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I would be very interested to hear your explanation of why you thought it would be disproven. I always thought the opposite.
You may or may not know of an old short story about the mathematician who “sells his soul” to the devil if the devil can prove or disprove the theorem in 3 days. The story ends with the devil returning after 3 days and admitting he did not solve the puzzle, but then shows the mathematician his notes and says, “Now if I could just prove these two lemmas….”
Ever since I first read the story (I saw it in a 1950’s magazine, but it may not have been the first time it was published) I have had an interest in the theorem.
Because popa thinks we should all break park benches when we sit down?
Dr. P, from reading the story (funny, though confusing) I would still say that you meant trying to prove the theorem, not disprove.
If there’s a sequel, what are you waiting for? A promise for a second blurb?
popa_bar_abba
Rabbi-in-training
Sometimes the YWN coffee room makes my blood boil. Like the potching thread.
May I suggest yoga?
Max, it wasn’t that long ago. Fermat was, but not the formal proof.
BTW, the gemara is Bava Kamma 37b.
trying to disprove Fermats Last Theorem
There’s your problem, Dr. Pepper! I’m guessing these dates happened before my formal proof of said theorem was accepted in the mathematical community. Numerical analysis has been booming ever since.
popa- as it turns out, the name suits you perfectly. Now that you’ve discovered Chanan Bisha, you know that popa bar abba is only the second funniest character in the gemara. Hochi nami, in the coffeeroom.
I wonder if I have to change my screen name now to Chanan Bisha, or if everyone will realize who the funniest is.
Two goldfish are in a tank.
One says to the other, “You man the guns, I’ll drive”.
Josh31
Conqueror of Jericho (and 30 other cities)
According to some there is only one life cycle event that a woman is allowed to be the center of attention:
The Levayah (funeral)
…and even then, she is not seen
One Mashgiach that I know (who is a Gadol B’Torah and B’Midos) decided that he needed to attend a mixed seating event for exactly the reason you mentioned – not causing hurt to the family. He ignored the table number on his place card and sat at the children’s table since, as he said, “I do not want to socialize with men and women, but I do not mind socializing with children”.
There are ways to do what is right and still not compromise your own values.
squeak: does any rov equate tv = filtered internet (i.e. jewish sites like yw only)? That is an invalid equation.
Yes, as a matter of fact. Up until 2-3 years ago, the mainstream “yeshivish” position was absolutely no internet. It was only recently that the tide turned.
popa,
I have come to respect what you say here, which is why I am very surprised to read what you wrote.
I assure you that I did not “invent” what I said. My mistake was only in thinking that what I was told about this was common knowledge amongst those who have learned the inyannim. I stand by what I said as far as I myself am concerned, but I will gladly desist from offering anything to this conversation.
BTW, swimming is a great way to lose weight, so if you’re OK with going maybe you’ll be able to sit on benches again 🙂
GAW, I’m not sure where in your citation it says that swimming is kalus rosh. But the point is moot – if it is kalus rosh or something else, we are agreed on the main point I believe.
If I am difficult for you to deal with, I apologize for my thick-headedness.
swimming is a form of “Kalus Rosh”.
Is that supposed to be a pun? When I am swimming 50 laps and only drawing a breath every 6th stroke, I do feel a bit lightheaded. If so, I agree.
If you meant frivolity, I disagree completely. Swimming is not = playing Marco Polo.
SJS, don’t be cowed. “Asei l’cha rav” is a standalone statement. The clause about defending your rav’s position to other people is oddly missing from the mishna.
Now, I would be perturbed if my rav endorsed having/watching TV (he does not), but to be perfectly honest- up until recently he railed against having/using internet. It is only recently that he (and many other mainstream rabbonim) began to see the need for it, and switched tacts to railing against unfiltered internet. The analogy here is twofold:
1) Your rav may be able to see a need for TV that other rabbonim do not
2) Your opponents here are disloyal to their respective rabbonim’s psak of TV=internet. They violate the internet part, and yet they have the gall to rail at you for the TV part.
OK, I thought it was clearer than that, but I’m happy to spell it out. A husband and wife are at times prohibited from sharing a bed, since it is kiruv l’arayyos (KLA), even if both sleep wearing full nightclothes. At times, but not at all times (I hope that is clear enough). If you hold that mixed swimming carries an intrinsic issur (of KLA), then the same issue applies.
IOW, exactly what you have been saying all along (that at times husband and wife may swim together).
Wolf, read my previous post. I think it wraps up the entire issue nicely.
Haha, I missed that! One should only be allowed to….
Lounge in a lounge-chair
Smoke in a smoking jacket
EDITED in a windbreaker
Beat wives in a wife-beater
etc.
But kids? Nothing suitable that I can think of.
To those asking for a source, I believe I gave one. Kiruv l’arayyos. This is D’oraysa. You are free to dispute that mixed swimming = kiruv l’arayyos, as I do not know of an explicit source in Halacha, but this is the issur involved (if you accept that it is assur in and of itself).
I brought the example of sleeping in the same bed because that is an example of kiruv l’arayyos used in Shulchan Aruch. FTR, the SA says explicitly “afilu hu b’vigdo v’hi b’vigda”, i.e. even if both parties are fully dressed the issur applies. That is an exact quote.
