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ujm – so what? that is totally irrelevent.
Good question. Justice was served because the verdict matched the facts. The jury chose to ignore the intimidation of the threatening crowds. Unlike oj and many others.
When I don’t have time to watch a trial, I don’t pretend I did. You are making comments that are inaccurate that anyone who actually watched would know, as opposed to basing it on subjectivity and op eds. You have good questions, they just don’t apply to this case. Like those tweets that went out from some university or something lambasting the jury for allowing black deaths to go unpunished. Is her statement wrong? I don’t know, but it still has nothing to do with this trial.
IWhere does that fit in to this conversation?
Try reading the court transcripts. You’ll find out where your mistakes are and it will answer your questions
Jackk – I agree that its dumb to say there should have been no arrest, but just as dumb to say he got off like oj. I can’t wrap my head around how people have turned this into a political thing when it was so obviously in need of a trial and after the facts (FACTS) came out it was so obvious that the media lied. Is that why this became political, because the media voted guilty and the media is for Biden so if you are Democrat you have to be against Kyle? It’s really puzzling. This doesn’t even involve blacks so that can’t be the issue [head scratch]
Having watched all of both trials I have to tell you there ain’t even minor similarities let alone major. It is also glaringly obvious, tho correct me if im wrong, that you did not watch the Rittenhouse trial and are relying on either reports or politics. You’re too intelligent to make those comments any other way.
jackk – above are many of the points I saw and heard and would have mentioned.
obviously self defense has to be proven, but without the issue of right or wrong on this, I am not sure why anyone calls the victims “unarmed” as if they were safe and not capable of killing. If a guy is on his skateboard it may not be dangerous, but once he starts smashing someone on the head with it I don’t see how you can question the ability to kill.
Maybe it’s just cuz I live in chicago and it’s such a happening town, but I am fairly sure that people get beaten to death with skateboards, planks of wood, grabbed weapons and bare hands fairly often.
haleivi – that wasn’t so nice. You are welcome to not click on it if it doesn’t interest you
jackk – I actually thought about elaborating but then I remembered that in the past when I tried to explain things I saw (mostly revolving around the elections impeachment garbage) instead of getting responses I would get insults about watching too much fox news (NOT singling you out, this was a general response). So back then that was not where I got my info, and now it isn’t either, but I couldn’t imagine why the responses would be any different. I had actually not read any news stories on this all year. And, if I may add I assumed same as you regarding the story til I watched/listened to the actual trial (with no opinion pieces).
While I don’t condone running out to a mob with a gun, his dad lived in the town and he was sick of watching business burn down with nobody doing anything about it. I can’t argue him on that point. Im kinda sick of it myself.
exhibit 2
I work in a school with many assimilated Jews. One of them had candy on her desk that I ate. Later in the day I commented on how excited I was when they became kosher and she said she was so happy to hear that they were kosher, she just figured I sometimes cheated and was so disappointed.
You never know what they notice.And there you have exhibit number 1 of someone commenting without having the facts. Which I guess is what his case was founded on so maybe it isn’t a problem…
Seek and ye shall find
AAQ – I have no idea, actually, to what you are responding.
You made a statement indicating that if you got sick from a small exposure (whatever that means)v you will have a small immune response. I answered that that is false. Regardless of your exposure, if you get sick, your body will respond. being a little sick does not mean a small amount of antibodies. It also does not mean you will only pass on a small virus to someone else. (again, whatever that means)
So if you get sick somehow, your body will respond to the sickness, and whomever catches it from you will get their own response regardless of how yours presented.
I don’t need to define “a bit off” because the context here was clear to the players. There was a claim that even if our gedolim tell us someone has lost chezkas kashrus, we should still hold of them because they said so. I added to that from the other side. Just because a person was highly respected, that does not mean they cannot lose that position when they no longer qualify.
You are bringing irrelevent examples as I said that he “said something off”. And i don’t care what other people think of it, I turn to those in position to make the call. You seem so stuck (as in immobile) from the idea that people need to respect all different kinds of opinions and speakers, even if it is heretical or apikorsus, because maybe our leaders really just don’t know the difference and are myopic. Just entertaining that thought indicates that you don’t seem to get the difference between open minded and inappropriate. Maybe it’s your upbringing, or maybe it’s too much time spent revering people who are chipping away at your purity.
