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The OP is speaking like someone who never learned a true Yeshiva zman with any semblance of hasmadah whatsoever. Or, lehavdil, ever did 2 weeks studying for college finals (which require similar breaks afterwards.) Yeshivah zman is months of rigorous studying harder than any college studying for finals.

Twice I met 2 “dinosaurs” like you, who spoke sinnas haTorah like you, not realizing it is no longer PC. One was a baal habayis am ha’aretz not capable of learning a mishnah in artscroll (hard to find today.) The other was a BP “chassideshe rebbe” (who just moved to Lakewood to “lead” us.)
It was Sunday, July 4th weekend at 7:00pm and 90 degrees hot. I asked them how many guys do you think are learning in Kollel right now? They looked at me not understanding the question. They said no one. Everyone is at bbqs. I took them, (different years but same story each,) in my car to the old BMG Bais Eliyahu trailers.) They saw a packed Bais Medrash of about 700 Kollel Yungerleit, with maybe 3 guys in the hallway going in or out of the bathrooms. I asked them if that numbet 3 out 700 is reasonable? They said yes. Then I told them, we are now going to walk up and down the aisles, and asked them to pay attention to 3 things: The average age of the yungerleit, what they are learning, and if they are learning or just shmuzzing. They were each totally blown away to see the average age (in that BMG B”M) was around 40 years old, various groups (chaburos and boididim) each learning different mesechtos throughout Sha”S, and all learning without any other conversation. I had thought I completely changed their attitude. (Now, I am not sure about that rebbe, and I know that prosta baal habust will never change.)

Keep your hate to yourself. You probably never learned a difficult Toisfos in Kesubos or Baba Basra etc… in your life, and haven’t opened a Gemara in 25 years, R”n.

@Menachem Shmei
That prayer would be wonderful if it would have remained in public schools.
However, if not for that law, other prayers with shituf might have been instituted, in which case, good they stopped it.

The Mishna Berurah consistently quotes rulings of the Shulchan Aruch Harav. He was gerechunt/considered from the Gedolei Ha’Achroinim. However, the M”B changed his name to the Shulchan Aruch HaGra”Z, not as he was known Harav.

I would ask the moderator to close this thread. We should be afraid, especially days before R”H of the horrible insults of a talmid chacham & a manhig in Klal Yisra’el. Delete those comments or the entire thread too. Thank you

ARSo,

Nothing wrong. Or not so terrible. The Rebbe z”l wanted a zechus for himself. (He knew he was nebach not living over children.) Though I don’t get the zechus of a siyum on a birthday. I guess he wanted some connection to what he thought was a big mifal he originated. He did not know when his yarhtzeit would be. The siyum Ramban each year should have continued to come out on his b’day. However, one ibbur yohr throws it off.

@smerel and always,

Not true. Historically incorrect.

Speak to Yeshivaleit from between the 2 world wars. Unfortunately, hard to find today. I have, first and secondhand. They tell, how there were days there was literally no food to eat. They all new that the tziyoinim’s clubhouse, (funded by donors to their movement, who would not fund the Yeshivos,) offered a free hot lunch to anyone who wanted. Not one Yeshiva bachur would go there. Why? They responded, I don’t know what goes on there. All we knew was, any frum person who walked in there, walked out a fraiyer. Maran R’ Shlomeh Zalman Auerbach z”l, related the same thing went on in his youth, about ih”k Yerushalayim t”v and the gymnasium on rechov Keren Kayemit, down the road from his home in Shaarei Chesed.

The zionist would say, we can’t build a medina with every other day a Yom Tov and other mitzvos.
Maran R’ Chaim Solovetchik z”l said, they claim they are abolishing religion in order to build a medinah. However, the truth is they are building a medinah in order to abolish religion.

In half of your posts, you just keep repeating your same stupidity over and over, refusing to address my answer.

The other half of your posts, are totally unintelligible. One sentence does not connect to the other.

>> The main reason I am not an anti Zionist, is because when there is a chance to improve Torah and Mitzvos in The State, the Chareidi extreme anti Zionists are nowhere to be found.<<
What in the world are you talking about?? Where have the zionist wanted to help with Torah uMitzvos??
The zionist have shmadded up a million Yidden and are the reason 10s of thousand were killed R”N.
No erhliche Yid would want to have anything to do with them.

>> The second reason is that the anti Zionists keep pushing propaganda about all the problems that Zionism causes. I don’t get it.<<
What don’t you get? You only get pushing your propaganda against erhliche Yidden who anti tziyoinim?

>>If you really think that Zionism is a problem according to The Torah, even if it apparently gave us endless blessings we would abhor Zionism.<<
We do abhor zionism.

>>So what does all this history prove? It achieves one thing. It cheapens Jewish Blood.<<
Not intelligible.

>> But I hope we agree that it is all besides the point.<<
What is besides the point??
In any case, I do not agree with any of your gibberish.
You write like ch”v had a stroke or ch”v have demntia?
How old are you?
Did you go to a real Yeshiva?
Did you have any Torahdig chinuch?
What exactly qualifies you to have an opinion in this, against ruba d’ruba, if not all, Gedolei Hador from the start of zionism?

