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Arc, I think that was his sarcastic point.
Why is Rambam not practical? Much of his philosophy (the rational/science based parts especially) really resonate with a lot of people.
Sacrilege, there is no need to teach how to make a fancy cheesecake. If you want to make one, try it out at home. Jewish women don’t need to be gourmet cooks.
Jewish women really do need a strong foundation in halacha, Jewish philosophy etc and also need the ability to learn on their own. If you don’t understand that this is important in today’s day and age, I think you don’t understand the draw of society.
Because I personally don’t want to pay $20,000 for my child to learn to make cheesecake. For that, I can keep her home and teach her myself.
I think what is more practical is to give the girls apartments and have them be responsible for their meals. Give them a weekly apartment budget at the grocery store (so they learn to compromise on what they can afford) and have each girl responsible for a dinner. Then mentor the girl on simple, good food.
It would take a lot less time and give them real understanding of cooking for a family. No formal lesson really needed on how to roast a chicken.
I would rather my daughters have a strong foundation of Torah knowledge than know how to bake a cheesecake.
Cooking is not rocket science – open a recipe book and follow.
Nowadays, we are really sending girls a mixed message. On the one hand, she is supposed to take care of the home, the children etc. On the other, she is supposed to be the breadwinner and support her husband in Kollel.
Torah knowledge is needed to combat women’s exposure. I would rather my daughter know how to read a Rambam than bake a fancy cheesecake.
How about a compromise? 2/3 day yeshiva and take some courses, working towards a degree.
My BIL did his associates while in Yeshiva and it landed him a great job when he got married. He continued to get his bachelors after that. [His associates was practical]
Ben Torah, at least in Israel, girls are more likely to be out and about doing the shopping, bussing to school, doing errands etc. At least, that has been my experience.
So yes, they are taking public transportation.
Gallavanting was perhaps an embellishment LOL.
OK trying to be serious here.
I would assume that its relating to Dina – going out,
My problem with this is I would think its a lot less tzanua for a single woman to be gallavanting around the country on public transportation. She is more likely to be sexually harrassed or violated than if she is driving her own car.
I recommend going to ths.gardenweb.com – its basically a ton of information on household stuff. I love that site.
ROFL.
Lets assume its serious.
What are the halachic problems of a girl driving before marriage?
Men are punished with toiling in the land.
And if we were really worried about maintaining the pain of childbirth we wouldnt allow epidurals.
Its fantastic!
Its generally lowly chaperoned so if she wants to get into trouble she can.
I went on a coed/frum bus and there was some drinking. No drugs or other inappropriateness.
My husband went on a frum mens only tour and said the same thing.
My sons english names don’t really correspond to their hebrew names.
Myfriend, are you willing?
And LOL Squeak.
I used to be friends with Mario Cuomo. Does that count?
I’m with Squeak – so many people I work with have their MBA (and from NYU) that its no longer a big deal.
To be fair to the BTL getters – they learn Talmud on a very high level (lhavdil if you were in school for Russian literature, their 400 level courses in Talmud are probably higher or at least as high as Russian LIterature).
Cherrybim, I hope you don’t leave your chanukah candles alone. Nor do you leave the candle searchign for chametz alone.
I don’t live in a Yiddish atmosphere. I woudln’t understand anyone if I did.
GAW, I was always tauught its a wonderful mitzvah but not a requirement.
And the “incomplete” is sort of my answer. I wanted to spend the rest of my life with my husband, otherwise he would be missing from it.
Matziv, I am not required to get married. I am not obligated in pru urevu. Why should I get married?
I got married to my husband because I loved him and wanted to spend my life with him. I had no specific plans to get married otherwise. What for? I don’t need the institution of marriage just to be married.
Thanks Popa.
Find me 10 married women who are willing to go along with this.
I don’t want to give up having my husband to myself. I don’t want him having a physical or emotional relationship with other women.
Sarah suggested it because she was barren. Look at the trouble it caused her.
Myfriend, someone proved on a different thread that it couldn’t be the purpose of marriage because you could fulfill pru urivu through a pilegesh.
I got married to have a closer relationship with my husband. Children are the outpouring of our love.
She isn’t married. I think its easier to say when you aren’t the one giving up your spouse to someone else.
