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I don’t know why two people were confused, but I wasn’t referring to hacking. I said that if I had your computer for 1 hour, I could access the spying logs that Microsoft creates of every keystroke and download on your computer. This spying uses system resources (slowing down everything and adding to the likelihood of crashing) and creates an unwanted record. And it is built in to the system that you buy from MS. I know of no such thing on Mac.
Thank you Bogen. If YW allowed emoticons, I would bow. You are too kind.
I guarantee you that if you give me one hour and your computer, I can download a log of every keystroke you have ever entered on your PC. I can recreate every file that you ever downloaded. I can construct a report of every second that you used the computer – when you logged on until when you logged off. Just because you don’t know it exists does not mean that it does not.
Does that shake anyone up a bit? It should, at this time of year.
That’s the second or third time I’ve seen you mention that bit of trivia. You must be really proud of it. I share a birthday with B Clinton, but I don’t advertise it. Why do you want everyone to know that you share a birthday with YM”Sh?
With only 366 possible birthdays, around 17 million living people share every birthday (on average). Add in those from previous generations and the number is ridiculous. Sharing a birthday has no meaning unless you want it to.
If you have 23 people in a room…..
thank you tzippi, it is rare that I get recognition for my attempts at humor. But then, I also rarely get any recognition (on this site, that is) for my attempts at serious, level headed conversation. So I stick to parody.
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“From a perspective of pure Halacha, I’m not sure any rabbi or group of rabbis has the authority to issue takkanot, at least no binding ones. There is no institutionalized Beth Din to allow for such a mechanism. As such, any “takanot” issued are at best suggestions to be voluntarily followed or not.”
No one can tell YOU what to do. Is that right?
illini, I’m not sure what you’re talking about. You think that PC is more customizable than Mac? Or you just are unfamiliar with Mac? Try getting a windows PC to stop spying on you.
I knew someone would suggest that. I’ve heard the “black and white film” argument for years now, but I don’t buy it. It smells of kefirah. The pictures clearly show them wearing black and white, so we should do the same.
As far as the trees go, think about the first ani maamin. The world is constantly in a state of creation and re-creation. It’s not difficult for me to believe that they had black and white trees in those days and that now the briah is green trees with brown trunks. But the rabbonim didn’t wear trees, so it is not relevant.
If university professors don’t like it, then it’s probably a good idea.
But seriously, this country is going down, big time. Everyone joined the game when it seemed good, and now only the biggest can survive. That will lead to monopolies, which is not good. The alternative is to remove banking from the free market. The latter is a better idea because that is reversible. Once monopolies are created they are nearly impossible to stop.
Obviously the Yeshiva velt follows its “gedolim”. If you look at pictures of Rabbonim and Roshei Yeshiva of old, you will find that they are always in black and white. Therefore, yeshiva bochurim wear black and white nowadays.
Anyone who can think of a different reason why the Rabbonim in the picture have black and white is just a koifer.
itsprivate – seems like alot more computing power than you’ll need for writing poems.
Potted plants is another option.
Ocular hypertension.
I’ve seen many people with bulging eyes. They were heavy coffee drinkers. A = B? Maybe.
I would pay the $45 and get the one without the horse. In fact, I’d probably even pay an extra $10 to avoid being a walking billboard.
Pink ties are out, but I hear that pink eye is in. That should go well with your pink shirt.
“That is beautiful. Whatever you tell her will be fine. Use your heart.”
That sounds like what a Reform Jew of today would say.
Truth be told, all this talk about “gedolim” has had me laughing in every thread. I am a godol too, and I can be counted for a minyan. I find it amusing that people want to argue if the great Rabbonim are “gedolim” or not – I can guarantee you that they all are and have been for many years.
