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Hey moski!!!!!! Long time no seeeeee!
yytz – well said.
Hey RB, grab this rope and I’ll pull you out.
The way it was explained/taught to me is that if Hashem wants you to have something, you put in hishtadlus to actualize your bakasha, and at the same time you understand that it is Hashem’s doing and not yours that decides.
It isn’t about “upsetting” G-d by doing His job, it is a matter of thinking that it really is in your hands after all and more hishtadlus would make it a better chance.
When you say you want to achieve your objective, the question is, do you really want to achieve YOUR objective, or do you want what Hashem believes is good for you? Should He give you things because you asked, or do only that which is best?
Hishtadlus, as I understand it, is about putting forth the effort to show yourself and Hashem that you are not expecting open miracles (something for nothing), but putting in repeated efforts may just be a show of thinking the efforts are the source. When the Rabbi said that you ‘could if you want’, I think he was assessing where you were at (as you asked) and assumed that if you did not put in more effort/hishtadlus, you may worry, ultimately, that a negative outcome was due to lack of effort and he was sparing you that anxiety.
I know it is hard to squish such a ‘big’ subject into a small space so I may not have been too clear, but I figured I would make my hishtadlus and hopefully Hashem will make it understood 🙂
Can whomever is using HaLeiVi’s screen name please return to your own.
lol
It isn’t always a response to bad behavior. I just heard R’ Schechter say that it could be a hachana. The impetus for chessed and tefillos to guard us from future happenings (that we hopefully lived up to). He obviously supported it well and said it better than I could, but I thought it was nice to hear a more positive thought.
try FBI and fingerprinting
As long as you read it. Internalizing is optional at this stage.
woops, wrong screen name
You seem to have left out a line
I guess its back.
Health – you have got to be kidding. Health problems that would make them legally liable? This isn’t about health issues. This is about people emptying their closets and storage bins into a truck and calling it helpful.
For the last month I have been so impressed with how beautifully you have controlled your comments towards others and decreased your angry hurtful comments. I hope it is something you will again consider.
btw – New Jersey isn’t as far from NY as it may seem.
SO glad that disappeared.
coffee – I was right about something?!? I don’t even see a post of mine here.
I know. But I don’t know what your answer was supposed to mean. Nothing hit any nerves. And I don’t know what you meant by ‘other’.
Cuz he has a cold front and is full of hot air
I’m still having trouble with the fact that a Rov would give out that much information.
Which other statement hit a raw nerve?
Huh?
BaalHabooze – Love it!
HaLeivi – since this is obviously not you using your screen name these days, who have you given it over to?
mammaleh – thanks
Poster, you are correct that if they have an abundance they should only take the new stuff. I work in a gmach that is VERY selective because they are fortunate enough to have the selection. What made some of us feel bad was not that they didn’t need our stuff, it was that we were given the impression that even though they have NOTHING, they are still being picky. Knowing they are turning it down due to an overflow is awesome and not an issue for me at all.
“I have a feeling that most people here don’t care to read a thread like this, so I really appreciate it when people do.”
Well that’s not very Avraham like ;}
I think lots of people here read these threads but they don’t require a response so you don’t get the zchus of knowing about it. I appreciate the different perspective, it is always amazing to me to hear something new on a story that I thought I knew so well. And if you came up with that yourself then Kol HaKavod.
You are only young once, but you can be immature forever!
WIY – I agree with you when you are giving to someone who had money and lost it. I think it is different when people are in crisis, homeless and have no possessions to their name. That is not a time to be selective, it is a time to make sure they are warm and clean. When the urgency is gone we can go back to catering to each ones needs in particular. Unless people a) aren’t quite as desperate as we’ve been told, or b) they have been fortunate enough to get so much clothing that they can afford pick and chose.
