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It happens on other threads and with other posters as well but never ceases to amaze me when people are nasty and use name calling, insults and exagerrated claims to let people know they are being devicive.
🤷♀️You should do fillibustering as a side hustle. Lots of words, no relevant content…
“They all said that, even if there was fraud. ”
Ahh, finally the story mirrors reality. Good for you. Anyone else willing to join him?
That seemed a bit harsh
I am absolutely an outsider to tristate, MO, chassidish, and chabad communities. But you were referencing my community. And you speak of them as they. So therefore, because i am responding to you, i use your setup. If you wanted to disparge your own community i would word it differently.
My daughter who was “home schooled over the phone” as you have dubbed it was listening to her teaches teaching class on the same schedule as in person. They prepared and taught, while managing their own kids, and should definitely be paid for it. Additionally, they prepared weeks worth of sources/handouts and we picked them up from the parking lot, exchanging it for homework and tests.
Almost every packet contained a treat and a project. I was thoroughly surprised and impressed.My sons yeshivas did english on zoom or through the same portal they used in yeshiva. Other sons yeshivos gave shiur by phone and they had chavrusas by phone as well.
Pretty good for disorganized archaic inflexible orthodox people, no?
AP did the same word game you did. I checked out the article with the exact quote – that used your version as the title. “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,”
That’s not the same thing. Not even for pretend.
And i still claim i heard him say himself that he was not claiming there was no election fraud. It was a video. I’ll look for it.
Reb E – I myself heard Barr say that he would not say that there was no fraud, just that there was no fraudulent programming in the voting machines. He specifically said that he is not commenting on the ballots. If you are going to quote him, at least stick with what he said.
Avrum can correct me if I’m wrong but i took his post to mean something additional.
People outside are making lots of claims about what is going on in our communities and not only are those claims heresay, but they actually aren’t happening. I thought the mention of not hearing it first hand in the actual communities was because it isn’t happening there. Most of it is poor renditions of things people outside the community like to say (fabricate? Take out of context?) about us – more formally called lashon horaI didn’t miss the point at all. And you are way off regarding my personal views on the matter. My comment/complaint is about how degrading you are toward THEIR chosen path and how closely you monitor/pray for/encourage and celebrate the idea of them loosening THEIR rules. Why the focus on lives so very far and unrelated to yours? Unless, of course, they aren’t.
(This is not just from this thread but from many of your posts across many threads and years. And some hair raising ones from the non moderated news page)
Not at all. And your attempt to inject humor doesn’t hide the disturbing underlying obssession/hyperfocus on the veering of sheltered or careful people from their lifestyle. As if you just can’t untangle yourself. And you can’t let them have their victory. Very sad but moreso creepy. As I’ve said before, so many MO hate with a passion but i would put money on you being otherwise connected.
You thought that was funny?!
Bless you for letting me stick with my opinion 🙂
I have no doubt some people did well and i don’t have anything against kosher internet use. I’m just creeped out by the way you drool over the thought of them doing it, as if it’s some kind of a win for you.Woops! I think you meant to post that on the judging people thread.
You can always count on GH to feel a tingling down her spine when someone may have compromised their values or weakened their values.
Spoiler alert: some accomplished all that without internet. Our schools used conference calls.er – beautiful, thank you
Supply and demand is a seperate issue. These items are priced higher because of production costs, often too high and end up in major surplus.
Well done
That is only true some of the time. Did you ever order a personiled item from a manufactorer? They charge more for small orders because they are customizing it for you and dividing the costs over a few items. If you buy more, the price drops
And even more likely, as in the case of others who join the forum to post a topic and then disappear, it might just be a bored teenager.
I don’t know why i keep doing this. We are obviously operating on different wavelengths. I can’t clarify anything because you take illustrations as new topics of conversation and get further and further from the point.
If someone decides to talk about the cost of uniforms instead of the cost of tuition it doesn’t mean he doesn’t pay tuition. Where do you get these crazy conclusions from? The cost of uniforms is indeed over the top. No matter where you go. But that does not support your earlier claim that there is only one source. And it is an issued shared by everyone accross socioeconomic barriers if they attend such a school. So it could be that his reason for asking about uniforms was not because he is mooching tuition money off of people so it’s not a bother, but rather because he wanted to have a discussion about it.In regards to your milk story:
The man asked the rav if he could have permission to fulfill the mitzva of wine by using milk. That is a far cry from someone complaining about the cost of a standing rib roast and choosing to serve london broil instead.
