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The “Is fun allowed” was a question to Squeak who said we were reverting back to germanic wedding styles. As I’m half German and understand the “no sense of humor” thing, it made me laugh and was a natural question.
Again, where did I define my version of fun?
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I don’t know what YU abominations you are talking about. I’ve heard plenty of stories about Yeshiva dorms though.
We can trade stories from today until tomorrow. Observance is a personal thing.
The organization exists because there are Chassidish people going OTD who need help integrating into society. You can’t deny that. Their services (per their website) include educational, vocational and emotional support.
GAW, you love a true scotsman reference 🙂
Also, if Chassidim have such a great success rate (which I might postulate is because their birth rate is much higher), why are there organizations out there geared towards helping them leave the ultra-orthodox lifestyle in which they were raised? There is clearly a demand.
I don’t consider chassidim any more observant than Yeshivish or MO people. I think observence level is something personal – you can have a MO person who keeps halacha better than a chassidish person and vice versa.
If you are referencing more sheltered vs less sheltered, than say that.
WIY, what’s my definition of fun?
But GAW, I’m not a man. That’s what my husband has to do. All I have to do is sit back and revel in the schar from his learning!
It was in reference to the notion that no man should ever see a woman dressed nicely to look at.
myfriend, I don’t represent MO any more than you represent Yeshivish society. I represent SJSinNYC and that’s it.
I don’t think Tu B’Av is appropriate in today’s climate. At least not for me.
I did dance in white dress on the day I got married. My own mini Tu B’Av.
LMA, you are woefully ignorant of MO thought process and philosophy. Who says MO people don’t believe in mystical aspects of mitzvos? Why does that mean they don’t perform mitzvos because Hashem commanded them? That is WHY we keep mitzvos. We would even if there were no kabbalistic reason.
And why would a woman not want to rely on her husband’s learning? Would you rely on paying someone else to do mitzvos for you? Especially if it helps you connect to Hashem?
Is fun allowed?
The sweetbreads we get are pancreas.
GAW, you could make a strong argument that a wedding would count. Most of the friends of the bride and groom are of marriageable age and it would be a great place for prospective men to scout prospective women.
There are many women who have trouble getting shidduch dates. This would be an excellent venue. Obviously, they should be dressed tzanua.
And LOL at the misuse of Tu B’Av.
Mod80, I have a lot of respect for Daas Torah. I don’t have a lot of respect when people throw around things and just say no. I may disagree with logic of some Daas Torah (usually based on my Daas Torah), but that’s different IMO.
If we are really worried about teenagers viewing each other inappropriately, maybe they shouldn’t be invited to the wedding? In all seriousness here…because just by attending, in MOST places, they may see each other. Except in halls where they are basically seperate buildings.
Mod-80, I’m not attacking Torah values. I’m attacking the notion that a man should never, ever lay eyes on a woman in any way shape or form. Especially a single woman who may become his bride! No way should a woman stand near one while he dances to impress her.
I love sweetbreads (AKA pancreas)
Moq, it was in response to the statements of “heaven forbid a single man should see a good looking, dressed up woman at a wedding” and possibly inquire about her?
Is everyone here against Tu B’Av also?
Mazal, call AJ Madison. I think they are in BP and they have awesome prices.
Also, Town Appliance delivers to Brooklyn and you can ask them for models, look up pictures online and then order.
APY, but pretty entertaining 🙂
When he arises from the dead, we’ll talk.
myfriend, I think you owe me an apology for practically calling me an apikores. At least, implying it with your words.
WIY, when I was in HS, one of my friends was going down a bad path. She wasn’t doing anything terrible yet…but she was getting worse and worse.
Finally, she hitched a ride in the back of a van (seats taken out) with a guy I knew did drugs (I wasn’t sure if he was using at that point).
I went to her father. Her father and I were very close and I knew he could handle hearing it and would react appropriately. My friend asked me point blank if I had told her father and I said yes. We are still super close to this day.
GAW, you always come through for me 🙂 (even though we don’t always agree – you are always honest. I find that admirable)
GAW, I would seperate the kid dealing drugs vs dealing porn.
Neither is good, but drugs is something that needs a much harsher way of being dealt with, like rehab.
