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That proves that continuous interest can be computed as e^r. What does that have to do with my question? If I’m not making sense, forget it.
We didn’t have states in those days
I skipped high school.
e is the limit of (1 + 1/x)^x as x goes towards infinity
How did you arrive at this equation is my question.
I don’t understand the answer. I’m asking a priori, how do you arrive at that magical constant that produces an exponential function with a slope of 1 at x=0?
I take offense.
old <> out of it
I guess I was too cryptic. e is important because the derivative of any exponential (say, a^x) is a^x times its derivative at x=0. If we find an ‘a’ whose derivative (i.e. slope) at x=0 is 1, then we have a nifty little function. Obviously, that ‘a’ is ‘e’. My question is, how do you go from there to finding the value of e?
Can I use the call-a-“squeak” lifeline?
I like that a lot! Pop-culture, here I come!
Dr. P- too bad I didn’t see your riddle in time, I am keen on logarithms (since back in the day, we had to use log tables (has one ever been seen in the last 40 years?) to calculate exponential equations – calculators were 4 function only).
BTW, I also noticed that you mentioned ‘e’ on the last post. Can you explain how the precise value of e was solved for? (I know why the number is important- its slope at x=0), but not how the number that has those properties was solved for).
unnecessary divorces…
*kapusta*
Speaking generally, the divorces are usually not unnecessary. Perhaps you meant unnecessary marriages?
I tend to agree with the sentiment about lack of leadership, and with what BP Totty said. It is nearly impossible to respect a leader who is looking down on his followers. If we have lost respect for leadership, then what we do becomes pretty much random and existential.
popa-
Some children are more precocious than others. There are definitely some 4 year olds who “get it” and could appreciate the chinuch aspect. And once you have some kids like that, which parent is going to say his little yankele is any less precocious as little Yankele Cohen across the street….
Besides, your 4 year old is only going to shul to run around, anyway. We wouldn’t want him swinging a lulav at the same time, could be dangerous.
Let me be clear.
Driving a car is also a sakana to ‘everyone’ (by everyone you mean ‘many people’). In the event of a brake failure, or a loss of attention, or mistimed maneuver- many people could wind up hurt as a result of your decision to drive the car.
Blocking a fire escape presents a similar sakana. To block a fire escape for no reason would be senseless. To put a succa there is not senseless- if you want to have a succa and you live in an apartment, it is easy to see the sense in putting it there (since all other space accessible to you is indoors).
I am not saying that this means it is OK to do- au contraire. As it is a violation of code, it is just as wrong as double-parking your car or parking in front of a fire hydrant. Just that the folks crawling out of the woodworks to cry ‘sakana’ as of the same ilk as the ones who want to stop kapparos because ‘tzar baalei chayim’.
tomim tihye-
I’m not being mattir or saying it is adivsable. Merely pointing out that if you are complaining purely because of “sakana” you don’t have an argument. Driving a car and crossing the street are things we do that have an equal or greater level of sakana.
Fire- milsa d’lo schiacha
Cars on street- schiach
Kal v’chomer the succah can be there.
1. Please give an example of another choice available to you, given your facts.
2. Please describe what assumptions I have made in this thread. I claim that I have made none; I only stated the logical direction of the assumptions that you gave.
Well then, since #3 was a ridiculous choice, and I know that you hold #2 is wrong, that leaves us with #1 for you. In which case, all your heilige zeides and bubbes, as well as the author of every sefer on the planet, suffered from massive timtum halev from eating shrimp on a daily basis. Nice of you to broadcast this information.
Crossing the street is a sakana, I asked rabbonim to tell people not to do it, but nu- they have to get to the other side of the street.
I am equally forced to choose.
Are you happy now?
P.S. not your fault, but I edited to add a third choice after you posted, to preempt your usual nitpicking
P.P.S. Either you have great difficulty with reading comprehension, or you did not read what I wrote. If you had, you would notice that I made my post assuming both your points are factual.
You’re dancing around the issue.
