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He knows that, that’s why he won’t let it go.
And it’s not just ywncr, it’s not for any jew.I was asking him specifically cuz of the way he worded his comment, I was curious to know what he meant. I didn’t realize he was also snubbing me on non controversial questions. Oh well.
GH- i fought the urge to say that, hoping if ignoring him would make him go away.
Jackk – that’s an interesting take away. I read it as meaning that police will be afraid to act if they will be jailed for errors, etc. Are you saying that is BLMs teitch or is that what you think police do?
Commonsaychel – thank you.
1986? I was so sure you were a decade younger than you probably are.
2scents – Yes, true, but wouldn’t it be expected that the president would not speak out against a verdict? It feels to me like a principal complaining about something a teacher did.
charlie – I’m not sure what you meant, shouldn’t all frum people be anti gay?
The idea that the president can voice disagreement with a jury’s verdict is a chutzpah. But when a black man out on bail deliberately drove his car over children (do I need to say that in all caps for it to resonate?) drove his SUV deliberately over children and adults and there was NOTHING. Biden did not visit or make a phone call. Disgusting. And what could possibly be the reason for his inappropriate over involvement in the Rittenhouse case vs zero mentchlichkeit in the case of 6 children hospitalized for ONE WEEK. because BLM took on the (oddly all white) rittenhouse cause, and the other was just a slap in the face to his liberal judicial system “upgrades”.
He makes me sick. And the media not calling him out is shameful (although they probably drive the bus on this one). It has become so hard to live day to day without being slammed by all this insanity. When does it end? How bad does it have to get?Abba- you could be right but I don’t think anyone cares about the gun. The point was that he was vilified without evidence in the media and survived. That’s a huge deal.
Reb E – I am surprised and sorry that someone so steeped in Torah can still be so vulnerable to the political blindness
Are you honestly thinking those definitions support your statement? Kyle Rittenhouse is getting support for surviving the attempted murder and slander of the media. Not many people do. Maybe you don’t want to acknowledge what your media friends have done so you needed to change the narrative? Who knows anymore.
This used to be a place to share thoughts and opinions, even clashing ones. It seems it has badly transformed into a place where people write their own realities and then act surprised about the push back.
That’s a pretty bizarre comment. Standing ovations don’t designate heros.
GH – I have been baffled about the mask off when you eat policies as well. Unfortunately I have been told (by doctors) that it is because the masks don’t really work so no harm done. I think the inconsistency has contributed to the turn-off/non compliance (as it tends to do in most situations) which is unfortunate. I would love for some real rules based on real science and real data presented by real, non politically funded projects. Not expecting it to happen but a girl can dream.
On a tangent, if you don’t mind me asking. I have noticed you and CS seem to think mentioning cholent and the ozone layer is really funny, as it comes up more often than I personally feel comfortable with. My question is, tho, I haven’t really met anyone over 10 that enjoys that joke anymore and I think you are both my senior. Is this what I have to look forward to in my sunset years?
Double standards much?
here is a cut and pastem copy of my answer to you:
“Yserbius – two comments for you. 1) the last time I discussed covid with you you were nasty, acused me of being pro death and twisted most of my comments into things I never said so please understand that all other topics are open but I ain’t engaging with you on this one.
2) the comment does not apply to you. I have no recollection of you rewriting religion or rationalizing away halachos or minhagim.”and since you have not changed much since then, I stand by it. At least with this topic. I’ve seen you have other, grown up discussions on other topics but here you are a bit too emotional and very inconsistent.
Can you explain to me how you “reprimand” me for a ‘snarky’ comment and then write the paragraph above which I’d say snarky is probably too nice to describe? As you say, “nobody appreciates snark” umm, except you when it works for you, right? seems to be a pattern here….
I understand that achdus means everyone together and different people have different views of who “everyone” is.
I would never be so arogant as to decide who is included in everyone, I am making the observation that for some, it was all jews and any exclusion is offensive while for others it means every jew who accepts Hashems Torah without trying to round the edges and cut the corners to shrink it to fit each generation.My mother worked in a Jewish social services organization. She wanted us to be raised to love all Jews and would praise all the reform and secualr Jews who would give up hours and days to pack and deliver food for the community. Especially on purim and before Pesach when nobody else helps. My brother made some comment to her about this being their “judaism”. My mom did not like that he disregarded what they do for what they don’t. My mom wanted us to love all Jews, even if we cannot approve of them.
to me, this illustrates the “two sides”, the lines just get grayer when as you move along the spectrum.
