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Lostspark- if that is your response after reading this thread than you either read it with your eyes closed, have a sad case of denial, or have gotten a heavy dose of indoctrination. All three options are unfortunate.
Again – nice thoughts but you should not be presenting this like it is a one size fits all. It is absolutely NOT about “I would just be so much happier that way” or “I just can’t cope with this”. There is a thorough process involved in determining if a heter is warranted in both abortion and plastic surgery – which I am NOT equating by the way.
Reb E – those are nice thoughts but I am not sure halacha agrees with you.
n0m – you better get on that! nothing excites him more than that topic (discussed ad nauseum and rehashed whenever possible) except maybe slapping your wife and kids.
” he was the nasi hador ”
That is a title Chabad created for him.” he was the nasi hador when we were still zoche to have him alive physically. ”
I don’t think I have ever heard a chabanik say that.
“but he cared about all the yidden.”
100%. I don’t know if anyone disagrees with that,
“The other gedolim and tzadikim cared fore a lot of klal yisrael-or most of the frum- but not all. ”
That, on the other hand, is sheker, and delusional. Honestly, you barely know beans about most gedolim so you could only say that if someone told it to you. And that is called propaganda. That someone should actually have taught you that about other gedolim gives me chills down my spine.
Nobody is trying to change your mind. And you seem too young to hear exactly what is being said in these conversations (based on your responses) I have a lot of disagreement with some of the minhagim of the chassidim and I could never see myself living that life, but I don’t have an issue with a Satmar yid saying his Rebbe is a Gadol. The people who have a problem with your Rebbe have a problem with him and things he did that would disqualify him as a gadol, they aren’t having a contest saying that he can’t be a gadol because their own rebbe is one.
Ash – I am not arguing your whole post but you cannot deny you are not so different in you selective listening. I don’t believe in conspiracy theories, but I also don’t believe you can call everyone outside of your box a conspiracy theorist.
You live in a conspiracy theory world, where the majority of doctors, all who recommend vaccines are either dishonest or fooled by “big pharma” or “Bill Gates”
You are right, not everyone who believes in it is fooled, but to deny that there has been a ban on opposing data is also tinfoil hat material. Besides the few who I heard clips of who you disregard, I have real actual contacts in the medical and pharma world who have verified this ban. So I am not so quick to dismiss it and I resent being called a conspiracy theorist by those who have used their own selective blindness to choose their sources.
Again, I’m not in line with philosopher at all, and I’m not anti vaccine, but from the outside your “quick vaccinate before you kill someone” and “tinfoil hat” cries are no less looney.
Avrum asked a question. If you don’t want to answer, don’t answer.
So basically you can’t follow this discussion? Shimon says following RATZON HASHEM cannot be chillul Hashem. And you bring up some weird scenario having nothing at all to do with halacha or yiddeshkeit or rational Hashem and ask if that was his point. Hello? Do you really not understand what following halachos means or are you pretending it means acting like a hindu.
“Check yourself – did you try all other ways? Did you go over all halokhos of tochacha before doing it?”
Check yourself – did you try all other ways to be uncompromising? Did you check the halachos about cutting corners before doing it?”
Unfortunately not one for self reflection.
so it sounds like AAQ is (once again) advocating for making a good impression, or preventing a bad impression as his definition of a chillul Hashem. So what he is saying is that is important to forfeit Hashem’s will if it will tick someone off or rub them the wrong way.
You can’t have it both ways.
So if strict kashrus insults a coworker, just relax your standards.
If not going to the holiday party will make Jews look boring, be sure to relax that standard too. Especially if you were gonna go and just talk to the husbands.
If making brochos on food will make Jews look weird, just whisper it quickly without moving your lips. Why worry about Hashem’s honor when someone may think you’re odd.
If refusing to go out to lunch makes jews look stand offish, why hold to the silly chumras when you could join them and have a coke. How could it even be a question.And where do you draw the line? Oh! That’s easy, just put it five inches beyond the last thing your audience is expecting from you. I mean, you wouldn’t want to risk looking inflexible would you?
Woe is to the one who does not see the respectful aspect of consistency and commitment to one’s values.
Baum – no, making a chillul Hashem is not good. You are not hearing what he said. He said it is not a chillul Hashem to do the ratzon Hashem. Period. Doing the ratzon can’t be a chillul Hashem
It’s painful to watch how hard joe works to get reactions from these threads. If you really want to have a positive affect on the misguided modern thinkers give a shiur or join an organization that respectfully teaches and guides them to where they err. Write a blog that enlightens people and helps them see the timeline. Make a youtube q and a that isn’t anonymous that respectfully addresses the ideas and halachos that have evolved incorrectly per our mesorah. Shooting darts at people has never been effective, nor is it inspiring and it reinforces false stereotypes. Your (previously stated) rationalization of such behavior only proves you fall for the same excuses they fall for.
