering of the loss.

You added “avoids what the life of the departed was like – and even more – could have been” It never occurs to me that there was a could have been. If Hashem took my sister at 17, there was no 18. there was no 19. I don’t think He invented a scenario of a future and then changed His mind.

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I MUST add that these are MY personal thoughts – oddly enough on this day of that sister’s 37th yahrtzeit. No two mourners are the same and all those people who write letters and books on what to say and what not to say to mourners are doing a disservice. I found some writings telling people not to say those very things that I would have loved to hear. Having sat shiva 3 times in 6 years does not make me an expert, ch”v, but I have learned that nobody should be so bold as to denounce someone for their comments without being absolutely sure that there isn’t a mourner who disagrees.

Nom – The first time I heard that term used was when I was 19 and I was at the funeral of my 17 year old sister. I am not sure if I understood what the speaker meant at that time but I would definitely say that if someone wants to use that term/understanding of a situation it is fine, but should not be directed toward the mourners.

It is interesting that you mention powerlessness. I did mention to a friend that I believed that the powerlessness was probably the biggest trauma to the hatzalah team. I never thought about it in terms of the bystanders tho. Thank you for another place to be empathetic. I always appreciate different perspectives of things, and I know mine is skewed a bit because of the young deaths I experienced early on.

It’s also nice to see you are alive and well.

And for the record (and yes, I’m already sorry I broke my rule about not reading your posts) I never saw your question. I stopped reading your post after line three to respond and never went back. ever. if participant hadn’t taken the words RIGHT out of my mouth, i would not have veered from that path here either. And don’t be insulted, it should be joyous news for you. While I used to go out of my way to check out your posts, that died pretty quick after you changed (the change you yourself pointed out)

Participant- thumbs up on your last two posts. And thanks for this:

not answering a very simple question with nothing to lose when the answer has a 99.9% chance of showing the preacher’s hypocrisy is as clear an indication as they get that he’s fluff of baloney.

On point!

Jackk,
I very much appreciate your answer. I really wasn’t wanting to discuss Biden, unity or Trump, I was just struck by Reb E’s comment and was plotzing to hear how he would explain himself.

Regarding your words, I don’t think we will ever agree on this. To the point that I cannot even fathom how you have come to your conclusions. And I have no doubt you would say the same about me. And since I really do not like arguing, nor do I enjoy politics, I will respectfully leave your comments unanswered, not because I think there is nothing to respond, but because I don’t see any value in it.

Reb E – hoping you will answer my question