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Huju – I’ll take ‘no facts’ over making up my own and getting the FBI to sign off on them… just saying
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Abba – I’m pretty sure your calculation of 50% in cash before taxes is wrong. 50% of the expenses, maybe, not of the income.
Not at all. I am protesting your (plural) tunnel vision in your desire to get your point across regardless of appropriateness of time and place.
Don’t change it to something elseThank you smerel.
It is no surprise to me that Joe and Avirah continue to sock puppet each other with extremist views in the name of Torah. And always in regard to punishment, women and children. If you follow closely you will find they rarely have others agree with their views or their presentation as stated. Are they the only 2 real talmidei chochomim here and everyone else just isn’t in the know? And how odd that so many of the batei din don’t pasken that way? Are they also deficient in learning, ch”v, and not as committed to truth, ch”v? I wish these 2 would take some time to learn from a live rav about use of internet to spark controversy in the name of halacha, use of internet to “spread truth”, and some social understanding of those they believe to be “helping”.
I was thinking more along the ‘bored teens in a yeshiva dorm’
GH- i cannot find any response that should be allowed thru by the mods so I’ll just say ‘cringe’ and leave it at that.
Amil, I think they are from Australia, they were just making fun of those who aren’t.
“I’m sure that 95% of the time this wouldn’t be an issue.”
This does not seem to be your area of expertise. You are quoting party lines and it doesn’t match up with real life.
I’m not sure if it was an insider’s joke or if some people just hadn’t heard of the book that quotes 42 as the answer to that question.
He was definitely a fan.No, what’s sad is that to you it’s a truth squad, because you are selective in who and what you consider honorable and worthy if respect. Written law included. Defending halacha and arguing it’s points isn’t something a true talmid chochom considers disrespect. Don’t diminish his greatness thru assumptions of pettiness.
AAQ – all i can say is that if that is your view of jewish women and their role in Judaism than i feel sorry for you, and for your daughter(s) who are missing out on the true meaning of spiritual worth and value. You also continue to be clueless on the difference between disapproving something because you don’t like it, and disapproving something because it is incorrect.
If it’s not appropriate why did you post it?
I don’t get it…
GH- I was mirroring his and his friends comments to Avirah and others on the sleeping in the sukkah thread on each of those exact points.
“just looking at one guy”
You have the chutzpah to speak of a Rebbe that way and then complain about how people speak of yours? That’s your chinuch?
“and at the end of the day you dont gain that much.”
Again, chutzpah. How many tishen have you attended? Is this just your own opinion or did you ask around? Do you really think you can speak of chasdidishe Rabbes and minhagim this way while getting bent out of shape and calling it hate when it’s about you?
I disagree but am not interested in arguing. You did pretty much nail my point tho when reb Moshe in his holiness and wisdom says straight out that something isn’t shared with the klal, but you and Joseph seem to have dubbed yourselves above that- bringing it not just to the klal but to the internet and for no valid tachlis.
” A handful of cases of fraud … have been found.”
“The fact remains… they have not found a single case of definite fraud.”
oh…ok
“I myself became more religious from the old frumteens site.”
well I guess that does explain your similarity to Joseph in his extremism
“Nobody is disagreeing that there is fraud in American elections, even in this election.”
good, then we are in agreement. Yserbius (I couldn’t remember if it was you too or just he) said a few times that there was no fraud in this election, that there was found to be no fraud etc. When you exaggerate the facts, it diminishes your credibility as a “reporter”. I was just telling him to stop saying it if he wanted us to think his statements were actually founded in truth.
“The issue is whether there was a MASSIVE conspiracy”
I know what your issues were, I wasn’t addressing them at all. As I said, I just think it is important to present facts as they are. He tends to embellish facts and then wonders why nobody is taking him at his word so I was hoping to give him a helpful hint.
“criminal conclusion on January 6th of attacking the Capitol.”
hmm…this sounds vaguely familiar…was this part of that steele dossier thing?
just kidding. really. totally not going back to the trump talks.
“Based your above posts, I take from this that you are very insecure of your “litvish status” and are too insecure to make any changes in your life so you just lash out at everyone else ”
Um… hello? Have you checked the definition of “lashing out”? When you and your friends call someone names, tell him he spends too much time online, doesn’t learn enough etc because you don’t like that he brings halachik questions/proofs/issues with something you do that is NOT him who is lashing out. And then twisting your nastiness into “chabad hate” when there was nothing but halachik argument… well that pretty much describes what happens almost EVERY time one of you jumps in. Take a hard, objective look at your communication. Excusing yourself to defend your torah is exactly what you accuse him of.
I called you out for being unhelpful with unsolicited negativity so you bluff your way thru some legal ramble to try pretend you were really out for his best interest.
My response was to let you know it wasn’t very convincing.Oh please. Can’t you just say sorry and move on?
Sheesh. He didn’t ask you for a critique (based on absolutely nothing relevant), he asked where to post it.
