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LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!
To paraphrase a famous rhetorical quote (from the 1980 election, in case there are some young ‘uns here who don’t have secular subjects in school):
“Are you better off than you were 10 months ago?”
In this case “you” can refer to anyone, even non-Americans.
Joseph, vayter mit der ‘labeling’?
The 8 year old girl was there to help the old lady in case she needed something. After 2 hours, the lady thought it was too long for such a young girl to be “on duty” and she tried to get her to leave, but the young girl refused to leave until the lady’s granddaughter arrived to take her place.
The purpose is that it enables me to learn for a significant portion of the day and still remain a nistar.
You shouldn’t be thanking me for stopping to pick on you 🙂
I mean, I am really busy, so I’m glad you appreciate that I take the time to stop and pick on you, but I don’t see why you enjoy it.
Joseph, I’m really trying to stop picking on you, but what is Modern Orthodox if not a label?
Maryann, the Professor, the millionaire – all easy.
One big question: who is Gilligan?
Avichai, this is going to be too easy <rubbing hands with glee>
But I don’t have the time right now. There – now it’s in the inbox.
Joseph, how did you find the time to watch TV if you’re blogging here all day?
That reminds me of a good story. In E’Y the daters agree to meet each other in a specific place. So Rochel is standing in the designated spot, watching to see who is coming. Suddenly, a guy walks up to her, smiles, and says “Are you Rochel”? She gets an instant feeling that this guy is not worth a shot, replies “No” and walks home.
Saved herself 3 miserable hours, but she probably had to listen through a “Middos Alert” song coming out of her bag 🙂
I’m taking bets. $50 says this thread gets closed before AZ gets to repeat himself more than 10 times. Any takers?
Joseph
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I think squeak is still jaded and seething that I brought a Rama (and Rav Elchonon Wasserman ZT’L and Rav Boruch Ber Liebowitz ZT’L and Chasam Sofer and Rashba and Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT’L and Rav Aharon Kotler ZT’L) that puts his academic love in a halachicly untenable position.
Good to see you thinking independently for once. You brought a smile to my face with this comment. However, in truth I am not bothered in any way, since I have (and always have had) every form of Halachic authority to validate my academic pursuits. My Rebbeim, Roshei Yeshiva, and other mentors all favored and blessed my secular pursuits (in conjunction with my Kodesh pursuits).
P.S. Homework for you: Look up the word “jaded” and explain why your usage does not make sense in this context.
Joseph – When someone starts yelling and making a fuss over Shabbos or Tsnius, the attention of their target audience is immediately drawn to the bacon sandwich in their hand. Hiding the sandwich behind their back doesn’t fool them, either.
P.S. your penchant for laundering my comments with find/replace and using them as a response is far from cute. It only makes you seem incapable of expressing yourself.
No, Joseph, I am most definitely not incorrect. There is a special kind of irony that comes with the image of a man hurling stones at cars on Shabbos while he munches on a BLT (that’s a bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich for those who may not know).
I think that mybat has said something very worthy of note. The focus should be on praise and acknowledgement instead of criticism and scolding. Women and girls who make an effort and sacrifice to dress in a way that is tsanua should be given hearty praise and lavish approbation for their behavior. This should be done personally and the same idea should be reinforced in general when addressing a group. (The personal praise should be given by women to other women, or by husbands to their wives, or by fathers to their daughters. General praise can be given by anyone, as it is not necessary to notice minutae when speaking in general.) Praise the slightest improvement, and praise every improvement. By giving praise, and not by giving criticism, you will accomplish your goal of increasing tsnius observance.
kapusta, an oldie but goodie 🙂 I think I heard that one 14 years ago.
Joseph, let me me help you put it in context. If someone eats Chazzer, then he should not be the most outspoken voice decrying chillul shabbos.
NY Mom
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…I think that the thrust of the discussion gives validity to your detractors….
Holy mackarel, NY Mom! You. Here. How? Real, intelligent analysis in the CR? Wow!
Next thing you know, we’ll actually be having intelligent debates instead of just saying it.
anon – your experience is by far the norm. It is only a few raving cynics who actually believe that there are no altruitstic doctors. Now, lawyers on the other hand……
I for one am happy that there is no ignore button, or I wouldn’t even get snorts and groans anymore 🙂
This is getting heavy.
The scam is that he thought he could buy a $20 kittel (i.e. an elongated white shirt sans pocket) and take away a day’s pay from the local tachrichim macher. Tough luck pal – you were busted. Cough up the dough now while you still can!
Joseph – there is no disagreement here. I merely pointed out you passed it off as a definition instead of an interpretation.
Unless you can cite some writing of R’ Hirsch or a talmid who explained “why Austritt” as you did, there is nothing to add.
goody, actually the real reason is because none of them realize that the most important thing is what ames said (if you look between her jokes, you’ll find one serious post – the one I am referring to).
I get paid roughly double the salary that I earn as a YW moderator.
Do you want the espionage to stop? I got the idea people here liked it. Even if you say you want me to stop, I can’t promise it will stop.
Jax, who has time to schmooze these days? We’re way too busy with other things to just schmooze 😉
So given the choice of doing laundry on Chol Hamoed and going to a department store on Chol Hamoed, you chose the easier of the two. Just for that, I hope the CR ppl give you a break and don’t yell at you for buying stuff 🙂
Joseph, if you are going to quote R’ Hirsch, you should be careful to quote what they actually said. Austritt is as 600KiloBear described. You explained that you were giving an “interpretation” of the “why” behind Austritt, and not the definition itself, but that is your version as the definition of the term.