Please stop

@n0mesorah

>> I have never met an anti-Zionist that was truthful. So, what is the point of this thread?<<
No point in answering you, with your sick attitude. However, for others here who also fell in to suffer from your words:

The problem in pre-war Europe was not assimilation. They married Jews. It was abandoning religion. (Which I suspect, you would not consider a problem.)

The issue was the Yidden suffering from terrible poverty. The Zionist, Communistm and Bundistin came along and offered their solutions to alleviate the poverty situation, which included abandoning religion.

>>The Old Yishuv made plenty of problems without the Zionists.<<
I have no idea what you are talking about. I doubt you do either.

>>Rav Yosef Chaim preceded the Zionists by at most, two generations.<<
Maran Harav Yoisef Chayim Sonnefeld z”l was niftar Feb. 6, 1932! That was well into the heat of Zionism. (According to you, Zionism began in 1972!!??) Zionism began in 1897. Before 1920, their movement was shmadding up Yidden and making the Arabs angry.

>>There was a lot of history before then. It was a hard place for Jews to live.<<
What is your point here??

>>There are around ten thousand actual casualties of actual wars. There are another ten thousand that were killed in more ‘peaceful’ attacks.<<
Those “‘peaceful’ attacks” were also because of the Zionists!!

>>I have never met an anti-Zionist that was truthful. So, what is the point of this thread?<<
I have never met an Israeli Zionist. Zionists are Dinosaurs. Today almost all Israelis just want to survive and make a living.
The handful of remaining Zionist, are the few kipa srugot and a few loudmouth Americans. I am sure you live in America, Mr. Zionist.

Always,

Between the 2 world wars, a number of million Yidden were shmad by joining the “bundistin” and the “communistin,” as you said. The approximately 1 million Jews who came to America before the Holocaust, also had almost all become off the derech, as you pointed out. Reason given was the hardship in holding a job while being Shoimer Shabbos.
However, there were an additional 1 million Yidden who were turned irreligious by joining the “tzionistin.”
The city Satmar in Hungary turned 50% irreligious at the end because of zionism. (Hence, the Satmar Rebbe z”l’s brewing hatred of the tziyoinim. He saw first hand what they did to the youth in his town.) The famous video of Munkatch in Hungary before WWII, with the boys and girls dancing together to zionist music, also had 50% shmad from tziyoinim. Vilna and Brisk in Lithuania (Lita,) by 1938 were turned 97% irreligious by the 3 sects, Bundist, Communist & Zionist. (Practically all, besides for the 2,000 bachurim of the famous Yeshivos.) These are a few examples by cities and countries.

@youdontsay
When I said 3 mechitzos, I was referring to the 3 redundant tzuros hapesech put up by 3 independent batei dininim.
The Teshuvos HaRashba’s psak is accepted, not to use a tzuras hapesach for a RH”R deOirsissa. If shishim riboi is required to constitute a RH”R deOiraissa according to roiv Roishoinim (which I believe is what you were touching on,) depends on how you count the shitois. This is the famous machloikes of the Mishkonois Yaakov and the Bais Ephraim. See SH”A OR”CH soman 364 se’if 2, Bais Ephraim OR”CH siman 26 and Chazon Ish OR”CH siman 107 ois 4. [The Mishkanois Yaakov became famous with this teshuvah of his in disagreement with the renowned gadol hadol R’ Ephraim Zalman Margoliois z”l.]
(I think?)

@ujm
Newly made up Lubavitch reference, gezh. Slang for being at least 2nd or 3rd year Lubavitch.
Word source is “megeza hayichus,” which a term in the world of true yichus – liniage of Rabbonim and Talmidei Chachamim.
The real Lubavitch term is, for those of is who shtam from the first chasidim of the Alter Rebbe (he only had about 5.) We are the “Geboirener.” Most Lubavitchers today became Lubavitch by the Heintege Rebbe z”l or the Friedeker Rebbe z”l. Behind their backs, we call them “the tzugekumeners.”
A zaida who was in tefisah in Sibeer is a huge yichus.
I have yet to see a Lubavitcher be even remotely impressed when I tell them each of the 7 Rebbes was meshadech / mechutanim with family. Or that I am eblcht”a cousins with the Rebbe z”l. My grandfather was 2nd cousins with the rebbe z”l. The rebbe’s father and my grandfather’s mother were first cousins. Their mothers were sisters. They had a common grandfather.

That was before the digital age. It used to be a lot of work on the Shadchan going back and forth by phone, and writing down by hand all the stats questions and answers. Now, you can just email or message a shidduch profile with all the basic stats. What’s wrong with that?
It is like saying do not redd a shidduch by phone, since in the old days, before telephones, shidduchim were redd in person or by mail…

OP, that’s the way it is done.