How many women on this site would agree to let their husbands marry another woman? I know I wouldn’t.
AinOhd, with the exception of unaffiliated Jews, everyone I know knows their hebrew name. In all schools I’ve attended, in hebrew classes kids were called by their hebrew names EVEN IF they are called by their english names during secular studies.
Mod80, I know of people who had that same psak with a “non-hebrew” name that they were called by that as their Jewish name even though it wasn’t technically a Jewish name. [It was a hungarian name I think]
AinOhd, all Jewish kids that I know of have hebrew names. Unless they have a yiddish name so then what will they do?
Yiddish name is NOT a hebrew name. Hence, why my FIL has 3 names. 1 for use in the US, 1 for use in Yiddish speaking communities and 1 for use for halachic things (like aliyot and stuff).
We call our kids by their english names.
In today’s day and age, its not a huge deal.
My FIL has a hebrew name, a yiddish name and an english name.
We all have fixable flaws. If we waited for them to be fixed, no one would get married.
Even Yaakov had trouble with his multiple wives (not necessarily directly, but jealousy and trouble from having them).
I would not support polygamy today.
My step-brother in law is sephardi and jokes about takinga second wife sometimes.
I wore makeup to my wedding, and immediate family weddings. That’s it. Every once in a while, I’ll put on a light colored lipstick (usually a color that matches my lips to moisturize for chapped lips).
But I’m so naturally beautiful LOL (j/k for anyone who thinks this is serious).
Am I the only person around that doesn’t use any makeup?
Mod42, a friend of mine rebelled against her MO family and became yeshivish. They all followed suit.
She admits that it was a rebellion LOL. And that if her parents had forced these things on her she would have gone in the opposite direction.
It won’t be 45 kids. By 4 most kids are in school. Chances are, there will be at most 12 little kids at home. Plus the older kids can help out.
If need be, another wife CAN stay home. It just means less money. Or add another wife.
Ben Torah, a true relationship?
Please show me how many families can take their salary, divide it in two and still be able to afford basic shelter, food, clothing and tuition.
Most people I know have trouble supporting 1 family, let alone 2. I think the possibility of a true Yissachar/Zevulun relationship is rare.
Its actually a great solution for the Kollel community.
Man marries 5 women. He learns. 4 wives work, 1 wife stays home with the kids.
Im generally weary of small businesses so I stick to larger ones.
I don’t think we have a Jewish dry cleaner in town.
I would also be wary of disputes with Jewish owners and having to deal with Beis Din. So no, unless the store has a great reputation (like Town Appliance in Lakewood) or the purchase is minor enough that I can “eat” a loss if need be (like a jean skirt).
We all have our “items” – for some people its height, for others its hair color (like no redheads!)
I think its fair to have a few specifics but not fair to say “I won’t date a woman who weighs more than 130 lbs soaking wet, has brown hair, has any freckles, is taller than 5’4″, non-athletic build, bunions, large knuckles, large ears, pointy nose, removed tonsils and has a unibrow (whether or not she waxes).” There comes a point where its just ridiculous.
mw13, nice idea!
Satmar – Bikur Cholim!
For women, wearing sandals can be dressy. Many women in my company wear dressy sandals when weather appropriate.
And the cadets don’t look down on someone because they aren’t wearing their uniform. They think they are superior for what they are DOING, not what they are wearing.
When someone shows me that wearing black/white means the person is a better Jew, then maybe you’ll convince me.
LOL Moq.
My point is that each “side” has things that aren’t great and until we realize and accept that (not the sins), we could try to get along.
I personally get along with plenty of people from non-Jews, non-religious Jews, MO, Yeshivish, Chassidim. I don’t know any Israeli Charedim so I don’t have anything to base it on yet.
You can only go apple picking if you are using the apples for 2nd days (at least per my Rav).
didu, I too think its ridiculous.
I think people are afraid of:
1) Non-frum relatives that may be part of their grandchildrens lives
2) What their neighbors will say when they find out
3) The lack of “yichus”
4) whats the neighbors will say when they find out
Its part of the many problems that exist in the shidduch world today. Are you parents rich? Money solves many things.
This post makes me so sad. I think society is the ultimate villian. But they each need to take responsibility for their actions.