Eliyahu, good for you. Good for you learning 9 years, good for you wanting more, and good for you taking the initiative to find it. May Hashem send you a chavrusa bkarov. Ignore the peanut gallery who can’t be bothered to compliment your initiative, criticism is do much easier, I guess.Hatzlacha
Was that supposed to be your helpful 2 cents? In some places it’s the going rate. He asked for a chavrusa, not a tutor.
“this was a very closely watched election and this was an extremely intensive and detailed audit. ”
Now you’re kinda veering into the speculation, not quite supported by fact realm so we’re parting ways here. My point was just that you can feel free to say they didn’t find enough fraud to swing the election, but there has probably never been a fraudless election anywhere so saying so kinda dampens the credibility.
Feel free to not like the program for yourself, to wonder how others feel about it, or to ask for/recommend different learning programs. But not one of you is qualified to put it down, complain about it or present it as flawed. So it doesn’t suit you, great, find something else. Rabbi Shapiro zt”l was more qualified than we are and he seemed to think it was worth it. As lowertuition mentioned, go discuss it with him.
Yserbius (and maybe Jackk as well) – My personal disclaimer — You know that I was a trump supporter (tho not him personally…) and I have trouble forgiving anyone for thinking this is now a better option. plus I have seen the scary lengths people on high have gone to keep trump out of office (not saying they didn’t feel justified, just saying things were done).
Given all that as my personal position…… I do believe that it would be perfectly probable that the elections were rigged because people hated trump ‘that much’ and considered it a “we must protect our contry at all costs” situation.
Given that position as well…. If I am told that Biden was legitimately found to have won, I have no problem accepting it. BUT – when you say that no fraud was found, or that the elections were all honest and fair, well I have to say you are nuts. I have been living in Chicago far too long to believe that there are honest and fair elections anywhere. Perhaps Biden won the election fairly, perhaps not, we may never know and frankly I couldn’t care less. But to say that no fraud was found? please…
YH – if you can’t think of any responses except being insulting and hateful (and then pretending it’s everyone else hating chabad) maybe you should find something else to do.
I actually can only think of 2. But one of the main supermarkets has an extensive kosher section well stocked with fresh and packaged.
“If everyone in school insists that it is their way or highway”
That’s not educating, that’s indoctrination. If a school is doing that, switch schools. If you live oot, as you’ve said, I highly doubt that that is what they’re doing.
GH- I’m assuming your comment about an inch here and there is referring to beyond covering the knee, which is halacha. In that case I agree with you about the destructive methods, the twisted mindset of how to enforce e halacha and the creepy inapprpriateness of those men who walk around searching for exposed skin in the name of Torah.
But if you are trying to convey, as you may have done in the past, that an inch less than halacha is good enough cuz it’s only an inch, then on that you are not just wrong, but are living a bizarre standard where all the rules are goalposts. That isn’t compatible with Torah.
GH ?? What are talking about ??
So glad to hear!!
Rightwritwer – thank you but you must have misunderstood. I was not, and do not, support your views. I am talking about the government taking advantage by requiring “level 50” safeguards for a “level 30” situation (my own labels for illustration). I am NOT talking about covid being a hoax
“You were right. And 650,000 deaths into it, it still is.”
Boker tov!
I’m afraid cutting off my sentence results in misrepresenting my point. It IS deadly, for a large percentage of people. It is NOT ebola.AAQ – nice soliloqy, although not relevant here. Anyone stupid enough to be complaining about restrictions purely because they don’t like to be told what to do our not even worthy of a response so I exclude them from this comment. You are waxing poetic about people not being perfect, only human, inconsistent etc. That is somewhat akin to saying that a school shooter is just a person in pain acting out in protest of a broken system. By hiding it behind those words, you make anyone who opposes it sound rash and impatient.
Based on past conversations, I sadly have to consider that you actually think that to be true but for everyone else participating, it isn’t about inconsistency, it is about lying, mistrust, lack of credibility and lack of science. For example – they claim to be following the science, and then come out with statements and rules that don’t. They claim that this epidemic is deadly, and then release tens of thousands of immigrants into the communities without testing some, and KNOWING others are COVID positive. They claim it is deadly for us to be in buildings unvaxxed and without precautions, but then allow homeless shelters to continue without those precautions. They say all government workers need to be vaxxed, except themselves, they say they follow the science and then require kids to forfeit healthy development even though the science DOES NOT support it. I used to beleive this pandemic was really deadly. I did whatever I could to avoid it. I also happen to be a rule follower by nature. BUT – when the people on the top who were WRITING and ENFORCING the rules, the ones closest to the facts, didn’t bother keeping the rules, that is when I learned it’s all trash.
I will do what I can to prevent the spread. I wear a mask, keep my kids home when they are sick, stay away from fragile people when I have been in crowds etc but the trust is out the window. And not because the government is HUMAN and IMPERFECT.
Do you even process any of this or is this more of your trolling? Like the part where you say you bring things up to hear other opinions. Except you don’t really seem to.
Soapbox is all yours. But don’t forget tonight is yuntiff.
