I anticipated these rebuttals. Firstly, Dumbledore may have had that plan of action regarding the DA ready, but simply pulled it out of the bag at the correct moment. And also, when he cried, that could have been more as a result of being touched by the situation in the office, as it was. Imagine Dumbledore sitting in his office eavesdropping on Harry’s conversation. In the context of Harry’s argument there wasn’t much to get emotional about, Harry was just angry. But in Dumbledore’s office, he was announcing his full loyalty in a much more moving manner, and that is why he cried. Or, he was faking, an elaborate ploy to get Harry to avert his eyes so he would not notice that Dumbledore was obviously not that surprised.

I agree that both of these are highly unlikely, but then again the entire premise of the theory is patchy, as I mentioned earlier.

I am told in certain circles a man does not address his wife by her first name.

I just call them No. 1, No. 2 and ‘Carrot’.

And assuming in future years some of my siblibgs’ offspring start regularly calling me Uncle, what do you suggest I do when I get one that’s older than me.

OK, it’s pretty much an impossible question if you assume it’s the same Avery. Voldermort and the Marauders certainly did not go to Hogwarts at anywhere near the same time, that much is obvious. There is at least a 10 year gap.

So we will just have to answer that it is not the same Avery, but an uncle, son or other relative of the Avery who attended in Snape and the Maruaders’ time. Considering they were doubtless a Pure-Blood family, it is not too much of a stretch to say that numerous Averys would have attended Hogwarts. And the Avery we see later on during the War could be either, probably the younger. The other one could have been killed, captured or simply not mentioned in the books.

And you neglected to mention Rosier, who may or not be related to the Evan Rosier killed in a struggle with Aurors at the end of Voldermort’s first uprising, who is documented as being in school with Snape. There are doubtless numerous wizarding families who had members at Hogwarts several times during the period.

Duke

There already is a Palestinian states. Sorry, two Palestinian states. Actually, technically there are three.

One is Gaza. It is governed completely by the Palestinians. This is the first instance in history of self-determination for Arabs in the historic land of Israel (As many have pointed out, the Palestinians are not genuinely a distinct group, just an extension of the wider Middle-Eastern Arab population). And look how that turned out. They voted in a recognized terrorist organization, who proceeded to eliminate all political opposition, ruin any hope of peace for it’s residents for the foreseeable future, subjugate it’s inhabitants, and launch a long bloody, pointless campaign against it’s stronger neighbour.

The second is the de facto Palestinian State in the West Bank. They have a President, a Prime Minister, a Parliament, a Police force, an entire bureaucracy and educational system, and tax raising and administrative powers, all aided and abetted by Israel. But they still refuse to take any proactive steps towards genuine peace, despite the Israeli Government giving way on many (too many) key issues, and granting them much autonomous power they frankly cannot be trusted with. And the West Bank is still a hotbed of terrorism and lawlessness, and any decorum that is there is due to the Israeli influence.

And the third, perhaps surprisingly, Jordan. At one point, more than two thirds of Jordan’s population were Palestinian, and they are still in the majority. Even the Prime Minister was Palestinian. This should have been satisfactory, but for uncertain reasons they launched a long and bloody campaign against the administration (of which much was Palestinian), and lost. Despite this, they are still the dominant force in the country, but refuse to integrate or acknowledge this.

And if you wished, you could count Lebanon, where too Palestinian groups took control of Beirut and launched numerous wars against Christian groups, and would have won without Israeli involvement.

All this is further proof of the general Palestinian myths. Firstly, the Palestinians neither desire nor will permit peace. Secondly, they are not a common historical entity. The Arabs in Gaza and the Arabs in the West Bank have less in common with each other than most Arabs in the region have with each other. Add to that that Arabs can, if they so wished, live perfectly harmoniously within Israel proper.

It is further proof, if proof were needed, that the only purpose of the ‘Palestinian cause’, is that the wider Arab population will not accept a large Jewish population or state as a neighbour, and wish the entire region to be exclusively theirs. That is their long term aim, not peace or self determination, for if they truly wanted either of those things they could have them in an instant. The Palestinians are simply a useful tool, as always.