Isn’t the legend that anyone who went up to the Maharl’s shul’s attic, where the Golem remained after the Maharal was niftar, came back down insane. They therefore locked the door, and everyone was afraid to go up.

As a kid I read the book “The Golem of Prague” by Gershon Winkler. I remember really enjoying it.

I had a Rebbe, an adam gadol, who in shiur said over something from the Maharal’s sefer on Mesechta Shabbos (regular “Achron” style chiddushim on Gemara, Rashi & Toisfois.) He looked up and said straight faced, when the Maharal wasn’t making Golem’s he wrote chiddushim on Mesechte Shabbos.

@Hoo Hoo
A reshus harabim deOraisa cannot have an eiruv, even with 3 mechitzos around it.

@Yechiell, OP,
Trump need a 2nd term to follow up.
Trump is a businessman. He ran the country like a business. Christy is a politician.
Any candidate running for President, really has no idea what the job entails, or what he will be able to do. He finds out if he gets there. You can’t really hold a first term President to his campaign promises. He said what he wants to do with the wall. Not necessarily, that he will be able to. Christy knows this, and is lying in these complaints. He helped get Trump elected the first time, with the expectation of a cabinet level position. Trump stiffed him, so now Christy hates him. Interesting, that Trump also gave nothing to Guliani, who also helped get him elected. Yet, Guliani does not seem angry about that.

@Always
If that’s your only problem, you’ve got gold. Appreciate him.

@Rocky

@Always_Ask_Questions
True.
However, the Shulchan Aruch says not to complain when they sing by davening on Shabbos. Look by the simanim of davening Arvis and Shachris on Shabbos.

@Menachem Shmei
Thank you.
Where is that quote, or the original source from the Alter Rebbe z”l?

@AviraDeArah
I like the thought. I like the he’orah. It is a chiddush which may be a possibility. However, you have not brought any proof to it.
You actually seem to be mixing together 2 possibilities.
1) That the Toras Hachasidus is “Penimius HaTorah,” (which I believe is a more standard consideration,) which you want to say that Toras Hamussar is also Penimius HaTorah.
This I do not see. It is not mistabra that Mussar is the Penimus HaTorah that Chassidus is meant to be.
2) That Toras Hachissidus is meant to teach one to be oived H’ be’leiv with one’s heart. In which case one can argue that Toras Hamussar accomplishes the same thing. This I found interesting.
However, regarding what you said that the Yeshivos accomplish this with Mussar, I have not seen Yeshivos really focusing on Mussar to this degree.
I would venture to defend the Yeshivos, by understanding that the hatzlachah fun a zach is liggen in dem. Bachurim and even young yungeleit have to lig and focus on one thing to succeed. Eat, sleep and breathe Baba Kama, Baba Metziah or Eiruvin, whatever they are learning to first become Talmidei Chachamim. Afterwards, they can focus on Mussar and Avoidas H’ be’lev. Loi am ha’aretz chasid.
Also, Mussar, and for Sefer Choivois Halevavois to go into you, requires maturity and having R”n gone through some of life’s tribulations, which comes later on. (I, personally, have found this difference myself, how Mussar and Choivas Halevavois did not really work for me in my younger days, the way it works for me now, older and having gone through mill [to say the least…])
– YMS

To explain the conspiracy theory of the first moon landing:
1) The flag is waving in the wind. There is no wind on in the moon.
2) Any slight degree of deviation of target in 238,900 miles, would result in missing the moon by hundreds of miles. There was no such powerful computing power in 1969 to do that. A cell phone today has much more computing power than a computer the size of a large building had in 1969.
3) Every video tape today of the first moon landing is proven to be a copy, not the original tape. If cutting and pasting was actually done (to produce a forgery,) it can only be proven on the original. The original is gone. Nasa says they accidentally taped something else over the original video tape. What was this? Someone’s bar mitzvah video that someone accidentally taped a football game over it?? It cost 355 million dollars, and billions in today’s money, and they weren’t careful???
4) President Kennedy vowed to beat the Russians and that the USA would land on the moon before the end of the decade. They had to show something by 1969. The pressure was enormous.
5) They were no where near the technology in that time to do this.
6) Everyone involved in this hoax on the world, including the 3 original astronauts, could never ever reveal it, without becoming the most hated charlatans in history.
7) There was never evidence found of a USA flag post left on the moon.

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@CS I am moicheh on the kovod of Aharon HaKoihen.
You don’t talk that way. What is wrong with you, the moderators and everyone here for allowing that. Moderators, please remove that chiruf vegiduf. You should be banned.
Why, btw, because Ahron Hakoihen wasn’t a Lubavitcher?
Your am haaratzos is obvious too.

@CS
This is not there in siman 81.

Mainly, your reading in those words that Mashiach need not fight physical wars, rather only spiritual wars, is not there at all. Was Dovid against Goliyas a spiritual war. Where do you see it there?
(Agav, I am not understanding why a slingshot is not Klei zayin, and what was Yehonasan’s involvement there? But I did not see see the context there.