So here’s the thing. Your article had nothing to do with what I was saying to you. And then you supported that inability to acknowledge there can be information you don’t like with a second response of lableling everything you don’t want to hear to be “unreasonable” (I wasn’t referring to Health’s suggestions at any point)
And now you seem to have repeatedly added the word childish to try to add a demeaning quality to not just other views, but to those who read them.Last try – it is your behavior that is offensive, not the science. (the real science of course. The kind doctor use when they worry about patients and not politics) Your behavior is offensive, not the science. What you have done with your beliefs is offensive, not what it true.
“I am just throwing arguments out there and always happy to hear a reasoned argument back.”
If only that were true“Are you saying that 30% of the population that are not vaccinated or not wearing masks are following recommendation of their actual doctors? ”
I’m not as proficient as you at making up stats and pretending they are real but I can try. Here goes. Yes.
I know many doctors who have said that the vaccine is a personal choice and that masks are useless but they don’t want to lose their jobs so they wear them. Same as me. I have not heard anyone but you say the omicron is not affected by the vaccine. I read that south Africa and Israel both said it is. But that was last week…I am not anti mask, I’m anti you making a religion out of it. I’m anti you calling people murderers for not doing things your way. I’m anti what pro maskers to the exclusion of all else including Gd have done to friendships and congeniality. And once again I will wait for the echo as the words bounce of the earplugs because if you don’t bow to the holy flag of mask or die, you are merely white noise.
“The focus on anti-masking, anti-vaxxing is really very childish. ”
No kidding. Glad you finally realize it. Does that mean you are finally willing to allow people to follow their doctors instead of mayor deblasio or gov Cuomo? Or will it always be that anyone who doesn’t toe your line is a murderer?
Sure I answered your question. At least once. Meanwhile I’m enjoying all the variations you’ve created of mine, I think we’re up to delta!
Jackk-
Which left wingers argued with infectious disease experts?You had said you would like to let the experts decide, not the right wing media. I meant by my comment that no media (or mayors etc) should be setting the rules from either side. I didn’t realize you were specifically referring to arguing with experts, hence my comment.
Side point- I dispatch for hatzalah. If I put “difficulty breathing” calls out as “choking” I would lose my “job”.
Just sayin’Nice job editing. Seems you have done well to prove point 1.
“but I’m not sure if anyone expected several people (including police officers) to die from it”
That’s good, cuz they didn’t. Please tell me you don’t still think more than one person died. And please don’t tell me Brian was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. An awful lie that some never retracted. Sickos stooping so low to get news.
TLIK – thank you for writing was i was thinking. And so much better than I would have.
Yserbius – two comments for you. 1) the last time I discussed covid with you you were nasty, acused me of being pro death and twisted most of my comments into things I never said so please understand that all other topics are open but I ain’t engaging with you on this one.
2) the comment does not apply to you. I have no recollection of you rewriting religion or rationalizing away halachos or minhagim.“I speak in favor of letting people who have degrees in infections diseases and decades of experience be the deciders.”
Jackk – well said, couldn’t agree with you more. Not sure why you speak as if no left wingers did the same but still…
And frankly, a researchers, scientist or doctor who cannot honestly differentiate between anti vax and anti mandate (even if he refuses to admit such in public) is grossly under qualified.
You’re a smart guy, read through the threads and you’ll see it yourself. Hard to miss.
I am still blown away at the way the very same people who question and dismiss away many aspects of judaism are willing to accept all covid facts with blind faith, even when the facts and stats prove them wrong.
joe Ive got a great career for you. You should ask streets and sanitation if you can be the guy who paints bright yellow lines on all the streets and medians. Keeping divisions bold and alive seems to be a strength and area of interest for you, use it for good.
“Like this is the hill you chose to literally die on?”
I know you will be so sorry to hear this but people aren’t dying in pandemic proportion anymore. Disappointing to you, I know, cuz the reality of the stats on non compliant communities proved you wrong. Tough spot to be in I bet.
I can only assume that GadolHadorah joins me in not being surprised at the response or that ujm jumped in with it first.
“chazal say better to walk behind a lion than a woman ”
Are you aware of how odd it is to insert a comment like this?
Jackk – fair point but I think that’s a different question.
The question was about politicians inciting violence with rhetoric. It’s a question on the ill response of individuals to the words of the politicians.