Listen and process.You have got to be kidding! Of course you would. I was talking to a friend who spends more on a shabbos meals than i do on my vacations and she told her daughter she can’t fly to visit a friend unless ahe finds a cheap ticket. And she specified under $100. I hear them complain about school related costs all the time as well as regular expenses. The difference is she wants to buy each kid 5 of them and i was only aiming to buy 2. Which is totally her right. Why does having money for a shirt exclude you from complaining about the cost?
So basically you were doing just what i said. Nobody mentioned being poor. You are making assumptions about people because of stereotypes. And not even aware of doing it.
That has absolutely no connection to this conversation.
Unless, of course, you are doing EXACTLY what i mentioned above and are making racist assumptions about these posters incomes and spending (like all good anti yeshivish do) . Deliberate? Accidental? You tell me…
Smart girl 😊
“Am I misjudging what the typical policies are?”
Yes
“My kids were at BY and had to buy relatively expensive uniform from a specific store with a logo”
I have no reason to assume you are making that up but i have never seen a logo on a bais yakov shirt. I would assume you live in a more remote area and that also would explain the singular outlet.
We have one distributor but we can order from sny place online and if the non jewish site wants to provide a long enough skirt, that works too. Lands end button downs worked well for the high school. We also have a uniform exchange where anyone could give or get used uniforms.“Just don’t read the name of the poster before reading the post for better digestion.”
Believe it or not i do! But i always know it’s you 😄
As I’ve tried explaining before, unfortunately without success, it’s not always my interpretation, it’s comments you make that you don’t know are wrong. Probably based on minimal exposure and getting your info from non bais yakov types (that part is my assumption)For example (i can always try…)
If you don’t know black people, and you mostly know about them from racisty types, you may walk up to a black coworker in ALL SINCERITY and say,”i heard you like fried chicken and watermelon, can i offer you some” He will be livid and you will tell him he is reading you wrong. That’s what you sometimes do here too.Maybe if i knew you and your story i would be more tolerant, perhaps you are surrounded by this type of talk snd are unaware how damaging/untrue it is.
“rather than a specific uniform that is produced by one manufacturer and sold by one store.”
So does the fact that this isn’t true bother you at all or does your disparging bais yakov schools and their communities override truth here too? I mean i know you were disappointed when not enough people died in our specific shuls to support your theory, as evidrnced by your refusal to refute that claim. But do you also just dislike everything about them applying unhealthy, inappropriate stereotypes about crooked money and welfare incomes?
Nope
If you forgot you shoulf ask your specific rav what you specifically should do in this specific case. Isn’t that how it works with things?
I know it’s not the same thing but if i forget to tear open the pockets of a new suit before shabbos i can’t just do it shabbos. If i forget to tear paper towels before shabbos, i can’t just tear them on shabbos. I know those are different but that may effect the heter, not the obligation to ask.
How can wearing weekday clothes on shabbos ever be seen as not preparing for chol.
Totally not. That’s the general rule rule but not in kashrus. It has been explained to me that kashrus requires more salaries and exclusive equipment and interrupted runs during kashering, shopping to smaller cities etc, but mostly the products aren’t sold in enough quantity to warrant low prices. Why do you think mcdonalds can sell for so cheap? Because their meat distributors buy product by the millions, not hundreds. And food chain prices are lower than small shops. Everything gets discounted when you order more.
Reb E- I think people need to check with their rov before following that advice!! We don’t do heichin lchol on shabbos just cuz you have more time! I am surprised you would even suggest such a thing. And walking on clothes is not a widely accepting loophole so people should PLEASE not accept these ideas without checking with their rov.
Reb E- I’m confused. You left the DP camp 62 years ago? In 1960?
Commonsaychel – thank you for validating my observation. For some odd reason I find comfort in that.
Regarding the nomination…would I need to learn how to make potato kugel?