A kid who distributes porn once or twice can be rehabilitated in school, possibly (situation dependant of course).
Women don’t just learn Rashi. They learn many, many meforshim in depth. Rambam, Ramban, Radak, Eben Ezra…are those just “pshat” too? I’m talking about very Yeshivish Bais Yaakovs here.
So a question to you myfriend: do you think women who learn TSBP (and lets include Rashi and all the meforshim here) should be blacklisted on the shidduch market? They are going against the SA!
As an aside, I’m ashkenazi. Ashkenazim usually follow the Rema on the SA, not the SA itself, no?
Ronsr, I don’t think they are scared. I think they are worried how financially it will work out, since the more religious you are in Israel, the more you generally rely on government services.
Having lots of children can be a blessing…but if you don’t care for them properly, it can turn into a big negative.
So, I didn’t call the SA false. It talks about TEACHING torah shebaal peh to women.
I haven’t learnt it inside in a long time. So maybe GAW can clear things up.
But please explain how BYs teach rashi.
False myfriend.
The conclusion is that women are not allowed to be TAUGHT Torah shebaal peh.
And even that conclusion is shaky. Otherwise, you are saying every Bais Yaakov is teaching tiflus? With the exception of Satmar maybe, EVERY girls school teaches Rashi.
Yes.
Teaneck. That’s fairly typical.
Invite them to your house. There is a limited amount of trouble they could get into with your supervision.
Listen to your children. Talk to them. Find out why they like these particular kids.
The boys may not actually be bad, just misunderstood.
Aries,
That story is so sad, and unfortunately not atypical.
I can say that the old Rebetzin in Bais Yaakov of Monsey understood that and took in my sister who was definitely not your “typical BY girl” and helped her through challenging years. Even when my sister flaunted authority and wore blue nailpolish or no socks/stockings.
I know that the Rebetzin is sitting in olam haba smiling down on all of us. She did so much right in her life.
Just under $11,000 for a plot of land that’s 60X125
Parenting magazine also had 20% off coupons. If you don’t get the magazine, buy one on ebay.
I also love liverwurst. Am I the only one?
Use cloth diapers. Its not that big of a deal once you get the hang of it.
myfriend, women are allowed to learn gemara. The question is really whether or not you can formally teach them.
Really, would you trust a religion where more than 50% of its members were cut off from major chunks of information? I wouldn’t.
I asked my son what he was doing and he said “I’m being cute!”
I’m surpised at the berry recommendation. I know many Yeshivish people don’t eat them.
Tongue sandwich.
Extra points for a hot open tongue. No raisins.
myfriend, you seem to like to sweep problems in the frum community under the rug. I hope you are never in a situation where you need people to believe that someone from the frum community may have done something not 100% kosher.
Wolf, if her masters is in an acceptable Jewish profession (like OT/PT or speech), its ok.
Otherwise, its important to divorce her immediately and find a new wife through the shidduch system.
Anyone else think yushka’s name is a little strange for YWN?
GAW, I’m immune to social pressure and live in Teaneck 🙂 I don’t earn $200,000 either LOL.
GAW, its not always so simple and you know that 🙂
There is tremendous social pressure and financial pressure. Many schools don’t allow siblings to stay if one kid is pulled out (unless of course you are rich). Ideally, sure.
I would show them Mayim Bialik’s latest article against watching TV.
Here we go again…
I’m wearing a short denim skirt, long sleeve blue t-shirt and sneakers today.
I believe in being casual unless you have a reason to be otherwise.
I would rather my kids teachers (at a young age at least) be comfortable and not worried about ruining thier head covering.
If yeshivas are turning kids off from frumkeit, are they still worth it?
Its a hard balance – people don’t prioritize money for tuition. People don’t think about careers to go into to be able to afford their children’s tuition. Then we have to pay teachers low salaries.
I had a teacher in 8th grade that really screwed me up. She stressed 100% the wrong things in life (like it’s assur to wear skirts down to you ankles) and constantly contradicted many of our Rabbonim. It took me 4 years at a good high school to really straighten me out.
She’s still teaching :-/
I was lucky because I recovered.
Moq, I know it doesn’t actually connect, but I think part of men think that. I’ve had men say to me “women don’t learn gemara because they are stupid” and quote that. I just roll my eyes and move on.