(I am obviously still referring to used but very respectable)
As far as what I would want for myself, in this type of emergency situation I can hardly imagine myself worrying about whether or not something was worn before.
blabla – I am so sorry.
call shomrim or misaskim or ask some hatzolo guy in shul if he knows who you should call (I really mean that, not sarcastic). If you can’t get the numbers I will try to get them online somewhere.
AMEN!!
AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
daniela – I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. If you are forcing yourself to keep silent, and you are sure, somehow, that other anonymous posters are too, than why bother reading. I too chose to skip threads that bother me so. But I do not agree with you. And I wouldn’t assume that many others do either. I don’t know what the “truth” is, but I don’t know why you insist it is your job to push for it. As a mom of many teens I have found WOW’s parenting to be different than mine but it isn’t suspicious. On the other hand, I have found your comments to be very well intended but they strike me strongly as coming from someone who does not have children, regardless of whether or not you do. Perhaps the facts don’t add up because they are coming from a different viewpoint, and not because they are missing truth? Either way, I am sorry for answering back, I have been restraining myself because it is a mitzvah to be silent when our words of truth will not be well received, but instead of trying to help, you sound (to me, at least) as if you are angry that your opinions are not being regarded and I worry that your tone is hurtful. If that is incorrect than I am sorry.
1)You became a serious Breslover and used all your down time for hisbodedus
2) You were in rehab
3) You moved in with an Amish family, thinking they were heimish, and you thought the internet was down all this time
there are more but last time you asked a question you disappeared for a week without answering so I’m not investing too much time in this yet 😛
yossi – see other thread for response
I sure hope they got the posters up in time for everyone to know about that!
I voted for Mitt in the election box set up in the second grade hallway at my school. The classroom is doing the tallying as we speak.
going where?
I was wondering if they could use some midwesterners to spend a couple days volunteering with shomrim. I have some relatives who would probably do it if they would be allowed to help out. Who would I even ask?
“A bird in the hand, spoils the broth”
nothing like rallying a lawsuit with the name “marbeshalom”
OOM – he won the last election
I agree that the ability to go on some level of vacation, to have cleaning help and to have the potential to eat out are pretty necessary. I don’t think those are luxuries.
If that’s where you are holding then I pray Hashem always bentches you with such.
(that was not sarcastic)
Aries – well said and beautifully articulated. I am surprised, however, that you give her credit for being right when so much of her information was off. Well intended, I am sure, but only at first.
WOW – I give you a lot of credit for being able to answer everyones posts, deserving or not. My skin is not always so thick. Keep up the good work and Hashem should continue to give you strength.
Aries – and thank you, by the way, for the help you have given to me as well.
Oh gosh, jmh, I read it so differently. I thought of it as a mighty tree who was withering inside (perhaps from pain and stress) but all looked at her/him as a mighty tree until death overtook her/him and people found out how empty she/he was inside and how they missed the chance to help because they were disillusioned by the externality.
(Darn, I think I just gave myself away)
I don’t see how you can separate the two (as the above posters also mentioned). My advice was based on the actions of an employer I had for years who was great, and when I used her derech for myself when I managed others it worked very well.
SaysMe – I wish my brain worked like that! There are so many thing I can see that nobody else does (I mean diagnostically, NOT hallucinatory, thank you) and other things don’t occur to me at all. I’ll never get my detective badge 🙁
Be a good listener and always say thank you.
In the public school where I work they have special activities for the children of other religions who chose not to be a part of Halloween activities. It is usually “witnesses” and muslims.
SaysMe – if it was down earlier, it seems to be running now 🙂
I always admire people who have such a strong command of the coffee room that they can quote any passage of any thread and find the connections and inconsistencies from memor – wait, I think I meant Tanach, not the coffee room.
You are hysterical – thanks for the laugh!
Actually, he had me fooled for a minute there too, do you think I should tell the kids?
I don’t mean to be judging them. I am commenting on the actions they took, empathizing with the torn emotions and hopefully encouraging the next person to do differently.