That’s what I was asking you
Reb E – i don’t know why you and CTL keep saying that. The obamacare is so expensive, is unreliable, and has ruined my daughter in laws credit when one of their “providers” shut down without paying up. Even after losing the class action suit. The marketplace plans have 14,000 out of pocket. Do you have any idea how much that is? Im so confused about how it has been helpful.
Thank you for once again avoiding responsibility for your comments. I asked you something why do you avoid answering it.
“As you did, I was going back to one shul last June, measured their air flows, opened windows. Then, half of the minyan would close windows and wear masks half-way despite (Lakewood-type) Rabbi’s instructions. When an elderly person came in and they continued the same way, I just did not see myself davening with a group like that.”
According to your incessant cries of murder, this scenario must have resiulted in several deaths. If it did, please tell me exactly how many people unfortunately passed in this exact minyan following this occurance . And if nobody did, than admit your murder theory is full of trash and SHUT UP about it already.
“If you are meikel on that, you should expect less respect that people who are meikel on shabbos or kashrus.”
AAQ- STOP MAKING UP FAKE HALACHOS
IYK – the world is a lot bigger than your daled amos. I am sorry you have only learned Torah from people with a negative view but you can’t possibly generalize that to the rest of the universe. It’s just plain false.
I knew that. I was just trying to see if you would clarify by actually using the words “I apologize” No dice.
“Apoligizse”
You’re telling me to apologize?
If that is your idea of necessary and rational care for germ exposure than it’s time you come clean and explain you are of an extreme minority of either OCD or germaphobes and your covid prevention views really have no bearing on real life or even other legitimately careful people. Had you made this clear from the start we would have known that this was not a reality based conversation and you could have saved us all a lot of time.
“This is together with overwhelming evidence that being careful saves lives.”
I have friends who PRE COVID
1will not ever touch a shopping cart without bleaching it, washes her hands thoroughly after touching money and she sees herself as being careful and you being a negligent super spreader. Do you understand?CS – who ever said that?
“Some of that original pessimism was because many believed that vaccines can be developed so fast and will be so effective and society will not be able to SD forever.”
Wrong. There was no pessimism, it was realism. The medical experts throughout those first months spoke about how highly contagious this virus was and how we will not be able to stop it but we need to slow the spread . Sound familiar? Slow the spread was THE slogan when ordering the preventions because we could not stop it.
And hahaha that it was thought the vaccine would come quick and save the day. Trump was the only one who thought that and everyone knew he was nuts. So you are not correct about that at all.
“instead of focusing on simple medical facts – being not careful causes increased virus propagation and people sick”
Duh. The problem is that:
1) The virus was already spreading around for weeks or months before they caught on.
2) Everyone believes that statement. The issue is on the extent some individuals have gone to decide what qualifies as careful without authentic evidence. Do you hear me at all? Some individuals have taken it upon themselves to determine what careful means and denounce everyone else even tho facts are not always in their favor.
For instance the hundreds of people you keep hoping will drop dead, ch”v in the shuls that weren’t careful so you could support your view even tho it DID NOT (and please Gd will not ever) become true.
And yes. I do know of really careful (by your definition) people who died from covid or tested positive for antibodies without a clue how it could’ve happened (no, none of the reasons you would like to start listing occurred) The REASON is, because, as the medical professionals said before the politics kicked in, you cannot prevent this virus from spreading, you can only slow the spread so the hospitals have room.
Always Ask Questions- but apparently disregard all answers you don’t like.
This MUST be clarified:
People who are not careful are part of the reason we had 600K people dead and more sickThis is a lie. Outright lie used to destroy klal yisroel, breed divisiveness and hate. A lie.
We were told repeatedly by the CDC and medical personnel that this virus CANNOT be prevented. We were told straight out that the restrictions were to SLOW the spread so the hospitals would have space. People died because of the virus. The EXPERTS (of which you are not one) stated that there was a need to SLOW the spread, because it was not possible to prevent the spread. Especially with inadequate masks that EVERY doctor knew would do very little.
Stop spreading lies. Stop spreading hate. Stop causing machlokes. Stop making up your own medical truths.
And get some help learning how to say “i don’t know ”
“I was wrong”
“I am sorry”
It will probably prolong your life decades more than your mask and outdoor minyan.and that’s the garbage i got flung at me WITHOUT being anti madk. I was spat on for asking them to give others room to follow their own professionals.