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huh? Are you kidding? Are you saying that if people have a bit of fever they should put on a mask and go into a supermarket? You must really have guzzled that koolaid. In the real world, if people are sick they stay home. They don’t put on useless masks and expose crowds of people while pretending they aren’t.

Reb E – please, why do you feel a need to comment so much on people spelling mistakes ? Your posts are not without spelling and grammar errors and it never even occurs to me to call you out on it.
This isn’t English class, people are typing on phones and the edit option is barely functional. There are a lot of people out there with really poor written expression who get enough disapproval in real life that they don’t need it here too.

Well. That sure sailed right over your head. Anyone willing to help me out?

Besalel and Philosopher – Thank you thank you thank you!
This is exactly what I have been begging Joseph and Avirah for forEVER! A calm, respectfully written explanation about what is wrong, why we cannot accept or approve without appeasing or mincing words. I KNEW it could be done, thank you for doing it.

One more point to add to the above, how sad that this perverted view of Shabbos services gets blasted across the world. Perhaps its a lesson we can take upon ourselves to make shabbos a day mei-ein olam habo, instead of just a break in our work week perhaps

Avirah – I think you misunderstand what she (and others) meant by creepy. It isn’t about men not being allowed to discuss tznius, as ujm tried to claim, nor is it about menm speaking about all sorts of subjects. The creepy factor is what Avram said, that men speaking about women’s bodies, their reactions to it or distraction by it is not an appropriate discussion to be had in mixed company. If you approached my daughter and told her you found her skirt distracting, you would be asked to leave whatever setting you found yourself in.
One creepy predator in our community was giving a group of young girls a ride home from a wedding. In the car on the way home he had a tape playing of a shiur of proper mikvah preperations. Are you going to tell me it’s halacha so no problem?
Creepy

What percentage of those tznius threads did you start, not necessarily as ujm?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

“Now you need awareness campaign for people who are “having a flu” to use the tests. ”

why? You can call up almost any doctors office and tell them you are sick and want to be tested and they will tell you there is no point, it doesn’t matter. Are you in the position to override the medical professionals (again)? or do you just know something none of the doctors know?

you would do well to either not talk about things you don’t know, or do your homework before lecturing. I am not sure how much enjoyment you get out of painting the learning community as a bunch of illiterate people with fake diplomas they printed against the wishes of the community, or that they have sub par professional skills and can’t write. Your alternate reality is pathetic. And you accomplish only destruction by spreading your presumptions. Saying disgusting lies about a community of people with a smile on your face makes it no less lethal. Perhaps you are too worried about covid and masks to see how badly you treat and talk of others. And then deflect and deny and pretend it never was said. I can already identify which sentence fragment you will choose to pull out of this paragraph to over focus on in order to make the rest of it go away.

Reb Shlomo – thank you for popping in to contribute. I doubt you are an apikores but as I’m sure you know, you’re never too old to make changes! 😉

Jackk – hi. I have read not one post on this thread and am not here to join the conversation. I wanted to contribute to you personally some info given to me by health care providers (first hand) in one of the biggest health care systems in my area. It is in response to this line of yours that was quoted to me by someone involved in this topic:
“As of this week, about 1,800 Americans a day are dying of Covid; the C.D.C. expects that number to rise above 2,600. Virtually all are adults. If 95 percent were unvaccinated… “

I was in the hospital recently for a procedure and spoke to several health care workers, some who worked the covid units from the beginning. Here is what I was told. The patients dying of covid right now are not dying of covid, they are dying with covid. Covid is not the cause of the fatalities right now. Also, the reason so many unvaccinated are dying (and this was said by someone who advocates for vaccines, as do I) is because many with comorbidities are unable to vaccinate and it is also that reality that leaves them ill in the hospital, with or without covid. He did not say there are no people who are unvaccinated who are sick from covid, but he said that there are very few who are very sick because of covid, that the percentage of unvaxxed to vaxxed is closer to 60-40 and that covid is not sending people to the ICU, intubation or ECMO.
These individuals who I spoke to are PRO vaccines, do not understand anyone ever turning one down, but they said that the portrayal of what is actually going on inside the walls of the hospital has not been realistic from day one (read: under either administration)

Avirah – you claim to be a teacher. Please let me appeal to your teacher side. I will do my best to speak softly so I don’t trigger anything but please listen.

It is obvious that you have a deep hatred for Modern Orthodoxy. It comes out loud and clear in some very harsh tirades. Here’s what I am asking of you. Boys like the OP have no clue what you are talking about. As you know, they are brought up to do what they are doing and many of them strive to be “proud Jews” in the manner they are taught expecting other frum people to be proud/impressed or at least accepting. The boys in these schools have no knowledge of all these haskala issues and background and unfortunately when their questions are met with vitriol it is a horrible sign of lack of personal acceptance and turn-off.

I am not saying your information is wrong, but your approach is most certainly wrong if you approach a boy who may be doing his best to stay shomer mitzvos AS IT WAS TAUGHT TO HIM and you spew disrespect and contempt. If this boy takes your attitude and chooses to stay far away from yeshivas filled with “people like you”, then consider yourself to be responsible for the death of a soul. Because you never know what he could have learned, and who he could have become. Nobody walks into a place that feels that way about him and says, “Hey, maybe I’ll give it a try”. Please, be more observant of your surroundings, take note of your audience, be sensitive of the question behind the question. Please.