Unless you believe that the copepods were spotted immediately (i.e. they were not present prior to 2005), you are forced to choose from these conclusions:
1- Between the time copepods appeared in fresh water and 2005, all Jews ate shratzim
2- It is not assur to drink unfiltered fresh water, despite the copepods
3- B’derech nes no copepods ever made its way into the water consumed by a Jew
“I never addressed that point”
Let’s try to see the big picture.
You can’t pretend that these are disjointed facts. On the one hand, you have most RW Orthodox Rabbonim saying that it is assur to drink water with these creatures. On the other hand you have the statement that these creatures are present in all potable water sources. Do the math.
….and they’re assur to consume?
Ben Torah
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Any unfiltered water system will have copepods.
Am I to understand that every body of fresh water in the world is treif? Every river and stream? If that is the case, how fortunate we are to be living in this modern age where we can filter our water, not like the Tannaim and Ammoraim (and Moshe Rabbeinu) who never drank a kosher drop of water in their lives.
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I’m starting to feel as if my intelligence is being insulted. Of course I am talking about someone who is financially reliant on me, otherwise I wouldn’t brought up the question. I hadn’t considered the chinuch aspect, but fortunately it is not the case here. To sum up, an adult family member who is reliant on me financially but not for chinuch.
Thanks for all the opinions. I have asked and received my answer, but I’m afraid that I will be reneging on my promise to post it here.
artchill….. chill. You seem to be unaware of the point I am bringing up.
Moq, thanks for the reference. The point you make is valid, and the problem of chinuch bonim is what I recall from when I was learning the halachos (and google brought up R’ Reisman’s sefer which explicitly mentions this also). The situation here has no chinuch application (since the family member is not my child and not a minor).
I am only interested in whether this is right/wrong in halacha considering all the issues. I am not looking for any personal gain here. As I said before, I will be asking formally. I see the answer going one of three potential ways:
1- Assur
2- Muttar, but not something to do (for whatever reason)
3- Muttar, and a good idea to use in practise.
1&2 are the same to me, even though there is an academic difference (which of course I would be interested in).
artchill, have a look inside and you will see the provision that one may charge close family members interest to teach them of its bite (I don’t have the exact quote in front of me, but that’s roughly it).
popa, I will be asking, and I will add the answer to the list of other things I have promised to get back to the CR ppl about.
Blue would imply causticity in a litmus test, not acid (which would be red). Brown is just an expression.
popa, I don’t know if you stopped taking questions now that you passed, but hopefully not, and hopefully you are even better able to answer now than before.
What do you think of the practice mentioned in CM to charge family members interest, as a way to teach them of its “bite” nowadays?
For example, I have a family member who is paying credit card debt (which is a terrible waste of money). I want to pay off the debt on their behalf – but without letting them skip out on the lesson of the pitfalls of financial indiscretion. I think one way to do this would be to hold them to a punishing payback schedule so they can see what it would cost to pay for their mistakes (and as a side point- I plan on gifting the extra money back when they manage to finish paying).
verbal? how about programming skills?
From someone who’s been changing the “member” tags to prank many posters, I thought you’d go into the site settings and…. nm.
I was actually expecting more of a mischievous response or prank from you. Something like turning the background brown, for instance.
Mark Twain occassionally wrote letters with such acid that turned the paper brown. Before you compare my posts to said writer, ask yourself- has the background color of this site ever changed from white?
Yanky55
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R’ Yoshe Ber unequivically was matir taking a (hot) shower on Yom Tov for someone who showers every day. It is indeed a davar hashaveh l’chol nefesh…..
I’m not getting involved in the debate here, but I’d just like to point out that your statement contradicts itself – the quote, “for someone who showers every day” clearly admits that not everyone showers every day. Therefore, it is by definition not “shoveh l’chol nefesh”. It is simply faulty heter logic (FHL), akin to the “but I’m an istanis” argument.
popa- I think you made your point with your first post, and I agreed with you then.
helpful- there are so many men who are available to teach- i.e. all the men in kollel. One avreich may be skilled in learning b’iyyun and another in b’kiyyus, etc. What better Talmud Torah is there than one where the father teaches his own son (or out of a group of fathers, some of the fathers teaching Torah to the group)? It’s a way for the ones who are currently seen as a ‘burden’ on the system to completely turn the tables. Every group will be vying to have a kollel join their co-op.