Klal yisroel does not universally agree on who its leaders are. The Sefardim have theirs, the “Litvaks” have theirs and the Chassidim have theirs. “Modern Orthodoxy” also has leaders. Each group should, no doubt, follow their leaders. If the Modern Orthodox leaders do not choose to tell their followers the same things that the Litvishe leaders do, then the Litvishe followers should not expect the Modern Orthodox to be doing those things. Doesn’t that make sense?
All the pitzelahs here can just go along following their own leaders and stop there. All this agenda pushing makes it sound like you are not comfortable “being the only one” to observe/follow some edict or chumra. Stop trying to push it on others. The responsibility for what the modern orthodox does rests on the plaitzes of modern orthodox leaders. If you don’t think that modern orthodox leaders demand enough from their followers, then ask THEM why they aren’t doing so. Simple. You are all followers, so don’t try to lead.
You guys can rant on about Obama’s gaffe, but then the Bush haters can outtalk you when it comes to recounting HIS gaffes. There is an entire website dedicated to “Bushisms”.
Obama said that he had the chance to visit almost all the US states in his campaigning. He said that he got to all but one, excluding Hawaii and Alaska (because his campaign did not allow him to go to either), so that makes 57 states.
To me he clearly meant to say 47. 50 – AL – HI – 1 = 47. Unless you think that he was subtracting from 60.
Why isn’t Palin cancelling? Because she will be the main event considering her current status. To Hillary, it’s not about party lines as much as it is about becoming the sideshow. I understand why she cancelled. I imagine she would cancel if Obama were to turn up, too (though we know he would never participate in a protest against this guy).
No.
1) The extra cost of high fashion is a shud oif yiddeshe gelt (of course, most of the designers are Jews…)
2) The need to constantly buy new things to keep up is also a shud oif yiddishe gelt
3) Yeshiva bochurim don’t belong in the mall perusing racks of clothing. I’m sure there is an aspect of simlas eisha in this practice (I mean the obsession, not the articles)
4) Bochurim shouldn’t be so araingetun in foolish materialistic things (of course that opens a whole new discussion). Dressing should not be a distraction.
And I haven’t even mentioned all of the obvious reasons (which may be debatable). Personally, I think this obsession is in line with what Rashi says about men wearing perfume.
I do know bochurim who are involved in this. I can’t even speak to them without being revolted by their self flattering attitudes. Yuck. But just because they SHOULDN’T be involved in fashion world, does not mean that they WON’T be. Until we fix the problems that make this kind of thing possible amongst the frum, we will not be able to change this manifestation.
You want statistical proof? Here is some:
97% of all crimes are perpetrated by Jews.
-source: Weimar Republic.
Based on that post, I’ll venture to guess that you have set a very high bar for what is “not kosher”. Suffice it to say that most Orthodox folks would not (should not!) take any advice from you on what college courses are kosher/non kosher.
By the way, do people really call you “a female”? Or is that just how you think of yourself? It seems like a pretty un-progressive way to speak.
1. I was referring to your sudden change to spelling with a Y instead of a J. Now I have 2 examples, Yekkeshi and Yidden. Not really important, though, just wondering.
2. I do not have any reason to think of you as being similar to “gedolim in the minority” or “neviim with an unpopular message”. Sir, I think of you as quite the opposite. You seem to want to spread the popular message of “anything goes” on the fine people of this forum for whom only the Torah goes. That’s what I meant by “shoving it in their faces”. There are plenty of places where your views are popular, take them there. Don’t give me the persecuted minority speech.
3. I only said that we should refrain from interacting with the rabid reform, not with the stam Jew who is not shomer shabbos. Those Jews are who we SHOULD try to be mekarev (each person to the best of their abilities in this area).
4. What I meant by liberal style acceptance is your views of “anything goes”, by example I mean all of the kulos that you try to defend. I do not include your zionist views in this matter. That is a true view, though not a widely accepted one anymore.
I’d be glad to have any reasonable discussion with you. I always try to be reasonable (except when I am trying to be funny). But if you are posting here for the reasons that I mentioned, I am not one who can help you achieve your goals. Please think about that.
