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Matan1
1) who are you to say or decide that the mind and spirit are not connected how much time have you spent studying and observing the spirit did you read the books of Zohar Or other thousands of mamrei chazal which discuss how the spirit works ? You are making an argument with out any scientific proof. the mind is very closely connected to our spirits. (and I am not talking about the Neshome) our spirits don’t just care about our spiritual feelings they care very much about our physical state and comfort I suggest that you do a little reading and observing the people around you including your own spirit before you come to any stupid conclusions.
2)Freud ordered his own murder whichever fancy language you want to use.
3)Criminals I am trying to make a point. that Modern Psychology has failed !!! look at the results !! look at societies problems !! they do not have proper solutions. I personally have treated many criminals by helping them understand their spirits and mindsets and using it to be successful in their jobs and keep out of trouble every trait can be used to the good or bad.
4)I have watched some of my patients being slowly killed off by drugs. it should be the very last option.
5)if you read my post you will see I did not say its heresy I just said and will say again WHEN YOU WILL START BELIVING IN YOUR OWN SPIRIT. OBSERVE IT AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT DAVEN TO HASHEM TO GIVE YOU THE KOWLEDGE. YOU WILL SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE AND BE ABLE TO HELP MANY PEOPLE.
I am not attacking you that you are doing anything wrong trying to study phycology.
You asked what our feelings about it are as frum yidden.
I gave you my observation after reading many psychology books studying many years many sefarim on chomas hanefesh and a lot of practical experience.
you don’t have to accept it from me but keep your mind open and don’t come to conclusions before you study properly and look at results.
A Git Shabbos
also regarding the last comment of frumnotyeshivish .
I would like to quote Yoideah Tzadik nefesh behamtoi.
before we try to heal our neshomo.
we have to heal and take care of our nefesh habehamy.
if we have a dysfunctional spirit our neshomo can not function.
just like we cant serve Hashem if our bodies are not functional.
you cannot take advice of someone bokey in hilchos Shabbos about money matters. only a small percentage of talmidei chachomim understand chochmas hanefesh. its mostly concealed.
the torah always promises schar for the nefesh hbehamy.
Dear Matan
Our spirits have much larger dimensions functions and power then they teach in the western phycology books and classes .
The human being is not just limited to moods emotions recognitions memory vision and so on its much larger than that .
they are all small but important functions of the spirit.
If the psychologists would believe in the tzelem elokim and intelligent design they would find out a lot more about the power of the spirit and its energy and how to heal it.
therefore many frum psychologists and even some believing psychologists understand people much better and are very successful in helping people.
Do not believe their theory’s and everything they say just use your seichel .
Remember Freud ended his life by committing suicide.
They do not even understand the nefesh habehamies.
Western schools and society produces so many criminals who fill the jails because their psychologists do not understand them. Every goy has a spirit and if you reach out to it and communicate to it you can help them.
Therapy is always a good thing.
Chemical control is often over used and has terrible side affects.
Some top phycologists are honest and agree that they don’t fully understand the brain and there is a lot more to be learned.
Its like going to a heart specialist for a general check up he will check the heart but not the rest of the body.
when we try to help people we have to look at the general picture starting from their parents the environment they grew up and their purpose and goal in life their capabilities and so on.
People who don’t know their purpose in life and aware of their unique capabilities to occupy themselves naturally become very depressed and crazy ideas float through their minds.
If they new what they are good at and enjoyed doing they would be able to overcome their difficulties .
as for all the apikorsos written in those idiots books I always tell them sure this computer also evolved itself and appeared in a big bang.
Remember Hashem gave us many mitzvos that imply we are capable of fully controlling ourselves.
I wish you lots of hatzloche in your career.