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  • in reply to: Clarification regarding Syrian Jewish Community and geirim #1151221
    SmokedSalmon
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    Mammle

    There was a convert who converted in israel, Rav Ovadiah Yosef the Gadol hador for Sephardim flew to Brooklyn to vouch for her and they still would not let her marry in.

    (It almost did create a schism because many did not want to disobey the Gadol Hador especially since he flew to Brooklyn to speak to the leaders)

    This story was related in a New York Times article about Syrian Jews. The woman who converted was involved in a romantic relationship with a member of the Syrian Jewish community which is probably why they refused to accept her.

    According to a thread on iamamother some geirim have been allowed to live in the community, but sincere converts (i.e. who converted for the love of Judaism) have not been allowed to marry Syrians. A comment on the daas torah article claims that a grandchild of one of the signatories in fact married a ger… it seems very unclear. Have any geirim been allowed to marry into the community. Are geirim who are not members of the community but choose to daven there allowed to get an aliyah? Are their children accepted in Syrian schools?

    in reply to: Convert Becoming A Rabbi #1151555
    SmokedSalmon
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    why Neville?

    in reply to: Shidduchim for Jews of color #1151088
    SmokedSalmon
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    To the OP, just curious, did the Rabbi who worked with this woman prior to her converting warn her that it would be very hard to find a shidduch in the community she was interested in living in? And do kiruv Rabbis warn BTs without ffb families in advanced it will be hard to find a shidduch with ffb families once you join us?

    It seems it was a risk she was willing to take in order to become a yid and serve Hashem. There are Jews of color who seem to integrate and find a spouse. I’ve never heard of a kiruv rabbi deterring a potential BT with regards to shidduchim

    in reply to: Sefardi Shadchanim #1150818
    SmokedSalmon
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    Sephardic connection:

    Matchmaker Haleh Benilevi

    Matchmaker Melody Aziz

    Matchmaker Elinor Tehrani

    Matchmaker Rabbi Doron Baalhaness

    Matchmaker Bob Liora Refua

    Check the website for numbers

    SephardicLink.com

    Mrs Minna Samra (SYAS) Brooklyn

    Israeli shadchanim on syas…

    Chazaq organisation

    Midrash ben ish chai

    Singles events at sephardi shuls

    Hatzlacha

    in reply to: Shidduchim for Jews of color #1151076
    SmokedSalmon
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    Why would it get closed?

    in reply to: Shidduchim for Jews of color #1151075
    SmokedSalmon
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    dovrosenbaum: If any SY marries a ger, they’re out of the community. No exceptions.

    They also do not allow gerim to hold membership or have aliyos in their shuls.”

    Is it fair to treat the ger tzedek who is 100% Jewish and for whom there is a mitzvah to love him in this way? I understand pushing people away if they dated a goyishe girl and then had her converted for marriage. There are many gerim whose sincerity is so obvious…the lengths they go to, the sacrifices they make. I don’t think many of us could show that commitment.

    in reply to: Shidduchim for Jews of color #1150992
    SmokedSalmon
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    What would be really bad for orthodox PR is if the everyone married colored people in the shule besides kohanim, then it would look like only white people were allowed to get the first alliya.

    in reply to: Shidduchim for Jews of color #1150974
    SmokedSalmon
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    it’s a complicated question with lots of things to consider. For example, how amenable is the giyores’s family to her conversion and to Jews in general? There has historically (since the ’60s) been a lot of friction between Jews and blacks, for example. Another consideration is politics- most minorities are liberal and most frum Jews are conservative, so that could be a sticking point. Finally, the gap in knowledge could be problematic. The husband will need to step it up and take the bulk of responsibility for raising a talmidei chachomim, sharing divrei Torah at the shabbos table, helping kids with their limudei kodesh homework, etc. Those are big responsibilities that are best shared…

    So while I as a single would have no issues going on a date w/ a giyores, I’d be more skeptical of it working out.

    zogt_besser

    I find it quite interesting that you work on the assumption that geirim are less knowledegable than FFB Jews. Sincere geirim are known to be very knowledgeable even more than the many FFBs who just do but don’t ask why. It takes years of study and more intense than becoming a BT.

    in reply to: Shidduchim for Jews of color #1150950
    SmokedSalmon
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    True…

    in reply to: Shidduchim for Jews of color #1150947
    SmokedSalmon
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    Joseph, I don’t think having a skin color preference is inherently wrong, but clearly something is the matter when this lovely lady who converted about 6 months ago after spending time in sem seems to be overlooked when others who share her status as a geir do not experience as much difficulty.

    Meno, I hear what you are saying but for many geirim the process takes a lot longer than 1/2 years in yeshiva/seminary, requires a lot more work and I would think that to successfully complete the geirus process, they’ve had to do a lot of figuring themselves out and soul searching. If their rabbeim say they are ready to date, who are we to dictate to them?

    The Wolf, thank you for answering.

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