HAHA!!! I don’t believe it – there really is a separate area for threads on milchig and threads on fleishig! Way out!!!
I meant it as a joke, but it really is a good idea. Thanks.
It goes back to when I took the intiative to create Usenet.
I just read a part of your post that I missed earlier. 90% of Jews are reform? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Reform is DEAD!!! How many reform temples are left? How many believers? C’mon.
Most non frum Jews are simply non observant. They are areligious (to coin a phrase), not atheists ch”v. Nowadays you can be irreligious without thinking about it. You don’t have to actually decide to deny God Ch”V. You just do what you want. And when you’re in a foxhole, you can “pray” to birds. These Jews are who we need to be mekarev.
I will stand by what I said. I do not believe that we should interact with practicing Reform Jews. And I stand by what I said for Kiruv. Unless you are experienced and successful, you should not venture into those waters. And if you are experienced and successful, you don’t need me to tell you what to do. There are plenty of “safe” Jews for the rest of us to use our Kiruv energies on.
By the way I’m wondering why you didn’t say “jekke”.
Dewey? Haha.
Just me – I noticed the same thing. We should really create a YW version of “Godwin’s Law”. Because B”H at least THAT doesn’t apply.
The kids who are called nerds are not called that because of their clothing. Their clothing is just an object that is used against them. Just like kids make fun of people’s name. You can have one kid who has a “funny” name and no one ever makes a joke about it and another with a similarly “funny” name who gets ridiculed all the time. Deal with the issues, not the manifestations.
The OP is 100% right. And if the community “is suspicious” of you, then you should definitely take the high road. Out of there.
One German word doth not a Yekke make.
If I may add, I am well aware of the other opinions, such as those of R’ Bamberger (Hamburg). What I added was that at this time, where the pull of reform is not as great, it is possible that even he would not advocate closeness. Reform has become a psuedo-Judaism, not a viable alternative to mainstream Judaism. It is more like an alternative to Xianity (self censor).
There’s that word again – mainstream. I don’t need to convince you that I am certainly not mainstream (by the standards of this board at least), but that is the mainstream that I was referring to. I am quite aware of “alternative” mainstreams (haha, what an oxymoron), but I do not feel it is necessary to SHOVE IT IN THE FACES of those who quite obviously belong to a group THAT DOES NOT CONSIDER THOSE OPINIONS VALID.
Why do you feel the need to validate yourself amongst this group? That is why I intimated that you have frumkeit issues. I believe that you want to be convinced that the mainstream is correct (not about everything, of course. I’m sure you don’t want to be convinced about Zionism or Carlebach music, etc. I’m referring to the individual issues you pick on endlessly, that have to do with liberal style acceptance rather than acceptance of gedolim’s words even when it advocates intolerance). You should keep trying to find someone who can convince you – I think it is GREAT! But this board cannot help you. I’m glad that the moderator approves your comments, but you should not be – you will only get more frustrated.
Please don’t lump me together with those who argue with you. I have never debated your views on this site. All my posts in reference to you were in attempt to dismiss your attacks on people who don’t need to hear them.
And since I’m responding anyway, I will correct your misunderstanding of my statement. What I said was that I never heard that we SHOULD mistreat Reform Jews. I did not mean that there were not people here who were doing so. Certainly, calling them non Jews is denigrating them.
About the Reform, I never heard anything about treating them badly as people. Are we taught to mistreat even Goyim? Of course not. But their Temples are like churches, and it is Assur to enter them or to benefit from their facilities. Kula alma modim.