AAQ – object to what? Noticing?
You might want to read that over again.
“But of course there are always those people that are embarrassed of their yiddishkeit and cringe when they see a menorah proudly displayed on a car…”
I don’t know how many of you have used that line now. It must be some mantra they teach you to make other opinions batul. If a little jewish boy is pulling his pants down on the subway do you get embarrassed about your Yiddishkeit or do you get embarrassed that sometimes jewish people act in ways that are not as dictated and it is machshil others, causing them to think we are intrusive, missionisors, and lacking humility. For you to call it anything else is to play with words so you can justify your own view.Only you and Reb E are focusing on who is omicron. Anything to keep the machlokes alive it seems.
Is that your brocha to the couple? Or are you just overstepping a bit?
HaLeivi – that’s interesting. I never would have thought of that as an insult.
jackk – i loved that long post of yours
Reb E – you made a statement about us specifically not being pro life because we downplay the omnicron variant :
when is comes to Omecron COVID-19 variant they downplay it.
you are wrong. You were called out on being wrong in accusing someone of NOT BEING PRO LIFE (think about the severity of such an accusation) and instead of admitting you are wrong, you start throwing covid stats around (not sure where you got them from but they are not about the topic YOU brought up)
It is very hard to understand how someone eho is so machshiv Torah and so unbelievably knowledgeable can have trouble saying “I made a mistake” on something so important.
Reb E – I know this will be hard for you to accept but omicron isn’t causing deaths. I am fairly certain that it has not even caused any hospitalizations.
And that’s an outright lie. But hey, nothing like a good put down.
n0m- things don’t have to end in rifts, I just think there are a lot of posters who are used to the Twitter format of conversation. Throw in a good one liner, give a shtuch, toss a compliment, shrug someone up. Its all very monologue-ish. Lots of people talking at people.
Add to that the fact that if you agree with someone there may be less back and forth to be had.
Remembering conversations that didn’t always go into rifts, the running theme was to give more emotionally and personally. To discuss topics about things you found inspiring, challenges you met, poems you wrote, risks you took and what you learned. And join others in sharing and hope others join. People used to enjoy those topics and I think some here still would but we’d have to agree to ignore the hecklers.
Ujm- he said the other poster vanished. I can’t go find the thread on that topic because you inserted it all over the place. No topic relevance necessary
See, and I figured it was someone making fun of all the people pressuring them.
n0m – totally good with that. disagreeing works for me. I don’t have time to ask you to elaborate, but I will also say that his previous postings influenced my opinion of his intent.
boy did we all fall in to the hateful troll trap! Here’s a poster who is almost exclusively rude, condescending, cynical or confrontational. He claims “all” these posts are about that and we for some odd reason feel a need to respond.
Here’s the response – Where your heart goes, Hashem will lead you. Try not to look for the rotten in everyone and you’ll notice the other conversations going on.
Red Adair – Spot on.
wow. that’s not controvertial, that’s just pigheaded. I would bett a million dollars that if her reason for not driving was severe nystagmus you would jump at the chance. anti-semite in training?
I really think it depends on the posters personality. Some people like to argue/rant/spew and enjoy the opportunity to do so anonymously.
I personally have met several people thru this forum who I am still in touch with more than 6 years later. I don’t know all their identities but they are people I would never have met otherwise.I was taught that the problem with thanksgiving is that because it always falls on the same day (fourth thursday of november, i think) it becomes a moed, which is assur to take on. It’s not what you eat, it’s making a festive meal kavuah on that day.
I would add that another problem would be the tendency to cook extra for thanksgiving and use the “leftovers” for shabbos.
“Judging by the frequency of posts reminding women that they belong in the kitchen with the children, not to learn gemorah, and blaming their lack of tzinius for every tragedy that befalls klal yisroel, I would infer that the majority of participants are men,”
seriously? you have joseph reposting the same post over and over for a decade and a handful from Avira as well and you decide to claim that it’s the majority of postings? It’s one and a half posters. This is how false narratives/stereo types are perpetuated. People with gripes about religion or religious people (i am not deciding you qualify for that group) can sit in a room for hours listening to chatter and then that ONE guy opens his mouth and suddenly everyone gets condemned.
” and they don’t need to dress up and walk just to sit and wait until everyone comes in and have a small talk ”
you have a very sad view of what goes on in the schools (shuls, communities). Is this just a hundred bad luck incidents you have had or is it your perspective? If this is your vision of school and why online is better, or that school is all about “teaching girls chumras and telling your mom she’s wrong” then I would implore you to find some other communities out there, or at least come to terms with the fact that your experiences are really poor examples of what’s out there.
