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ItcheSrulik: She always did. First hand knowledge. (Also, if it weren’t the case, that would have been well known.)

The Rambam also writes she shouldn’t be a prisoner in her home. Therefore, writes the Rambam, her husband should allow her to visit her father, etc. once or twice a month. Like gavra wrote, the halacha is based on Kol Kevuda Bas Melech Penima.

coffee: It’s okay to look at pritzus if that wasn’t the purpose of your visit or intent? (If even before you came, you knew it would/might be there.)

golden mom: If you cause someone to be oiver, you are putting a “stumbling block” in front of them, which is assur for you to do. Even if you tell yourself you are only putting it on for yourself, you are still being ???? ???? every time you pass a man in the street who can smell it.

I think it’s pretty obvious perfume for a man (or cologne or whatever it’s called) is assur. For a married woman, its muttar at home, not when her husband is away and she is shopping or when she goes to work.

In Brooklyn you can have over 100 frum people living just on your block alone! Out of town you can sometimes hardly have that many frum people in your entire town, depending on how big it is. So the comparisons are irrelevant. When the 101st person moves on the block, it is not always noticeable just by the nature of how many people live there, plus there is constant moving in and out that it isn’t practical for 100 people on the block to come with a cake every time a new person moves in every other week or month.

You started a trend.

bein: What are the reasons?

Rav Shimon Schwab zt”l, Rov of Rav Hirsch’s kehilla said (Selected Essays, p. 89):

Conservatives in the United States, in general, are pro-Israel. When someone in their ranks even is slightly not pro-Israel they tend to throw them out i.e. Buchanan and Duke were forced out of the Republican Party and unto third-party candidacies.

OTOH, Liberals are less pro-Israel and even fully accept anti-semites in their ranks, like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Cynthia McKinney, etc.

RSRH is the antithesis of MO.

Even non-frum Kohanim are careful about the halochos of not going to funeral homes and cemeteries.

Non-Frum? Really?

The Food Stamp program does not care how much assets you own in determining eligibility. You can own a Lexus and have very little income, and qualify for food stamps.

If you have an issue with that, take it up with your legislature or Congressman. Not the fully legally eligible participants who qualify and receive benefits.

Here is some more from the Rov of the Torah Im Derech Eretz kehilla, Rav Schwab zt”l (Selected Essays pp.160-162):

In the secular world people also start college at 18.

Rabbosai, ich mein az der “op” du iz ah bissel tzidreit.

He’s the best candidate by far.

Nobody is questioning the fact that there are people who would be willing to be MO or not religious at all. The issue is, What is MO and is it the preferable mode of Judaism? The fact that it is, to some, the only version or the maximum that they are willing to accept does not address the issue at hand. If Modern Orthodoxy would be a Kiruv stage for people who aren’t yet ready for real Torah life, that would be fine. The problem is that they consider themselves not a b’dieved, but a l’chatchilah – a full fledged legitimate lifestyle. They often even make claims of being superior to Torah Judaism. That is the problem – compromises sometimes have to be made for individuals who are on their way up. But to take those compromises and make believe they are not compromises at all, thereby fooling people who WOULD be able to go higher that they need not, or worse, that they are already the highest, is a terrible crime. While it is true that on an individual, private level, we are allowed to even proactively cause someone to sin if by doing so we will have prevented him form committing a greater sin, nevertheless, we may never, ever institutionalize those sins, making a b’dieved into a l’chatchilah, making the exception into the rule.

minyan gal: You seem to know Yiddish a bit. Are you fluent?

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How does the Keshef Mishna answer the Raavad’s kasha?

MP: In the Yeshivish community such “compliments” would constitute hitting and would not go down well.

Which husband takes out the garbage? None that I know.

There is no definition to MO. It means anything anyone wants it to. The common denominator is that they incorporate into their system of values – good/bad right/wrong worthwhile/worthless – those things that the goyim value, as opposed to regular Orthodox Jews who only value what the Torah says is valuable. We use the Torah’s value system as opposed to non-Jewish value systems.

Their valuing of non-Jewish ideals has led them to violate the Torah in frightful ways. They have incorporated into their normative behavior various strains of mingling of the genders – everything from plain friendships to mixed swimming or dancing – depending on how “modern” orthodox they are; heretical and idolatrous ideas such as zionism is endemic in their communities; recently, several modern orthodox rabbis have come out stating that they believe in evolution, and/or at the very least, that one may believe in it; the belief that certain statements of Chazal are false; and those movies, by the way, are prohibited as well per the law of moshav leitzim; and the whole secular-education-not-only-for-parnasah-but-as-a-means-unto-itself is against an open halachha as well. There is more.

In other words, they will, as a community, trample on the halochos that modern society doesn’t like: “fundamentalist” beliefs, separation of the genders, and discriminating (sic) against women (such as their teaching gemora to girls, another open violation of halachah).

In places where the Torah does not conflict with the values of modern society, such as how much moror to eat on pesach or how many times to daven each day, they will, as a rule, not bother to rebel.

And its not just kulos. They have made-up chumras as well, where being machmir is demanded by their goyishe value system. For example – those rabbis who will tell you everyone is obligated to move to Eretz Yisroel – which is a result of nationalistic ideals, not Torah ones – or when a “scientific” breakthrough supposedly enlightens us to new discoveries that our grandfathers were unaware of – there you will find the modern orthodox jumping at a chance to be machmir… as in techeiles.

Their religious behavior is driven by goyish values mixed with religion, and results in a grotesque hybrid of illegitimate leniencies and baseless chumras – and which extreme positions they will take on both ends of the spectrum are as predictable as the sun: where goyishe values of ideals enter, thats where youll find their halacha “opinions.”

They’ll cherry pick, out of context if need be, what they want from whom they want, once again, not based on Torah principles but on goyishe values. So they’ll say they Rav Samson Raphael Hirsch believed one should have secular knowledge (they distort his position terribly), but when you tell them the same Rav Hirsch considered zionism to be heresy they’ll point you to Rav Kook; yet when you tell them that Rav Kook believed women shouldnt have public position – and they shouldnt even be given the right to vote – theyll say they dont follow him on that.

There was no “modern orthodox” leaders that created their movement the way l’havdil the Baal Shem Tov started Chasidus or Rav Yisroel Salanter the Musser Movement. Instead, modern orthodoxy is just a bunch of people who like what the goyim think and do, and to one extent or another, morph Judaism to fit in, and then they spend their time putting major effort into figuring out what modern orthodox means.

My choice of words was indeed deliberate as was your choice of beating up on the Jew.

“Independent” – Why are you picking on the Jew company? Tropicana makes a light (watered down) Orange Juice and charges the same price as the regular Orange Juice. Many other companies do the same with other drinks. But they aren’t Jew companies, so don’t bother them.