As far as dealing with them goes, I was taught not to. Austritt!!!!!! But that is not a universal Hashkofo (though maybe today it is). Of course they are Jews, but they are also dangerous people. Who cares if they know authentic Judaism or not? They are kofrim and there is no reason for interaction. (Those thinking of kiruv should realize that I am ignoring that *possible* aspect of the discussion because I have no expertise there. If you are an established, successful kiruv individual then you already have someone to turn to for this question. The rest of us can ignore kiruv.)
rabbi of berlin – you need some help. It is clear from all your posts that you vehemently oppose everything that is mainstream. That is not so uncommon, but you also believe that everything you believe is right, and that it is the mainstream which is mistaken EVERY TIME. And you misquote/make up references to “prove” your points. Everything that a Godol said can and will be disputed by you. With or without base.
You need to get off this forum and take your questions to a Rov (or a number of them). No one here is buying your haskofos and no one here is convincing you how wrong yours are. Even when your repeatedly asserted claim was refuted, you hardly conceded. If you can’t deal with a Rov face to face then try some site where the moderator is a Rov (such as frumteens.com for example). Do it and you’ll be happier about yiddishkeit.
Can we please have separate threads for milchig and fleishig?
She no doubt picked up the “mishugaas” about the Alaskan pipeline benefitting animals from the same place that every person who “thinks for themselves” does. From a guy who thinks with half his brain tied behind his back. If only we could be sure that his drug habits didn’t affect BOTH halves.
I can’t believe this. Not one recipe contained the most important ingredient – BEER! I’ve gone from my bochurishe yorren where I added no water (which admittedly is more for show than taste) to my current recipe, where I add 3 half bottles to a normal sized cholent. The beer acts as a tenderizer to the meat, and adds a mild flavor to the beans. The alcohol all boils out (and even if it didn’t, it would be less than 0.001% of the cholent).
The recipe goes like this:
Add beans, barley onions garlic potatoes meat rice spices whatever.
Then,
add 1/2 a bottle of beer. Drink the other half (why should it be wasted?)
turn on the flame. Add another 1/2 bottle of beer. Drink the other half (why should it be wasted?)
Make sure that the top of the concoction is covered in liquid. Then, add 1/2 a bottle of beer. Drink the other half (why should it be wasted?).
Close the lid and enjoy in 24 hours.
Careerwise: Pursue a credential. What high paying (and more busy) job would you like? What type of letters does the person who has the job have? Get them.
Otherwise: Learn/say Tehillim. Don’t visit this site.
justsomeguy:
Reform is koifer toras moshe misinai. They claim that the Torah was written by human beings ch”v. We are forbidden to enter into their temples the same we we are forbidden to enter into a church.
As for your question about taking money from a church, there are various sources that discuss this. However, based on your post I assume that you wouldn’t be interested in hearing the correct answer anyway. Maybe you can organize a “debate” with a Rov on the subject.
Can someone please get their rabbi to say its a mitzva to take their money so as to bankrupt them? That will get a good discussion going.
Good point. But as you say there ARE schools that people like us should be sending our kids to. So no matter where you live, you should be bussing your kids there. If after a while you find that enough kids in your own neighborhood are doing the same, then clearly there is demand for such a school locally. Then the “people with jobs” CAN open a school.
Until then, your choice is to live in a place with a school you like or to live in a place with a school you don’t like and send your kids away for school. Your choice is NOT to send your kids to a school you don’t like and then get upset with the school.
Thanks, nameless and GAW. I agree with you both.
My point is that #5 alone is too hard to judge. Yes you can think that the other person is amazing (and you should) but that doesn’t prove that he/she is! It should, but it might not. Hopefully, GAW’s experience is the norm. But I bet that your feeling that she was amazing was not enough at the time. I bet you did some checking anyway.
My point about surprises was that there are elements of personality that are hidden. Whether or not they detract from your feeling that the other person is amazing is moot, because it is possible that it will detract. If it is possible, but never shows up during dating, then #5 is a worthless indicator.
I’m just trying to say that #5 cannot be eliminated (it is necessary) but at the same time, it is not enough to preclude #1-4 (or some other forms of checking that weren’t brought up).