In some communities, not wearing a mask is an open invitation to sarcastic comments and people trying to get overly aggressive and hateful.
fixed that for you
funny how you would have worded your post if those awful frummies focused on his lack of payos instead of his mask…
The glass can always be half empty when you want it to be.“Whatever the levels are they are typically as much or higher than those vaccinated and are lasting much longer. ”
pretty sure you can’t back that up with any facts.
Online classes is a very poor substitute for being taught by humans. Stats are skewed because there is no way to keep data on how many correct responses were anything more than random clicks. Most kids don’t learn 2 dimensionally and online learning enforces development of some negative skills while deterring development of some needed ones.
“I think we just deep down do not respect that Hashem continuously runs the world and we need to listen to his messages.”
Yes! Yes! I have been saying that about you since your first post! Well said, just poorly aimed. Please hang it on your mirror!
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I can imagine naviim being annoyed that Hashem was waking them up at night with his messages. They would try to switch off the beeping phone.”I find your satirical and cartoonist portrayal of the kodesh to be tasteless and disgusting.
I would bet the most “annoying” thing is that frum jews could create a divisive new religion of their own around this pandemic, creating new halachos of davening, siyumin, minyanim, l”h, mesira, adom lchavero, tochacha, carrying on shabbos, shmiras nefashos, pikuach nefesh, dan lkaf zchus etc, fully surrendering to the y”h.
What difference does it make where our antibody levels are if reality isn’t being accepted as a criteria?
Duvidf- i hope you know science doesn’t work that way. There are so many variables. The fact that the virus ripped thru thousands of people in the east coast before we knew what brakes to put on already dissolves the comparison.
That is not to say masks don’t help, it’s just to say that using information you don’t fully understand to call people murderers is not any less awful or destructive. Divisiveness kills too, maybe people should add a cork to their mask.
care to give us a hint
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I try to practice what I preachI don’t know what he was thinking when he went, and if I acted like I did, I would be guilty of what I just told everyone else not to do.
I can understand the idea of people getting sick of watching all the destruction with little defense, but I am also a frum female and my thoughts of running out to help among a dangerous, out of control mob is clouded by that reference point. I’m not a jump on the bandwagon person but I am one to fight for a cause. So not condoning or condemning. But not supporting either.Honestly, I had no interest in the case, didn’t even see the logic in it becoming important. But then the media went nuts over it and the left started to use it as their symbol of white supremecy, condemning him as a party, which i always find fascinating. That human psyche piece grabs me every time.
My sole interest became the pursuit of knowing what really happened. Mostly in terms of ‘was this more fake news’, will truth have any effect on the partisan condemnation, trying to figure out how smart people can get sucked into that, and then seeing what would happen if they found out they were wrong. Will people make it invisible when they found out they had egg on their face? Is denial easier than shame? Are there any limits to selling ones intelligence for a seat in a group-think? Can power corrupt so absolutely?Sorry. That probably wasn’t what you were looking for, and I’m sure it doesn’t make sense to most people. Question is, do I delete it or pretend I never wrote it in the first place?
2scents – I agree with you. However I thought nishts point wasn’t that they were criminals, but that as violent people they would have made him more afraid and threatened than if it was simply some college student yelling in his face. The defense could use it to explain why someone threatened by such a person would be more fearful.
BY – jackk said nothing of the sort. Joining in a rant against a case you know nothing about simply because of your politics is puzzling, but he doesn’t make any such claims. Did you have a personal discussion with him about this somewhere else?
Did we know he wasn’t comfortable with it? I missed that.
n0- what kind of security do you hire when a mob breaks out using the shooting of a criminal as an excuse to destroy their city? People who were fed up ran out there to defend business, not to counter protest. It happened in other cities as well. The reality of this case has gotten so lost in the rhetoric.
Should he have gone? I don’t know. I
wouldn’t have but I sure understand why he would. Didn’t you have any thoughts of that when animals (calm down amil, its a comment on behavior not race) burned small business last year? Didn’t you on some level wish someone would do something?Abba- the prosecuter got him off because the facts kept coming out on his side. His own witnesses couldn’t support his case. You just fell for the propaganda.
yeah, forget the factg he worked there and his dad lives there. I mean who cares about facts if Biden doesn’t like him. Go for it!
nisht – I completely agree with you. And I think that that information would also be very important to be brought up in court for all those reasons. I was simply speaking in regard to whether or not that identity allows him to shoot. It may be as you say that the person who has such a record will most likely be more menacing, I just see that more as a court defense issue than a shaas maisa consideration.