“your “live and let live” attitude is responsible for much destruction in klal yisroel and is in apposition to what gedolim have been trying to change for decades.”

little harsh dont u think? my “live and let live” attitude applies to how others spend their money… not to domestic and sexual abuse, fraud and cheating of non jews and government, and baseless hatred of Jews which NEARLY ALL frum people have an attitude of “live and let live” or “lets just ignore” about, which in my opinion MAY have a little bit more to do with the destruction in klal yisroel then whether someone spends money on designer items or not.

“Your statement “And YES I do think that Rabbis telling people how much to spend on their weddings is completely ridiculous and authoritarian.” gives me an incite into your lack of reverence for our gedolim.”

you’re right. I am not allowed to have an opinion that differs from some rabbonim. next time I will follow blindly without thinking on my own. what was that about destruction of klal yisroel?

your words are very hurtful, but i’m sure hashem doesnt care about that, he only cares that you keep worrying about how people spend their money

idk abt a program but i can def easily create an excel spreadsheet

This thread is moving too fast for me- im replying to things that are there one minute, gone the next.. etc.. so i’m just going to reiterate my first point, and be done with it.

the short answer is its really not your business how other people spend their money.

you’re actually not making me feel guilty or embaressed, because I grew up very poor and dont own a single “very expensive” item. But I’m not suprised that you assumed that anyone who would disagree with you was wealthy themselves.

Women’s shoes.

Almost never have outer tags or a way to distinguish them as a specific brand.

But many women- especially frum- will buy “waste money” expensive shoes.

what do you think their motivation for dropping $500 on a pair of shoes that no one will ever know are designer???

Well obviously your are judging people who spend money on brand name items- how can you deny you’re not???

I just want to point out that Halacha says you should give minimum 10% but maximum 20%.. There are many people out there who even if they give 50% would still have left over.. and then what they choose to spend it on is their own choice and no one else’s business.

Why dont you focus on using your own body and money the way Hashem desires?

I know someone who eats CY in the house, but not out.

Is that common?

” sw33t is a pleasure to have in class”

EVERY SINGLE YEAR

what ever happened to just following the torah?

so sick of all the labels.

None are real anyway.

I think a better ex would be when someone is killed by a drunk driver, the survivors usually blame the driver, not alcohol.

MATH JOKES!!!!!!!

I know that my comments is what prompted this thread.

I want to state very clearly that I do not feel that just because an OTD child becomes successful, that its not as sad or painful. I think it is a loss for the Jewish community all the same.

But I also feel, that if it does happen, the best case scenario would be that the child becomes educated and becomes a productive member of society, as opposed to just wasting away like I’m sure we have all witnessed.

I do understand the other side though, because from what I’ve seen, these people who are OTD but successful, are detached from Judaism on a whole different level. I get it. But I have also seen the other type of OTD people, who create a train wreck out of their lives.. I mean we can all die any second, but a drug addict has a higher chance. Someone hanging out on the streets at 4am has a higher chance..

Does nobody see my point?? … I guess I understnad if you dont.. it is just how I feel.

Crisis of the week: It is not good news that the OTD kids are getting a decent education now that they are off the derech and out of yeshiva.

Because later on they get married to goyim. Not good news. 🙁

I dont understand this at all. And I do not see the connection.

It used to be that many OTD kids became drug addicts, unable to hold jobs, and generally unproductive members of societies. Now they can get educated, get a job and live a good productive life- but not religious. Not trivializing observance, but do you really think that’s a worse outcome??

some points…

1- this swiet username is confusing

2-non heimish companies are MOST likely to do a background check, and every job I’ve held has done so, even when my position was only an intern.

3-most people who are succesful without college degrees own some sort of business (a good ex of this is all the diamond dealers on 47th st). But if you dont want to have a business and have a career, you need a degree to even be considered.

4-have you heard of bulka college?

Last, I really think it will be good for you to finish. For job prospects, and to know that you completed something. From my first semester I wanted to quit college. I hated it and felt like it was getting me nowhere. After I graduated and didn’t have a job straight away I felt like I had wasted four years of my life- so trust me, i’ve been there. But in the end, things fell into place and I know now that quitting would have been so so stupid.

“Just say, she’s too fat. Then she’ll be motivated to lose weight and she’ll go on a diet and become skinny and marry someone else. Have a nice day and please stop posting boring threads about all the fat girls that get suggested to you. “

This is amazing. +10000000

Srotin: confused about your repeated references on “staying true to BY”

I’m assuming you mean that staying true to BY means becoming a secretary, OT, PT, ST, or an accountant-only if you work in a small brooklyn office?

Also I know someone who works for the gov. She is very frum, and a math genius. I dont think she ever works on Shabbat, and I cant imagine she ever would without a heter from a very credible rav.

LOL

BUMP

!!!!!!!!!!!

Health:

Like I orginally said, I think that the main difference between college brainwashing and Jewish school brain washing is that in college I had the ability and the CHOICE to just write what the prof wanted to hear and move on with my life. If I disagreed with what they said- it’s because I have a different opinion. In Jewish schools I often felt like if i disagreed with what a teacher was saying that meant there was something “differnt”, “bad”, or “wrong” with me.

and no, I was not a trouble maker kid. I pretty much never debated anything with my teachers, and I excelled in all my “hebrew” classes. This was just a subconsious feeling that I had, as a result of being part of the system which brainwashes you into believing that everyone has to think and act the same. Again, I had this both in the BY and MO school I went to- this crosses all sects of orthodoxy, I am not picking on the BY system. I do not regret going to any of the schools I went to, I loved all of them, and I dont mind that I got brainwashed by them, I dont even think its their fault, its just a product of our community, but I refuse to look back on my life and deny that I was brainwashed.

maybe I’ve just had a different experience then everyone else,

but whenever I took a college course where the professor pushed ideas- and that was NOT in many of my classes, [the only ones I can think of were history, poli sci, and sociology, out of the 150 credits i graudated with]I just tuned them out, wrote what they wanted to hear on exams, and moved on with my life.

and as per college,

yes, some professors do push their views on you.

but unlike in the Jewish education system, you are not required to believe, let alone follow, any of them.

props to crisis of the week for thinking of the funniest possible response…

I’m a girl and I’m at work today.. I would gladly have come in yesterday and had today off!!!!!!!!!

Also, I use all my vacation days on just Chagim. any “erev” or “chol hamoed” i start losing money… and from what I understand,most people are in the same boat..