“In the latter case, there is some benefit of listening to a T’Ch of a different approach just to appreciate different aspects of Torah, even if you do not plan to subscribe to his views.”
as you have demonstrated, you are under the impression this includes everyone with a yarmulke, who is shomer shabbos and calls themselves orthodox. You believe it is proof that we should be honoring people and ways that are corrosive. You don’t seem to understand that the box this is in (or plastic container if you don’t like boxes) excludes your free thinkers like slifkin and steinsaltz. Same as you laud the Rambam’s secular knowledge because you think it is proof you should go out and do the same. This is a gross misunderstanding of what is going on here.
“If someone had a quick brush resulting in a positive PCR, his immune response may not have been large.”
This is actually false. For any virus. Per actual doctors
I know that you have a few bachurim and a few screen names. It was one of them. I say “you” because you all argue the same complaints and the same points.
I am not making up that you are anti chabad unless you are anti litvish, I said that if you all are going to decide that not holding of your rebbe means anti chabad, than you not holding of ours is anti litvish. I was saying that its stupid.
I also have a lot of respect for many people in chabad. I listen to and respect YY Jacobson, I think the mesiras newest of the shluchim is unbelievable. And when I encounter chabadniks in my chesed work I treat them no differently than any other yid. But if my rabbeim have harsh words for the rebbe that they base on Halacha, mesorah, personal knowledge or even ruach hakodesh then that becomes our reality. You have no business calling someone anti chabad for that. Now do you understand?I used to listen to a shiur by a very brilliant accepted rabbi. One day he said something a bit off. Later he did it again. Do I say, “he is a choshuva rebbe, I will just accept that”? No. I turned to those greater to see what their response was and eventually he was put aside. He was “un acknowledged”. We follow our gedolim.
Who cares if you are okay with it. Following our rabbeim isn’t about you. If you excuse yourself for terrible jokes/comments/thoughts about rav shach, why should you complain that we follow the opinions of many gedolim as well? If you are going to use such petty criteria it’s not anti chabad unless you are anti litvish.
The consistently high levels according to the doctor,, are explained by the fact that there is no evidence they drop.
Also, according to the doctor, flu like viruses were rampant this late-summer and fall. It went influenza, might have been rsv. Didn’t bother testing what it was, just tested for covid. Each time all the awful covid misery returned even tho it wasn’t covid. Seems whoever engineered it to search and destroy knew what they were doing.
I took an antibody test one year after covid and it had not gone down at all. I had no intentions of getting vaccinated while I had my own antibodies. People say that and then assume to still have antibodies but you should test for it. I was also told by my doctor that if I get repeated exposure it will keep the levels up.
Regarding long covid, I worry a lot about that. I had covid for about a month. Instead of breathing issues I suffered terribly from lethargy, inability to focus, and scatterbrainness. For example: I would stand at the kitchen counter to cook but couldn’t figure out what to make or how to make it. I would peel potatoes, cut a few, and start something else feeling unable to get anywhere. I would turn on meaningful minute (as I did every day) and couldn’t listen for more than 10 seconds. While reading a book I would turn on a shiur. It sounds nuts, well it felt even worse. This persisted for 10 months. The scatterbrainness went away after 3 or 4 months but the sadness and lethargy was almost a year. My focus is still down about 5% from what it was 19 months ago but at least I can function normally.
Do they call that long covid? Dont know.. doubt it. But it was debilitated and frightening. And since my covid I have had at least 3 really bad virus/flu bouts (I normally have none).
So if you feel like you can’t shake bits of it, you aren’t alone, but stay hopeful cuz it does seem to clear up eventually. I was really scared it wouldn’t and am very grateful to Hashem for getting back to here.
You maybe should reread the thread with a pencil and paper and take notes. You’ll be less confused. You’ll still be mad and call us names, but if you are honest with yourself you won’t be confused
Avirah – “i hooe you realize that lubavitcher rebbe stories (there are thousands) come only from chabad.” This statement is false.
