soliek

so ive decided that ill go to her talk but im not gonna ask to interview her. i can sympathize with her past, and hope that she gets over her issues in the future, but her name is toxic and im not gonna associate mine with hers at all. my reason for going is that i like understanding people and i believe there is what to be learned from everyone, whether its from what they say or what they dont say, butliekyea…not going to request an interview. im getting the impression that shes more than a little petulant and childish and theres nothing to be done about that. hopefully one day the glamour will wear off, the allure of all that can be will fade, and she’ll grow up. and thats not just about yahadus, thats about everything.

we speak ‘murrican!

health: you underestimate the power of a popular idea

to you. before you get all fire and brimstone, understand the problem. understand where it came from, and why she is the way she is. THEN judge it. i strongly disapprove of what she did and what shes done (take a quick look at her twitter and facebook accounts) and what shes doing and youll find plenty to disapprove of, but its still important to understand why.

health: there are many things that i understand but dont justify…my point is that before you dismiss something make sure you understand it

by the way, her book isnt out yet so we dont really know whats in it…all we have are her interviews. the impression i get is that she wrote her book to get past her…past…and that its one big self justification. but the truth is that her story is nothing incredible…i see it all the time. in fact her story is so incredibly ordinary that the only reason i can think of why it was published is the satmar bashing and the expose like feel that the promotion has.

but although her story is common, its often ignored. everyone makes a big stink about it when someone like her goes and writes a book about it, but not very many people care enough when her story is happening to a cousin, or a friend, or to a small but significant chunk of frum jews today.

pay attention as you walk through the streets, really look at peoples’ faces. do you see pain? are their heads down and shoulders hunched? do they look like they carry the weight of the world? i see her story in so many kids, and i see everyone do nothing.

which is why i would like to take this opportunity to capitalize on her temporary fame and sensation. ill be buying her book, and ill be attending her talk, and im going to try and get an interview because the impression i get, again i cant know if this is true yet because the book isnt out, is that she spends so much time bashing that she leaves out the important part…the experience, the pain. and i think that thats the story she should have, and perhaps wants to tell. without the slant, without the faux carefree attitude…the stury of a kid in pain who desperately cried for help.

i may be reaching, but i know many people who are in the situation she was in, and i know that thats how they feel. and i think its an important story to tell.

“This poor girl seems mentally ill.”

so thats it? the world is split into frum people and the mentally ill?

” I don’t understand why people couldn’t just reject the rigidity of Satmar and the like and just become frum Jews.”

because its not a matter of religion its a matter of society, community, and acceptance.

“She was seemingly always “off the derech” as she did not have or retain a love for Hashem and His Mitzvos. It’s a prime example of culture clash and has little to do with religion.”

which shows that you understand the difference between religion and society, and begs the question why you dont understand why she renounced her judaism.

” She is rebellious against G-d and His Torah”

yes but why?

” not just Chassidus. if she was, she would just become a regular religious Jew.”

the third time youve contradicted yourself

“I too was rebellious. I gave up eating trief, dressing immodestly and dating gentiles (all accepted and expected in my family).”

shkoyach. so you are the perfect parallel. you didnt go from being irreligious to being ever so slightly religious and stay there, you became frum. why go all the way? do you thing you would have been accepted by your community had you not gone all the way?

“The frum world, from MO to Yeshivish should be open and accepting of those off the derech and be available to them to find the proper road back.”

so now youre completely recanting everything you said, and are criticizing frum jewery.

“I would gladly have her, her son and her non-Jewish boyfriend over for Shabbos.”

have at it

soliek…i wanna try getting an interview with her…

i dont know if im going…id like to though

ugh…id give you an example of what it means to love unconditionally despite a person’s incredibly stupid mistake…but sadly that would be a breach of someone’s privacy so i cant…but if you understand where all the anger comes from, where the desire to bash orthodoxy comes from…youll pity not hate.

ratzon: your post is heartless and cruel and you have no idea what youre talking about. im deeply offended by it. maybe go out and talk to some jews before you claim to understand them.

mods i dont usually ask for threads to be closed, but this thread is disgusting and cant lead anywhere productive.

its just frustrating when people reject a perfectly reasonable middle ground in favour of inflammatory rhetoric and blind indictments of jews and judaism…

to sum it up nicely, if you don’t like something, if you think that society is in need of change, then lead by example. “Be the change you want to see in the world.” (~Mahatma Ghandi)

ugh…heres why it doesnt matter.

the secular world looks at us and calls us backwards. we stay celibate until marriage, we encourage modesty, we discourage drunk and disorderly conduct, we dress respectably, we act respectably, we watch our tongues, we love and fear our God, and we follow the Torah. so they call us backwards. they look at our laws and our customs and they denigrate them. but when they meet us, when they talk to us, when they interact with is, they are left with a feeling of wonder.

we, the backwards relics of the middle ages, the antithesis of societal progress and enlightenment, constantly shock the secular world with our actions, with our kindness, and with our lifestyle. when we strive to constantly make a kiddush hashem, to constantly improve and to be an ohr lagoyim, we make books like these absolutely irrelevant.

so i see no point in making a big stink about this, in trying to negate the PR, trying to rebut the claims, because i know that i dont need to write a book countering this one; i know that i dont need to get MY interview in the post. i know that by living my life according to the torah i negate everything in that book, and every negative perception of jews and judaism. and thats all that matters.

who cares?

i saw the article, i may even attend her book talk, but the honest answer is…who cares?

lol maybe now that Ami is getting dumped on by so many people they’ll be more willing to publish my content 😛

play the new york lottery–hey, you never know

build your own rig.

get yourself a nice case, a nice i7 proc, id recommend the sandy bridge series, 8 gigs of ram minimum, 16 if youre doing heavy video editing, an ATI Radeon HD 6970 video card (maybe two in a crossfire array if you’re rendering full HD video) and some biiiiiiig hard drives, and an SSD to run your operating system and essential software. its expensive, but trust me its worth every penny. i’ve built all of my computers and they work better than any stock computers ive ever used or owned.

i would say that my most controversial opinion is probably that the frum community, right wing more, left wing less, turns a blind eye to obvious problems like sexual abuse, mental illness, drug abuse (especially drug abuse) alcohol abuse, domestic violence, spousal infidelity, etc…because we have this idea that simply calling ourselves “frum” means that we are perfect. just because we call ourselves “frum.”

this applies more to chassidim, a bit less to yeshivish et al., and even less to Modern Orthodox.

“soliek and optimusprime – sorry but so not appropriate for this website. really surprised the mods let your posts through.”

the only thing dirty about that joke was the zebra 😛

way to blow something out of proportion…

yeah…the sheigetz who had me tied up in his basement finally let me go.

EDIT: guess not…seems that the bombmaniac account password was magically changed…

i miss that account…

😀

and haifagirl 😀

put a gun to his head, smile and tell him that its not personal–just business.