Regarding a father/daughter, the SA does not specify an age limit but rather a sign of the time (when the father would be embarrassed to undress before her, it becomes a problem, until that point it is not).
Post of the year contest anyone?
Since no votes were cast for the 2009 POY (only nominations) I say the topic is dead.
Let’s end this foolishness once and for all.
Mixed swimming/bathing may be assur, but it is not an issur (I call on Wolf here to help explain the difference as with Tamei/Tumah).
Let’s set aside for the moment the issue of tsnius and shmiras einayyim. There is still another issur that prohibits mixed swimming. It is kiruv l’arayyos – the same issur that prohibits sharing a bed. Armed with that knowledge, one can start to understand the distinctions:
- A father and daughter may share a bed until a certain age/time that is explicitly stated in Halacha.
- Two men may share a bed since it is explicitly stated in Halacha that they are not nechshad l’arayyos.
- A blind man is no different from a pikayach when it comes to sharing a bed because the issur has nothing to do with sight.
The same applies for swimming.
You bet. Max doesn’t “shop” for kulos.
yitzy99
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I wonder if dress should be appropriate for one’s climate. Does it make sense for an Eskimo to go out with a short sleeved shirt and no hat in winter. Does someone living in the Amazon need to go about his daily chores in a fur coat? Does being overdressed in New York City on a hot August day contribute to fatigue and lack of energy to go about one’s daily tasks?
So the Bnei Yisrael left Mitzrayyim and walked through the Tundra? Or were they walking through the desert in shorts?
🙂
Nice of you to own up. After all, emes is emes
Instead, the medine is now THE NUMBER ONE cause of ANTI-SEMITISM throughout the world.
Not the cause – it is the lightning rod.
Roughly speaking,
what “nerd” is to sciences
what “geek” is to technology
what “dweeb” is to appearances
“harry” is to frumkeit
The term does not reflect well on the user.
SJSinNYC
Member
Most of the Bat Mitzvah’s I’ve attended in the last 10-15 years have been all girls and women. No men allowed.
And I have the exact opposite experience. Every single Bat Mitzvah that I attended (ever) had both men and women.
You’re right. Probably a deleted post or two besides hers.
tomim tihye
Member
Squeak, my bar-shaped table is presumably of the same origins as sushi
From the ocean? You actually have a table made out of seaweed?
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tomim tihye
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Squeak, Viennese tables are so outdated- they’re loaded with trans-fat, high fructose corn syrup, and empty calories.
I don’t doubt that mine is past its prime, but corn syrup and empty calories? That’s a surprise. I thought wood was a natural composite (that’s for SJS 🙂 of cellulose.
When MY husband makes a siyum, we have a Sushi Bar (just without the sushi).
So you have a bar? I prefer a table. I find that it is nicer for my siyyum participants to sit so we are all facing each other rather than sitting in a long row. But that’s just personal preference, to each his own 🙂
Thanks. I know that I can redeem the bonds at any time. I just never got around to it. The high interest rates at the beginning made it easy to keep back then.
I have a Viennese table at every siyyum that I make. My dining room table was made in Vienna.
I also have a Vietnamese table.
squeak –
But is it worth more then the pen?
Probably. But honestly, who is going to appreciate getting an 30-year IOU for a pen as a gift? The pen itself was only appreciated because it was a status symbol of sorts.
BP Totty
Member
in today’s marketplace, you do not need to sugarcoat your reliegous / ethnic persona. If he can travel the world with laanga paiyos, beard and huge yarmulka, so can I.
Yes, it seems that you can dress however you please if you sell out on the underlying culture.
So in the 300 year interim, he did have a chelek?
JC is not mentioned in the Mishna. Not even in the uncensored version (that I have seen). Wonder why?
Pinhead, then.
GAW,
I have a $50 savings bond that is about to mature (30 year class EE, so it might not actually be worth $50 yet). Do you think that I am counting down the days until I can collect the face amount? Of course not, the face amount wouldn’t even buy me dinner at a nice restaurant today – though $25 would have, 30 years ago.
Writing does not make me nervous. I would gladly honor that promise, if and when the time comes.
It’s in the birthdays thread.
Not just knowing the location, but reconciling the beginning and end of the Mishna and placing it in context with the current discussion.
Ahhh, that makes sense now. Thanks. Maybe if you had been my math teacher I would have become proficient in that elusive subject.
Phineas is a bit old fashioned, hence uncommon, but it is the accepted alt for Pinchas.
Wolf, you just slipped up and showed that you are much more learned than you care to admit recently.
Proofs is what I said, and proofs is what I meant. Not proof.
If you’re really going to publish (by which I mean book publishing, not the academic kind), you might want to become familiar with that term.
Dr. Pepper
Member
In most cases you will not get a prime number when multiplying a few primes and adding 1. The exception is when one of the primes is 2, otherwise if you multiply a few primes and add 1 you will get an even number.
Am I to understand this as saying that 2 * any prime + 1 is a prime number?
Is 63 really a prime number? 63 = 1 + 2 * 31
It will be ready exactly 3 days after I am presented with the proofs.