I don’t mean to completely undermine everything that you say here. You mentioned a well-known term “Austritt” and then proceeded to go somewhere with it. What exactly is the source of your information about WHY R’ Hirsch called for Austritt?
IMHO, It is most ironic that you should use the words of R’ Hirsch as such in this thread, since misuse of his words is generally thought of as the source of Modern Orthodoxy.
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No, we weren’t discussing it because you understood what I meant.
Why would you need a Shabbos goy if there is an eruv?
mepal, if you’re wise you won’t
Joseph
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mean is the average
Yep, unfortunately that is what I hear from most girls describing the guys they went out with.
(sorry, I just can’t help myself today)
If I may interject, why should Simchas Torah be different from any other day?
Are we to refrain from drinking alcohol on this particular day in order to show that our simcha is really coming from learning Torah? Are we afraid that by drinking, it might show that our simcha really has nothing to do with Torah at all, and therefore we should avoid it?
If not (and I have never heard anyone say that this is the case), then Simchas Torah should be no different from any other day of the year (except Purim) when it comes to drinking.
The mode is 0.
So stop talking already, and pour me another.
Joseph
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They do?? Is it by the Nile at daybreak?
Whoa, buddy. It’s ‘the mods’, not ‘the gods’. Don’t forget that.
Was the picture of a ’54 Buick Roadmaster with mint green trim and white sidewalls? I still miss that car. I was so broken when that happened.
You hate shidduchim? I know the perfect guy for you! He hates shidducim too.
Why only on Simchas Torah?
Now that the cat is out of the bag, there’s just no point trying to hide it anymore. That’s all.
Just-a-guy,
Hey, bad guys sometimes need to do chesed too 🙂
If you can keep track of that, methinks you should be able to keep track of use tax just as well.
42, it’s not important. I added a comma to make a point.
anon, let me know when you’ve tasted some, and give me your opinion 🙂
“There’s trouble with the car,” said the wife. “It has water in the carburetor.”
“Water in the carburetor?” replied the husband. “That’s ridiculous.”
“I tell you, the car has water in the carburetor.”
“You don’t even know what a carburetor is,” said the husband. “I’ll check it out. Where’s the car?”
“In the pool.”
starwolf
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you need a doctor, do you think that he or she should not have pursued his or her knowledge for its own sake? The best ones do, you know.
Joseph
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I don’t believe that for a moment. They studied the material for the sake of practice, not for the sake of knowledge alone.
Joseph, you have no clue. Either that, or you are creating a distinction that does not exist outside of the hypothetical theatre of your own mind. I don’t know what you mean by studying for the sake of practice, unless you meant that the only reason doctors study in medical school is so that they can do their job. This is far from true.
Intellectuals and academics do study for the sake of the knowledge, in any field of study. Many doctors are in fact, altruists (and I think you are in the minority if you have trouble agreeing with this), and many of them are academically interested in knowledge of the human body. I would include myself in this category, despite the fact that I am not a doctor. I can only assume that you have never experienced an academic thirst for knowledge.
Your statement was wrong, and no amount of distortion on your part can change that. It was also off topic, because I believe we were discussing from a pure Torah standpoint.
From a pure Torah standpoint, you are also wrong. Knowledge is allowed, encouraged, and central to Torah Judaism. In the Mishna it lists 4 questions that may not be asked. It does not forbid other academic pursuits. In the Torah it says “ki yish’alcha bincho mochor lai’mor mah zos”. Meforshim interpret this quite broadly. It is an extremely recent philosophy amongst Torah jews that says the entire purpose of the world is to distract and tempt the Jew and the entire purpose of the Jew is to shut out the world (in fact, it sounds like the dogma of a certain other religion). Until a few hundred years ago, this philosophy never existed. To say that it is the one true Torah viewpoint is fallacious and close-minded (not surprising, considering). This philosophy emerged only as the collective faith of religious Jews started to falter in the face of enlightenment. It was to save Jews who would otherwise be lost. But the original true Torah viewpoint is that the world is here for us to enjoy and appreciate and elevate. I eagerly admit that in the present age a Torah Jew should not follow this path without a proper mentor (a ben torah, baal yiras shomayim) – but I contend that this was always the case. Proper mentors today, however, are rare and getting rarer (thanks mostly to the yeshivish movement).
For you to say that a Jew has no right to learn for the sake of learning, or for self-actualization, or to limit this to the study of ancient texts alone is completely off the mark. I encourage you to follow the philosophy that you have been brought up with, however – I take umbridge at your callous attack (made in ignorance) at academia at large. As a academic (and formerly a university academic), I am offended by your attitude. I would encourage you to educate yourself on the subject before commenting, but that advice would be self-defeating 🙂 🙂 🙂
I have said everything I want to say on the subject. I will not discuss this further.
Joseph – my washer is very big. And I am very teensy. So there’s really no problem. Thanks for checking.
Jax – you know the finer stuff!
Joseph – B”H I am holding by the former (getting older).
Wolf, I did read your comment out of context. I was replying to your statement as though it were a rhetorical question.