I do have a question on it though. Chassidish people also incorporate Torah into every aspect of their lives. Why aren’t they referred to as “yeshivish chassidish people”?

Sorry, but that’s not a question, that’s exactly the point. That is what should be the case, but unfortunately isn’t.

OK, I think we all noted the cleverly worded title.

And on the actual subject of the thread title, it’s a good general point. If the subject matter isn’t serious (like the renamed ‘Soccer’ thread), then everything on it should be taken in the light-hearted, occasionally humorous nature in which it was intended.

Interestingly, the main problem I’ve noted since my arrival is people concerned that I might have taken them seriously, not vice versa.

Perhaps not a ????, but definitely a ?????.

Thanks, it’s a work in progress.

What it should mean is where ones learning impacts on every facet of their life. That is to say, not just the the way you speak and the way you interact, but the way you think.

Unfortunately, what yeshivish is often taken to mean is the way you dress and the like.

In the back row, sirvoddmort and yekke2 are vociferously debating the advantages of a faster broom vs. a more maneuverable broom.

As a relative newcomer, I’m not sure I feel qualified to add to this post. Plus, I am concerned that I may just be speaking a different language.

I would just like to register my protest at ScaredDD for typecasting me as being only occupied in matters of the intercontinental divide and getting one up on the colonial commoners 🙁 (and now I’ve been forced into using an emoticon, which I detest on principle).

If I must have a role in this escapade, please let it be more in the role PAA cast me in, as above, as a self confessed HP nut. And, whilst on the subject, closer examination of the books would reveal that Harry almost always comes from behind the opposing seeker to claim the snitch, meaning that having a faster broom is almost always a bigger advantage, much like in American Football, were speed is prized over technical prowess.

Duke

OK, it wasn’t the classiest comment. But that does not make it any less ironic, and it is amusing to find that it warrants a serious reply regarding the usefulness of cats, which completely misses the (admittedly lame) point.

But cats aren’t kosher.

The only reason I am even considering joining this discussion is that I’m coming to the CR straight after my first babysitting stint in about two years. But here goes…

Carrot and Stick. Not too much carrot as to reward bad behaviour (Off the point, Spellcheck, if you try and give me American spelling once more, I’ll dismember the annoying paperclip), not too much stick as to inspire resentment. It works.

Talk to them with respect. This does not mean flattering them or talking to them as adults. Just respect.

be firm. If you go back on your word once, they’ll push you to do it again.

Be their friend. What I mean to say is if you are generally nice to a kid, and really listen to them, they are far more likely to listen to you at a later stage. I don’t mean act like a friend rather than a parent, just that negativity alone does not get results.

And finally, every single bit of this advice will go straight out of the window when I get kids of my own, and am just desperate to go to sleep. But it will serve nicely as a diary entry to remind me in future years that I once had what could be considered principles.

Am very dissapointed at the change of thread title ‘Football’ to Soccer, and the ‘Football Role Models’ thread.

The last time I checked the site said Yeshiva World News. Therefore, the site should conform to international standards. I am perfectly willing to accept that in a conversation between Americans, they refer to Football as Soccer and American Football, or Gridiron, as Football. This is what they call it in their country, and within their borders they are welcome to.

But this is, unless I am mistaken, the premier site for the entire Yeshiva World (I will take this to mean places with yeshivish communities and/or yeshivas). This includes Belgium, France, Switzerland and of course the UK and Israel. In all of these countries, Football means Soccer, and as such it is not too much to as that the site respects this diversity and follows the opinion of most communities, that Football refers to the sport of soccer and not AF. Thanking you and awaiting the correction.

All other languages have a consortum that decides what is and what is not a word in that language.

Please google OED, or Oxford English Dictionary.

There is an American language. It’s called American English, but it’s really not English. It’s American, which makes it a thousand times better than English.

I could refute every single one of these slights against the English, and may indeed do so at some future point (definitely deserves it’s own thread). But for now this will have to suffice.

‘American’ English is merely a simplified version of what you would call ‘The Queen’s’ English. Case in point, ‘sidewalk’. Whilst the original language recognizes that describing a concrete noun (pun intended) with the term pavement is perfectly understandable, and is a natural progression of language, coming up with a name for unique objects. The Americans, however, seem not to grasp this, and require a seperate name that describes the function of a pavement, hence ‘side-walk’, something on the side upon with you walk.