Many rebbeim ARE worth what they get paid.
I don’t mean to make a snarky remark here, but the discussion is about rebbeim who are not getting paid, so your comment is out of place. 🙂
I agree with you- rebbeim deserve to be paid a decent salary, certainly enough to encourage men of talent to apply. I think rebbeim get salaries+benefits that are reasonable commensurate with the job they have to do, while not being too high (which would also attract the wrong people for the job).
The point here is that they are not getting paid what they were promised – regardless of what you or I think they deserve. In this case they should do something about it- walking out may be a good option, as it frees up their time to earn at least some money to live on.
In addition, co-op homeschooling is another available option that is not even considered. It is very affordable and doable, and every bit as private as you want it to be.
To clarify,
Yeshivos have made it clear that they cannot or will not significantly decrease their operating expense (or even hold the line). Barring a suddence resurgence in fundraising or a dramatic increase in the income base of tuition paying parents, I doubt that scholarship money will increase as quickly as the need for it increases. In the near-term cognizant families will be looking at ways to reduce their tuition burden.
The public option is one that by and large is not considered, but I have heard the other option considered – IMHO another example of misplaced priorities.
You feel that the community has a moral obligation to subsidize yeshiva tuition for all children, and I’m not going to argue with that. But at least we have another point that we agree on- namely that public school is a better option than decreasing the participants. I’m not really concerned about your opinion regarding “throwing a child off the derech”. I’d rather deal with, and see the community deal with, the problems that come from sending to public school than deal with shrinking Jewish families.
Ben Torah,
I’d prefer if you’d answer my question.
Ben Torah,
I’m sure it would be accurate to say that your opinion is that the Torah way is to have as many children as is possible, without considering financial issues. I think that is the mainstream yeshivish approach as well. Suppose for a moment that you know well in advance that no child will be allowed to attend yeshiva unless his or her parents pay full tuition every year (which should be the general case, with exceptions being few rather than the norm).
As you say, income doesn’t go up based on the number of children, and once a family has maximized its earning potential (both parents working), homeschooling is not an option.
Is it better that the children should never be born or that the children should be born but attend a school that the parents can afford (i.e. public school)?
SJS-
I think what you mean is that there could be enough money to go around, not that there is. Reducing vacations and fanciness of cars and clothes (the “spending” luxuries) of the non-full-tuition families is not going to be enough to bring most of those people to full-tuition level (unless you are very cynical). The “earning” side of the equation on your list is Kollel and SAHM, in each case the difference is a full income, which is much more likely to cover any deficiency in tuition.
The question is if anyone has plaitzes big enough to address this issue.
SJS-
It is employment at will. Let them quit. Or, as SL put it, PLEASE quit so that they can improve their finances, and give the schools a wake-up call.
[Am I becoming the AZ of tuition?]
I’m definitely not going to fight for this title, but it was my intent to connect the two crises with my “What will be?” thread.
To wit: There is simply not enough money to go around as the situation stands. We can either decrease the number of participants or increase the amount of money coming in to the school.
ICOT-
Funny, funny. I really appreciate your electric advice, and no – no one had any side effects B”H. I have something else that I considered asking you about, but I think it’s a job for an electrician (and he won’t need my advice or haskomo :)).
“As if there aren’t many factors taken in to account when deciding where to live.
Of course there are. But where does paying for Talmud Torah rank?”
And what about just in general being able to afford the area. If you are living in a one bedroom with 5 people, clearly you can’t afford the neighborhood.
I’m shocked
Fear of retribution? I don’t imply standing up to the leaders. I am saying to distance ones’ self from actions that you do not believe in or support. If I refuse to enter a certain place of worship, there is nothing to fear (especially as Muslims can legitimately pray ‘beyechidus’), but I have made a silent protest. Enough individuals acting this way would constitute general discontent with the status quo. There is no discontentment, except on CNN.
Mazel Tov, areivim
000646
Member
Squeak,
Agreed!
Uh oh…
😉
Couldn’t you at least spell the names of your favorite characters correctly? To be precise….