And in all of what you have been telling over above, I personally think it is extremely important to keep your personal revelations and conclusions out of it. It waters down the information that is given from sources from whom we need to follow and respect. And that was the point of what we all have been trying to give over.And I think you are wrong to say that. You came on here asking questions and answering questions and we did the same. You had no problem making rude references to Rav Shach but are suddenly calling us anti chabad because you don’t like the things we are saying that we are backing up with sources, examples and daas Torah. Does that really make sense? Is that the way it works? You can say whatever you want about non chabad people, gedolim (oh a dime a dozen, fallible, not REAL giants like our rebbe) and mesorah but when someone says it to you, AH, suddenly it’s anti chabad and we are not treating a tzaddik well. You don’t h
even have a legitimate tayna. Nothing was just “said” and since you said it too, who are you to complain.How truly disappointing. If this is what your teachers have taught you to say (blame them, they hate you) then shame on them. If it is your own response (I don’t like what they are saying so they are wrong) then shame on you. If you can respect a man in a dress with five piercings and a tattoo who wants to put on tefillin, but you can’t have a conversation with frum yidden who live differently than you without dumping the blame, then your “love all yidden” campaign is a scam.
Dumb comparison.
Try this: last week I was at a wedding and only drank soda but there’s a .02% chance someone added alcohol to the glass. I feel fine but I probably should take a cab despite the cost cuz ya never know.
“I find it hilarious that a bunch of zundels on the cr the rebbe is not considered a godol.”
And there it is again. Farby knows his rebbe is the nasi of the dor because he/his talmidim taught him so, but when we follow the words of our gedolim we are a bunch of zundels on the cr.
Hmmm…“And, whether or not some gedolei yisrael said he was not a gadol or not, he is a Gadol and we all have to respect him.”
I’d say this pretty much puts an end to anyone thinking this discussion had Torah behind it.
Case closedthanks
was that musser or chizuk?
Seriously tho, except the first line that covid is 100% fatal those are all things he said, or would not deny when asked. Sad, yes. But damaging as well. Feel free to read it yourself (altough i wouldn’t recommend wasting that much time)
“Please tell me how in the world some gedolim can hold others are not gedolim?”
ummm, you did it above. You do it all the time. You have even built a sect who teaches that our gedolim and rebbe’s are just commonfolk, there are, as you put it, “thousands of them. It’s pretty hard to keep track”. Unlike your rebbe… And you don’t chap the problem with that?
“I would be really surprised to hear that gedolim just say that ‘the Lubavitcher Rebbe isn’t a Gadol’ just because they disagree.”
me too. in fact disagreeing with someone has never been a reason to say they aren’t a gadol. it was cute that you worded it that way to give the illusion perhaps that the gedolim were so petty but that was not their tayna.
The more I hear you guys talk the more I am convinced that you are being taught that litvish hate you to keep you from getting close to us. You are taught that we hate you so that you will always be defensive against us, seperate and distanced from us and “on guard”, feeling “better” and needing to protect yourself from us while enlightening us. You are taught that we hate you to lure you into a place where you will not be in danger of hearing our questions because you have been taught they are attacks. You are taught that we hate you to keep you from having your own questions about all the things you are not learning. I had a fleeting idea of it, but you have really spelled it out. How sad. How unbelievably unfortunate and manipulative.
“I was trying to explain why we don’t know every gadol!”
and you are forgetting (so did I) that my comment was that they didn’t even know who the rav of the community is.
“i can attest that litvishe bochuim have come up to me and mocked the Rebbe in disgusting ways that they would never say about other gedoilim or even poshiter yidden.”
I won’t defend them, but I will answer to it. When people are exposed for years to meshichists versions of their rebbe and lubavitch etc and there are no “real” lubavitchers speaking against it and denying it then how do youblame them? Honestly, you should be agreeing with us.
Second, I don’t think you realize how awful some of your comments are (as I’ve mentioned above) so you obviously are judging with a bias.
“I feel very sorry and am bothered that many non-lubavitchers get the feeling that all lubavitchers act like the ones you see.”
well if that’s who we see, and you don’t take responsibility to tell people they are wrong, how can you possibly have taanas on the people around them?
“I can understand as people tend to judge one and assume all is like one.”
No. Not leaving that one. Don’t put the ‘judging all based on one’ game out there. You yourself just admitted that it is communities. Many communities, outspoken individuals, chabad houses around the world and very public speakers saying some very not okay things. Don’t tell me I’m judging everyone to be like one.
“But Lubavitcher Rabbonim can’t openly oppose it.”
Yes they can. And they should. There are people spewing kfira and avoda zara in your name. You don’t think it’s a problem?