” I have never smoked, nor do I ever intend to, but I’ve known too many ehrliche yidden who do to be able to dismiss it out of hand as some sort of aveirah.”
Avirah – you contrived this whole post just because of the emotional trigger I copied above. While it is very important to assume ehrliche yidden have reasons for doing things that many have deemed wrong, creating a dissertation on it may be overkill. Your information is off and forced. Better you should have simply posted the above line, and moved on.
Wow Commonsaychel, you sure could be obnoxious when you want to. Her posts weren’t anything like the immature teen posts and her grammar and spelling certainly put yours to shame. Maybe when she grows up she can go thread to thread calling people trolls like you do but meanwhile conversations will just have to suffice.
Woah, pretty rude to a newbie
You missed the boat sir. I wasn’t talking about what non doctors know. I was specifically talking about you, saying that I hope you, specifically, are not a doctor because you can’t see anything except covid and your patients who have other illness would end up dead. Due to your applying covid protocols instead of appropriate treatments.
That’s not a clarification, that’s a completely different message. You didn’t give “additional precautions” you told him to assume he has covid and isolate. And monitor his oxygen levels.
AAQ – I sure hope you aren’t a doctor. I hate to think how many people would die from serious illnesses, ch”v, while you isolate them and monitor their oxygen levels.
Froggie – refuah shelaima
“maybe im hashkafically a frum modern girl.”
I think last time you were a strict chassidishe woman.
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AAQ – these conversations about the halachos have zero to do with this conversation. You have been repeating for months examples that you have loosely translated into being situations of pikuach nefesh just to grab a heter for it First you did it with non deadly covid situations, self paskening the pikuach nefesh even when it wasn’t thus excusing you from minyan, calling a suspicious flight attendant mentally ill so you could pretend it’s pikuach nefesh and thereby excuse you from learning. And when we pointed out this false self paskening you started inserting “maybe ask your rov and get back to us” even when there is no shaila (see above)
We are not having a “disagreement” about the standards or definition of pikuach nefesh. You are simply making stuff up. Pikuach nefesh does not mean someone got sick, someone might get sick, someone is overstressed or someone didn’t check their airvents. Those are situations that you have referred to as pikuach nefesh but are nothing of the sort.
If I decide that people mostly eat peanut butter in sandwhiches so it really should be labeled as containing wheat or containing gluten people would think i was in lala land. This is what you are doing with pikuach nefesh and the incorrect heterim you are putting out there.
” I’m sure the Ebeshter is aware of the concept of the “shortest distance between two points is a straight line” and didn’t necessarily require collateral damage along the way to implement his plan for the world.”
I am sure this conversation is way too big for this thread but… well, I will try it out anyway.
Any reliable poster here who says that there was a gezeira would not be using confident, first hand info. They would be quoting great people who know. Anyone who is using it in any other fashion is just being dramatic.Having said that – there is a concept here that every blade of grass has it’s own malach, every single leaf that falls it’s because Hashem willed it – this concept is saying Hashem is in charge of the game plan. But if you are visualizing the game plan as the big events or the end results, and all the other stuff is just necessary consequences then you are missing the picture.
If you need to get your kid to the doctor ASAP, you are “in charge” of getting him from point A to point B and dinner may get burned or big brother may need to find a ride home etc because you will no longer be available.
With Hashem, it doesn’t work that way. EVERY part of it is point B. Meaning Hashem will bring a horrible tragedy and if there are 5 stops on the way, it is because those were also needed and necessary. There will also be tremendous brachos and miracles on the way, and awakenings and tests and pain and joy. But each thing is planned. They are not obstacles and traffic jams that Hashem got caught in because His GPS didn’t work.
I know many people don’t like the idea of all these tragedies but that is a seperate topic that there ARE those qualified to discuss with you. I am merely trying to explain that if something has/had to happen, so did the things that led up to it, that happened as a result, that avoided happening etc. it isn’t a point A to point B, it is a constant guidance and creation of scenarios to make all of us as a group and as individuals into the very best we can be.
Are you talking to me? Are you seriously trying to tell me that you had to close the sefer because it was midioraisa to do so due to the flight attendants mental health? Are you for real?
“I did not feel like explaining difference between Arabic and Hebrew. I switched to books with more English or math symbols.”
You closed a sefer to appease the gentiles and you don’t see that as a major failure in your outlook/observance?