SJSinNYC

Yit, I didn’t say its not possible. I said its not logical. Vast difference.

How is it logical that Lot’s wife turned to a pillar of salt?

Miracle basically means “against the normal nature of the world” – doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but its not your general logical approach. Some miracles can be explained through physics/nature, but most cannot.

“Nothing in the Torah can be disproven with logic” – do you include miracles? Because those are not logical.

The Rav of my shul is also a teacher at a nearby school. He can’t answer questions during class! He does have hours, but if you leave him a message, he will call you back. Generally he is fast.

One time, I really needed a fast answer and we couldn’t get through to him. I called his house and cell phone. It was early morning (7 am). I waited for about an hour but then needed an answer so I stalked him 🙂 I went to his house and rang the bell and apologized profusely. Turned out he had been in shul between 7-7:40 and hadn’t checked his messages yet.

Overall, I think it depends on the size of the shul and his salary. If he is being paid as a full time Rabbi (meaning, a real living wage) whos sole purpose is to be available to the shul, then his hours should be much longer.

If he is giving a smaller wage and has a regular job, his hours should be shorter.

If I found out my husband had been with another woman and did not tell me about it, our marriage would be over. I may not be entitled to a get, but he certainly would cease being my husband in any way.

mybat, sure there were people who went OTD. But nowadays it is supremely easy.

It used to be about making a major life change. You went OTD, you didn’t live in the Ghetto. You didn’t have access to your families. You were totally cut off and had to integrate into outside culture. You had to try to blend in. You didn’t flaunt your culture or heritage (anyone, not just Jews). If you weren’t a WASP, you did everything you could to live up to what they did.

Nowadays people are live and let live type. No one cares what you do or how you do it or when you do it.

This is much more dangerous than hatred.

arc, people don’t care. And if he wants to leave Orthodox Judaism, presumably he would take off his kippah.

I’ve been thinking about this for a while, and I think its not so much that kids are so sensitive, its that the outside world is so welcoming, no one needs to stay in their spot anymore.

What I mean is that in the middle ages or ancient history, you were defined by your religion. So a Christian lived with Christians and a Jew lived with Jews and they only did cross business. They didn’t socialize, marry etc.

As society gets more and more open and accepting, we have the opposite problem of discrimination. An adult child (meaning 18+) can get a job, live anywhere, make friends with people who have totally different values. If they find out he’s Jewish, who cares? Or cool, he has ethnic traditions.

Judaism doesn’t have the societal hold it once had, so it has to win everyone over on merits. Which can be done.

Tamir also had the opportunity to play for a better school, but turned it down because they refused to respect his Shabbos schedule.

I stand corrected then.

hashkafa does make a difference. not all are created equal.

This may not be the case with BYOBP, but smaller schools are generally less efficient than larger ones and have contributed to spreading money too thin.

I would rather send my child to a yeshiva slightly left or right of where I am then send my child to public school with no frum kids. School hashkafa doesn’t have to match up exactly.

Do you know what a prutzah is? If people really understood then they wouldn’t toss this word around as if it were nothing.

Many women who don’t dress tzanua are still fairly modest. Most of them wear clothing that is just approximately at their knees or what not. Does it make what they are doing right? No. But it doesn’t mean they are anything close to what they are being called.

People call lettuce which does not have bugs removed treif. Its not really – if you eat around the bugs, the lettuce is perfectly fine.

says who, I am not allowed to ask a halachic question? I think its a fair statement.

The school needs money to run. They need to know they have that money coming in so that they can pay their teachers and their mortgage etc. If you don’t have a way to pay, isn’t that gneivah?

GAW, you might be right. I usually expect sources from you, not conjecture LOL.

And that has nothing to do with whether kids should be in school or not.

Charlie, there is Chidon Tanach for that.

Dr. Pepper, part of it is about parents desire to give their kids the best. I want to be able to help my children start out life debt free (I did). I want them to enjoy summer camp (I did). I want them to enjoy a summer in Israel (I did).

But I don’t think my children are entitled to it.