“If it’s open disagreement, lubavitchers will end up getting into fights, and just make things get worse.”
Buddy, you can’t make things worse
Refuah Shelaima
“The thing is, that nowadays almost every Rosh Yeshiva is considered a gadol, and there are hundreds if not thousands of them, and they are pretty hard to keep track of (i’m seriously not trying to offend anyone).”
I have heard this bizarre response before and I barely know what to make of it. Do you have any idea how silly, disrespectful and ungrounded it is? Seriously. I can’t even break it down for you if you are too oblivious to see it yourself. Not trying to offend anyone? how bout the talmidei chochomim, gedolim, gaonim themselves who you kinda brush off as if you are actually qualified.
I edited this further but Hashem erased it so consider yourself lucky
” There are enough non lubavitchers to know about other gedoilim. ”
this has got to be the most twisted thing you have ever posted here.
Excellent post, and if I may jump on that without hijacking it …
A neighbor who is lubavitch came to my house for something and did not recognize the gedolim who’s pictures I have in my living room. I also mentioned the dayan in the city by name and they did not recognize that name either. I mean he is a main posek and the dayan of the city. Not a glimmer of recognition. I am NOT asking for explanation (save that for Avrum), I am wanting to know if me saying that to you will be then called “shtuching”.AMEN!!!!!!
(so glad you posted, I was wondering if you forgot)farby -Most of us are well aware that you are a group of bochurim and I assume others also knew you were getting your responses from elsewhere. It’s just kind of obvious. My point was that your answers are not what many of us get from Chabad in the communities where we live so you don’t seem to understand how prevelent the misinformation is. Here are a couple direct responses to a few of your points tho:
You have a bad habit to say someone “doesn’t want answers they are just shtuching” when you don’t like the question. Trust me, that isn’t what has been going on here in these threads, try reading some old ones for shtuching, you just don’t want to hear that.
Avirah unfortunately adds his bias into his answers. His shtuching is a lack of ability to seperate personal feelings from fact, but it isn’t to shtuch. Meaning, he is expressing his disapproval of the things he is listing, but he is listing things he has legitimately learned and experienced from living as a chabadnik (if I am remembering his story correctly)
What you reallllllly don’t want to hear, but you kinda proved it yourself in your extra post, is that you are the ones who come to shtuch. You say things that you know go against what we know as truth and then you call us haters, bashers and shtuchers for responding. I find it a pretty sick game, but am most offended by the way (over the years) chabad activists have come here seemingly to make a rukus thinking we all are ignorant haters who make stuff up and have no clue, and then when you find out it isn’t true you 1) pretend you didn’t start up 2) pretend we are hateful for defending Torah 3) pretend we are just shtuching when you don’t have an answer.
I have a lot of respect for you guys down under, I am glad you don’t live in the land of the yellow flags, but please take heart of some of the comments you have been hearing, just store them, it will make achdus easier for you in the future.
I probably forgot something but up here it’s time for carpool…
“I was very surprised to read some of the things posted by a handful of lubavitchers that opposed many of the inappropriate aspects. More along the lines of our Australian team here.”
I was saying that the australian team was opposed to the inappropriate aspects.
“And, if you know it’s a mishigas, then why go so crazy about it? They aren’t taking thousands of yidden and making them run around with yellow flags and then they believe in it. When the word Lubavitch comes up, suddenly, it’s mishichists. Why?”
because, as I have said before, some people live in places where there actually are thousands of yellow flags. Some of us have conversations over and over with mashichists and never find out that there are people who disagree with them. They are outspoken and not always stable or rational but it’s all we have. I was very surprised to read some of the things posted by a handful of lubavitchers that opposed many of the inappropriate aspects. More along the lines of our Australian team here. The problem, which I have also said before, is that you all are not doing nearly enough (if anything at all) to speak out against it. You should be rvery vocal about their chillul Hashem, about their misinformation and about the way they speak for you. Your silence is baffling, honestly, considering the damage they seem to be doing. Which is one of the reasons I always assume you didn’t really disagree with them. Because if you did, why would you let it go on this big, this loud, and this detrimentally.
I hope that gives you some clarity
” It’s tired, old, childish, divisive and quite frankly irritatingly stupid.”
hear, hear
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I hear you but I believe you are wrong about your illustration of the present Exchange. Unfortunately I am driving I will have to get back to you