🍫Syag Lchochma

Having read her excerpts last month, watched her video and read up on Gitty in KJ I may be mushing up my facts so forgive me. I also think I am going to be tangenting a bit but I tend to do that.

I thought about some of the ‘legitamate’ complaints that those women have and their camments about them. And I understand fief saying that OTD people say those things all the time, but what struck me was that if I ever decided to leave, ch’v, because I got sick of the rules or of having such personal things regimented, I don’t think I would have the same thing to say about those rules. I notice that their attitude toward many of these halachos or chumros or even minhagim were without feeling for them or understanding of the spiritual significance and benefit. Yes I have to hold in my zmiros when we have guests, but it isn’t becuase I “cant even sing in front of them lest they enjoy it”, the fact is I have a lousy voice, but the Torah considers it beautiful and worth guarding because it is a female voice. I can sing before my husband because we are one being.

And when we walk around in the summer heat I don’t “have to keep my arms covered no matter how hot it is” I retain my level of tznius because women’s bodies are sacred, even in the summer.

You may not agree with those opinions, but my point is that I have laerned to see the beauty and benefit of this way of life, and I have, like Yehuda Tzvi, chosen a Torah life, not a community, so my friends vary in hashkafa. I was raised MO (maybe, not really sure what that means) and now I’m not. But that was my choice and I feel very strong about it. And I sense none of that from those two writers. I don’t get a sense of any attachment of worth to Hashems Torah either, not just the community. I too wish they would have just chosen a less restrictive life within Torah, but perhaps that missing piece is key to what we need to keep our kids ON.

I Can’t believe it Goq! you won that ‘free week on an amish farm’ raffle! I am so jealous!

Your piece (which I enjoyed, thank you) brought two thoughts to mind. Firstly, my father was an artist and he told me that hands were the most difficult thing to draw. I remember he would take pictures of our hands in different positions when he needed to draw someone’s hands. Why would a hand be more difficult than an eye? I would think a nose would be even more difficult. But maybe it is difficult because it has to capture the essence of the persons intent in their gestures not just the physical structure.

Secondly, not biting the hand that feeds you requires you to admit you are being fed at the hand of ‘someone’ and to stop and think, not about which hand is the one feeding you, but just how many hands are candidates. How many people are involved in you being fed, how many hands to have hakoros hatov to.

Thanks for the inspirational thoughts!

I had my kids names embroidered on their kippas even though they contain those letter combinations, I just told them never to use the bathroom.

**self edited for the benefit of klal yisroel.**

Knacker – I was gonna say the same thing you said but much more politely. I think speakeing that way pretty much defeats the purpose of the post measure for measure.

Crazybrit – c’mon, for Rav Elyashiv’s sake if not all of ours, a little civility. (please)

The faith of every Yid will be tested as we approach moshiach. This was put out there by the Y”H hoping to snag a few more neshamos. We need to be strong in emuna and spread that to others. I’m not sure that the effect on the goyim is the point.

WIY – Yup, water. Horrible heartburn and the bottled is even worse. I tried Kangan water and its got a weird taste but doesn’t hurt at all. Can’t afford it though 🙁

Water used to give me heartburn only when pregnant but now its always.

HaLeivi – I was just laughing at her ‘listen to women’ joke, not involved in conversation at all, in any way.

oomis – 🙂

Not having all your body parts for tchiyas Hameisim is one thing. What you give away when alive is still different from what is a part of a person when they die. Anything with too much blood on it ends up buried. I know that certain IV lines are not removed after death if the contain a certain amount of blood or will cause bleeding. The first time I lost a sister they wanted to take a biopsy after she died and we were told no. I think (I was young so I could be wrong) they got permission for a minimal amount of blood though because there was a need to determine if she had a certain infection, meaning the families health was a concern.

coffee, I expected you to say something about donating your piano too.

mommamia – I believe that sometimes the suffering, when it lasts for decades, is not a test but rather a tikun. Where a neshama had to live out a life without making the mistakes over again and begged Hashem to put him/her in a life where they wouldn’t have the same temptations. For example, a friend of mine had a daughter who had no use of her limbs, a mekubel told her that that neshama wanted to make sure she didn’t use her limbs for bad, as she had in her previous life, and preferred a life where she was assured success. Maybe someone was gluttonous, or promiscuous or wasteful and the neshama begged Hashem to place them in a life that “guarenteed” success. I was taught that we are all shown our lives before we come here and we agree to them as is. I take comfort in that. To me it means that not only Hahsem knows the reason for my pain, but that my neshama knows as well. (Sorry if this was way too much of an answer)

SaysMe – *triple hug and some hot tea*

I don’t understand your question. Please re-state it.

really? or are you returning my silliness?

Wolf – What is? Using the same one, or using the same one?

The power to give others perspective. I think that the lack of perspective is at the bottom of many,many of life’s pains.

popa – are you implying you need to know about something before you can comment on it?

My dad used to say he had the ability to see through walls . . . as long as the curtains weren’t drawn. badum bum.

No, just one or two. I just didn’t think I could volunteer other mothers so I was volunteering the ones I know 🙂

musser zoger – the Michigener Rebbe, isn’t he from Detroit?

Goqie?

ZK – not sure what you were trying to say, sorry.

ZK – I am sorry but I think you are mis reading oomis’s posts, I know you are mis understanding them. While I may not agree with all she says, she is definitely not saying much of what you are attributing to her. And even if she was, Nasty will get you nowhere.