“Now, of course I would generally shy away from direct insults and aggressive arguing, ”
You haven’t convinced me of that.
I find it funny that you keep spewing insults at them for defending Torah and then excuse yourself for having the exact reason they have. As I noted above. Odd, huh?
Coffee- TVOP stated that there were leaked documents released on handwritten ballot tallies. He said he is waiting to see what the audit says when it is released at 4. Then reb E jumped in on the same misread.
😒GH – I hear you and it’s a fair question but I don’t think it happens that way. People here will discuss a halacha or question the omittence of a halacha as they would anything else. Then someone comes along and starts calling them haters and anti chabad and invokes names and curses.
If people want to speak about a halacha being omitted (such as kashrus , chillul shabbos or tznius) nobody will call them haters. Those who interpret halacha differently can try to explain how their rabbeim paskened that way but the discussion isn’t an attack. Somehow if it’s a chabad related issue it becomes an “attack of the worst kind.”
I have heard you say you have a more modern outlook. I have experienced that (personally) to include a live and let live attitude to enhance peacefulness. Over time I have learned that even with an emotional draw toward that idea, it tends to prevent and discourage aggressively defending Torah when it is being challenged. Not condoning all methods by any means, but allowing laxity in the name of kumbayaness isn’t working in our favor.
Just my two cents
Avirah- chill. You have a great way of explaining halachos, histories, and perspectives without frequent mudslinging but your “read” of people’s motives and thoughts seems to be lacking. Stick with your strength.
YH- you are newish here so you probably don’t know a couple facts:
1) once you start insulting a person personally, you lost credibility2) when you attack a person personally and then call him a hater…well, that’s an unfortunate occurrence on chabad threads. You can’t keep calling people haters for defending the torah and halachos they know. (Where is Sechel Hayasher when we need him?)
3) I don’t know the politics here or the history but I did ask a descendant of Rav Ahron Soleveitchik to verify a “well documented” story presented on a Chabad thread and he verified that it was not accurate.
So feel free to discuss and present but stop accusing people of being haters for defending Torah when they hear something that sounds off.
While I agree, once again, with the creepiness factor of this being brought up by a man (and always the same man ), I hope you two aren’t actually disagreeing. This is a real problem, one that floored me when I saw how gutsy young girls could be while considering themselves shores mitzvos.
I don’t and would never take that stand against an individual who dresses that way, I do not judge people’s choices and hope for reciprocity on that. But after a handful of influential people jumped in, and it became more “acceptable” than I ever would have imagined, it becomes a problem for all of us trying to raise young girls.
So here’s why I lose respect for people who try to intimidate people into following them. I think everyone should check with their ob about the safety of the vaccine, but while your at it ask your ob how many pregnancies spontaneously end up in miscarriage. The answer, oddly enough, is 1 in 8.
Just playing an uncomfortable game of hardball to see if the point sinks in.
“Apologize for the joke.”
DY, he wants you to apologize for your joke. Unless, like last time, he just can’t bring himself to say “I” and “apologize in the same sentence…
“What do you mean I cannot travel to my favorite vacation spot because of some invisible reason? I am doing so many mitzvos, please do not distract me with the unseen reality.”
More troll posting. I have never met a yid who said anything along those lines. Although I do know at least one who said something like, “I know there are halachas around when to daven without a Minyan or not to degrade other Jews but covid is really much more of a priority for me even if it means disregarding the halachos for the extra mile beyond science that I have chosen to grab on to”
I wish them well. Even tho they have cursed me.Torahvalues – what?! You aren’t gonna cut ties with your trusted doctor even tho an anonymous poster thinks you should because your doctor doesn’t seem to be following his personal emotional opinion? I’m floored
What proposed path? I was calling you out on your mistruth that you bring it up because it because it addicts people’s lives and clarifying that you actually bring it up because you are trying to accuse a group of people of doing things wrong even tho they aren’t. What part of that confused you? There’s no discussion to be had on you calling out an imaginary scenario. Except to tell you to stop doing it.
No, you mention these issues because they affect how you think others should behave but imply several times that they aren’t. The Chofetz Chaim disapproves of that. I hope you aren’t against the xhofetz chaim.
“with all this anti-vaccine propaganda that the frum oilem is unfortunately falling for”
You know what’s so frustrating about your vomit filled anti frum community posts filled with misinformation, lies,(we call this motzei shem rah) and hate? It’s how you play dumb when you get called out, refuse to accept evidence that you are wrong, refusal to retract lies, deflection and pretending you don’t know what we’re talking about or just pretend you never read the response. You write nasty lies with just your dated Amos of experience and go blaming full communities for imagined offenses that you then apply to halachos you made up.
Why in the world are these posts approved and how do you say these things without giving a care to being called out as a liar? If you aren’t a troll, you might want to consider it, you do well in trashing people with conspiracy theories and stepping over the damage without looking back. Except to laugh and pat yourself on the back.
I should have clarified, I was speaking to the fertility aspect.