The reason why today is different is because the interaction can go no further than talking, unlike then. Vehamayvin Yovin.
About the “j” vs “y” thing: My Hebrew name begins with a Yud. I have German relatives, who though they pronounce my name correctly (with a Yud sound) nevertheless spell it with a J. This is because the “j” in German makes the same sound as a Yud in Hebrew. Thus Joseph is pronounced the same as Yosef. Jacob is pronounced as Yakob (which is the Sephardic pronounciation of Yaacov). Therefore rabbiofberlin (assuming berlin is as in the city in germany) is correct in transliterating a Yud with a “j”.
This does not explain why he would change the spelling of someone’s handle.
azi you make a good point but…
It is WE who are at fault. How? By patronizing the institutions of people who make such claims. We pretend to be who we are not in order to “get accepted” into these “elite” circles. Once you are there, shouldn’t you expect that this is what they will teach you? After all, they were still learning in their 30’s and 40’s.
If you want education to reflect the commonplace situation then you need education by REPRESENTATIVES of the commonplace scenario. If you are going to have all kids educated by the single digit percentage, then they are going to try to impart their own values. And unless you stipulate that such people cannot get jobs as educators and they cannot fill up their yeshivos if they spew such dogma, they will not stop.
You can’t patronize them AND tell them how to run their business.
To GAW and great aspirations:
#5 cannot be assessed on a date to a sufficient degree. This is because most of what goes on during a date is superficial at best. Don’t tell me you don’t know that, unless you’ve never dated. And don’t tell me that there aren’t surprises after getting married, or you’ve clearly never been married!
Why? Surprised that she said that or surprised that she had to?
What’s the job situation like in Waterbury, now that we’re on that topic?
The problem is that there is no way to assess #5, and certainly not on shidduch dates. Therefore, we use eitzos to help us figure out which girl is #5 (referring to nameless’ choices, not wolfish’s). Look at her father, look at her brothers, look at this, that the other. We’re really just trying to gauge #5.
I think that a socialized Yeshiva system would be the best way to get a quick start on improving things. First of all, it uses economies of scale. Second of all, the central management team running the larger institution would be better qualified (i.e. more financially sophisticated) than the individuals who currently run individual institutions.
To illustrate my point, let’s say I am one who believes in gedolim. Then I would be glad to send my kids to a school under the auspices of the Moetzes Gedolai Yisroel of America. The umbrella organization would be the Agudah, and they would handle tuition and budgetary issues. The gedolim would make “executive decisions” instead of local boards and the local institutions would need only the minimum of on site administration. Naturally it is more complicated than this, but I am just trying to paint a picture.
I don’t think that all yeshivos would be under one umbrella organization; it is likely that many groups wouldn’t want to be under the Agudah and would form their own central organization. But I could go to any “Agudah” school in the country and know that they are being run by the gedolim of the Moetzes.
Hear, hear.
“Why don’t seminaries need to have fundraisers like every other frum institution?”
Everyone seems to think that this is an argument against the seminaries. In fact, it is not. Seminaries don’t have fundraisers because they charge enough to cover their costs. All you people out there complaining about “learning responsibility” should at least learn that lesson from the sems. Don’t spend more than you have. Other frum institutions are committed to spending money that they don’t have.
Now you may not like what the seminaries charge, and you may not like what it pays for. But at least it’s there, on the table, for all to see. Other institutions will first hit you up for all you’re worth, and then once they’ve bled you dry will engage their creativity to find other ways to bilk you. Then they’ll force you to bilk your relatives. And you can’t say no, because this IS an obligation, unlike sem.
So let’s hear it for the underdog, at least when it comes to THIS argument!
Funnily enough, oomis, the gemara appears to disagree with you. If one prevents another person from living (by not freeing him from being tied up, say, and he starves) he is not considered a murderer and is only punishable b’dinei shomayim. I can’t say for sure that it means murder is worse, but it does show that this is not punishable by man.