My grandfather also said it best. “When I was young enough to eat an Ox, I couldn’t afford one. Now I can afford one, but can’t eat one.”

We all want to be able to have these things easily without working for them. I know I do. But I remind myself all the time that life is hard work and I can’t get the enjoyment if I don’t put in the time and effort. Even then I may not.

I find it funny that people seem to think a Yeshiva education will “break the poverty cycle.”

This is only true if:

1) Jews did not have adequate access to public school education

2) Yeshivas did not bankrupt families

3) Yeshivas encouraged/supported College or Trade school

4) Yeshivas discouraged full time Kollel across the board

Otherwise, public school education is free and assuming one is in a decent school district, give you a good education to get to college.

Most people I know grew up middle class and Yeshiva is bankrupting them. In Bergen County, the average household income is just under $100,000. Are you telling me $100,000 isn’t enough to support a family? Well, if you are paying yeshiva education it is NOT.

We require Jewish families to be top earners across America. We better make sure their jobs reflect that.

Tight shell is a different problem from tank top on shell.

I don’t wear either.

I would tell them to eat very minimal food. Like, eat rice and beans a lot more. Basic, minimal food that still provides proper nutrients. Its also not a matter of thinking less, but it is a bottom line matter. If you have $2500-$5000 to spare, that money SHOULD be going to the school barring extreme circumstances.

And you (general) shouldn’t be going to the bungalow colony.

And both parents should be working. Night shifts if child care is too expensive.

Sure people aren’t paid on a per child basis. Maybe they need to make tough decisions on who to send to yeshiva or who not?

Clearly in Lakewood, people aren’t making that decision and two schools closed down. So now NONE of those kids have a yeshiva education.

1 is a rebbe in a school where his kids go for free. No cleaning help, the kids pitch in

1 is wealthy

2 get huge handouts for tuition but has no cleaning help

1 pays full tuition, has cleaning help and just makes it

1 has kids that are fully grown at the moment but did pay full tuition

The question was “Shouldn’t that $2500-$5000 go towards the school instead of making your life easier?” and a follow up “If not, who should pay that difference?”

GAW, it means that I can’t understand her position because I don’t have 8 kids.

Blinky, you didn’t answer the question.

I am surrounded by plenty of large families. My stepsister has 10 kids. My cousins have 10 kids. My stepfather has 7. My best friends growing up had 7, 8 and 8.

blinky, so who should pay the cost of the cleaning help. I am assuming that a family of 8 already gets a large tuition break. Shouldn’t that $2500-$5000 go towards the school instead of making your life easier?

Like I said, life is about difficult choices. Nowadays, no one wants to choose and wants someone else to foot the bill.

Mazal tov to my husband on finishing his masters!

Mazal tov to my son on his first occassion of singing adon olam on the bimah at shul (during services). He is 2.5 and loves davening!

Sof, I have heard people say “I’m not makpid on lashon hara.”

And do you want them to give up mitzvot they keep just because they don’t keep something else? If that were the case, I don’t think anyone would be frum.

Do you support a frum man convicted of a crime (that he is guilty of) asking for kosher meals?

This thread is really interesting.

If we oppose Muslims building their recreational center, it has nothing to do with Islamophobia. But if people oppose the building of a shul when there are ten more within 3 blocks, its clearly anti-semitism right? It has nothing to do with traffic or tax base or anything like that.

As to why they chose this site – it was an easy buy. Lease with a buy option.

As to their sense of building it – it may not be so “sensitive” but I can’t ask them to change based on MY sensitivities. Unless you are willing to do the same.

I do think the Baruch Goldstein comparison is a good one. He was Jewish. Many people support his actions. So even if he is one lone Jew, perhaps we should stay away?

We live in a country with Islamophobia right now. Look around how many mosques are being stopped (or trying to be stopped) around the country. Right here in Staten Island even.

Just this location my foot.

Well, I remember someone showing it to me. I never owned one so I may be remembering wrong though. It happens 🙂

The TI-92 plus maybe was the one that showed the steps in symbolic form. That would have been golden.

I started in HS with a TI-83. I remember getting a program to “build” Mickey Mouse on screen.