One of the things that makes the monsters target an individual is their vulnerability. They look for people who don’t feel like they have a support system, don’t have a strong kesher with their parents or don’t seem likely to seek help. I want to add that that does not mean they don’t have a support system or parents who care, it just means that they don’t feel it is a place for them to go. The more you let your kids know you are there for them and the more you actively seek out info from them about their lives, the greater the chance they will not appear so vulnerable.

Again, it’s not to blame anyone, it’s a recommendation to lower the chances.

Yes, the Torah is the manual of the world. That doesn’t mean you can extend that to any odd scenario that applies to car manuals.

There have been some phenomenal drashas on this by several very chashuv Rabbeim who minced no words at all. I would give details but ujm wants to pretend it never happened even though Rav Shternbach strongly disagrees. There are several others as well. And they discuss the books, the evidence, the lashon hora excuse and the need to not let this go. It’s very encouraging, and instead of blabbering that nothing is ever done, go listen to them, give them credit for what is said, and get your tuchus over to someone who can help you work on a solution. Sitting around and bad mouthing everyone for not doing anything until now may make you feel better than them but you need to do something.

And a small thing that may help is to stop taking every thread asking about what to do next and turning it into a discussion about CW and the community’s complacency.

“If someone learns and then davens for parnasa – could someone who works whole day and does not learn daven to become a Talmid chochom? Is reciting brochos on Torah a good segulah? Which day of the year is the best? Asking for a friend.”

If someone spends their days and nights serving their father, waiting on him, filling his cupboards, cooking and serving him food, respecting and honoring him in ways that make him happy you can be sure the father will make sure he is cared for and has his needs met. His love and appreciation for his son’s devotion will bring him to keep him fed and clothed. But if you tell your father that you don’t have time to tend to him, ask about him or do what makes him happy because you are too busy stuffing your pockets, stomach and closets, you will have no reason to expect anything, and should not have the chutzpah to ask for anything.

ps – as always your negative attitude toward full time learning is disgusting and comes out in so many ways in your posts that i wonder why most of what you submit is approved.

2scents – thank for that. I always respect your medical postings and to hear information without political jargon is a rare and welcome treat. I don’t remember if you mentioned what area of medicine you practice but you sound knowledgeable and level headed which means your patients will probably get the treatment they need whether you are rooting for it or not. Hashem should bentch you with only success!

social tip – if you want to post something non controversial you will have to leave covid behind. Since you are still holding that masklessness leads to murder, and people who aren’t vaxxed should be left to die by the medical professionals unless they bring their own vent (as if that is a current covid priority) your posts on the topic of covid may never qualify as such.

AAQ – the medical experts said that it is not an issue. I have spoken to many first hand, so I could get real life info. They did not say *way less*. You are adding that in because you don’t like to think you may have erred or spoken out of turn. We are talking about quarantining for this round of covid. We were not talking about last year or other issues people may have seperate from covid that effect their lungs. If you were talking about other issues you would have said, “and don’t forget to check your blood sugar and take your vitamins”.

You seem to be having some trouble letting go of covid’s terminal illness status and combined with not wanting to accept information from anyone else as a possibility, you seem to have dug yourself into a hole.

or maybe they aren’t covid positive. Our high school started midterms already finished from their rolling cases and absences, no need to paint everyone negatively.

Your responses are always full of anecdotes from pepole you passed on the street and statistics you read about in the newspaper or from jen psaki and when it goes against things I have actually heard from the doctors, nurses and other health care professionals your response is to explain reexplain the statistics and anecdotes. You are not and never really have been open to hearing anything but your own side of things. Even when things have changed in the world and the stuff you read and hear is obsolete. You feign the desire for open dialogue but you are so closed to anything anyone tells you that it has become obvious that it is just smoke and mirrors. You can’t keep living in March 2020 and telling everyone that covid still has the same fatality rate it did back then.

The facts don’t support your theories. The people who didn’t follow your advice did not fall into the fate you predicted. Your hypothesis didn’t pan out. Instead of facing that possiblity and sincerely exploring it, you rub your eyes and delete the input, and then come up with odd and twisted ways for all the doctors i spoke to to really be aliens.

” Buy your own ventilator.”

you have just proved yourself a troll.
you may be unaware but the current run of covid, according to more reliable sources, is not putting people on ventilators. There are sick people on ventilators who may or may not have covid. Some of them are on vents because the stupid hospitals ignored their non covid issues and let them rot and now they are suffering the consequences. Don’t believe every hyped up media report you can find that tells you that the hospital is filled with the unvaxed (fake news) or that people are using up the vents BECAUSE of covid. Especially since you have a tendency to wish death on anyone who you feel is standing in the way of your potential health care, which is a worse aveirah than most of what you look down your nose at.

“Having a yetzer hora doesn’t mean one isn’t a good therapist.”

Correct. But not having control when a patient is vulnerable does.

Yehudis – if that’s true then I apologize. I wonder, then why you chose that wording. People advocated for masks and were heros, or they were selfish and killed people? I met more “health afvocates” in that second category than among the non advocates. In all honesty, I only have met 2 people who are anti mask (versus anti mandate) and one I of them I only met here. I think that category was invented by people like Yserbius and AAQ to develop and foster division for reasons I will never understand. While they call me a murderer, I proudly displayed a “heros live here” sign planted on my lawn by people who define it differently.

I didn’t give a third option, as you know, and as I already asked you to stop quoting me I have to assume you are doing it deliberately. Please stop quoting or referencing things I said as you can’t seem to get them straight.

wait… lemme guess. You see yourself as a hero and not egotistical and selfish caring only about your own opinion? Or was there a third option there that I missed?