And you have the audacity to castigate original English for the noun/verb balance, when sidewalk is guilty of precisely that fault.

But instead of deconstructing the faults of the American corruption of the English language, I will sum it up as follows. If we invented it, we decide how to use it, how to spell it, and how to define it. The day our colonial cousins learn to come up with their own language, they can ruin that. And I’ll leave you with this quote from Her Majesty the Queen, in conversation with the late Steve Jobs (before he died, obviously),

“Dear Mr. Jobs: There’s no such thing as ‘American English’, just English…. and mistakes”

Yes, we made up the word, as I said before, but it is only a slang word for football. Worldwide, the sport is known as football, and as that is what it has always been called, it shall remain so. I am not asking you to call American football gridiron or whatever. Football is, as you yourself have pointed out, the true name of soccer. Everyone calls it that, and, seeing how it more accurately describes our game than yours, and that we got there first, and that we invented the whole language, in an international conversation respect the facts.

I also support Man U and also the Chudley Cannons.

Well, you’ve not picked the best teams at the moment, have you?

And showojoe, kindly refer to the other thread. But just for the record, 75% of those currently involved in this thread are referring to what you would call ‘soccer’.

As rabble-rousing as the two boys were, we are supposed to believe that they never once checked up on their little brother before they gave the map to Harry?

This question is genuinely difficult. I have heard that the answer JK gave is that the twins would not know who Peter Pettigrew was, or at least not recognize it, and , not knowing every singly person in the school, disregard it.

I personally do not like this answer for a few reasons.

Firstly, Sirius Black was a famous murderer, and it is a bit of a stretch to say they wouldn’t recognize him.

Even assuming his name is not widely known (considering that Harry in the third book only found out by eavesdropping on a private conversation between teachers, indicating it was not widely known among students), this unknown person would be in constant close proximity to their brother, leading to at least some curiosity over who he was.

So we may just have to assume that they didn’t know who he was, didn’t check up on Ron often enough to notice that Peter was always there, and that they weren’t particularly interested in checking up on him anyway, no matter what their mother told them. Also, they shared the Map, so the likelihood of looking long enough to notice something wrong is halved.

Man United? That’s not real football. That’s soccer. I am on the British site or something? Let me check.

PLease refer to the other thread, regarding football ‘role models’, for my view on this matter. No, you are not on the British site, you are on the international site. And internationally, football is the accepted term for the world’s most popular sport.

Kindly refer to what Americans laughingly call a sport as ‘American Football’, or more accurately, ‘slightly rubbish rugby’. This will clear up the obvious confusion.

Any sport where one has to don 10kg of equipment to play, and where the action is played out in ten second bursts every ten minutes, is not a sport (and I know those figures may not be entirely accurate, but the point stands).

Everton?

I mean, they’re decent but they do not belong on that list. Nor, for that matter, do Manchester United, on current form. And no, I would not accuse you of being a glory supporter, seeing as there is precious little around Old Trafford at this present moment.

And to sum up, the game of Football (or Soccer according to our linguistically challenged cousins), whilst interesting and enjoyable to participate in and watch, is generally played by the sort of character you would not wish to meet in a dark alley, or a brightly lit road for that matter. They are certainly not worth emulating in any fashion.

I can only assume the partially hidden one who started this thread is attempting to make a joke, or at least incredibly misinformed. This being due to several factual inaccuracies. Firstly, Luis Suarez has thrice bitten other players on the field of play, repeatedly cheats and abuses others, and is currently serving a lengthy ban, and, on top of that, plays for Barcelona, not Liverpool. He is probably one of the most reprehensible human beings alive today. And Lionel Messi, despite being an excellent player, is not a role model by anybody’s standards.

And as regards American Rugby Football, whilst I am not particularly knowledgeable regarding this subject, I can only assume they too are anything but role models. At least if OJ Simpson is anything to go by.

Lionel Messi is a Soccer player not a Football player

Football – A sport played by kicking a spherical object, a.k.a a ball, with your foot. Hence the name football.

American Football – A sport played by throwing an oval object, with your hands.

And before some pedant begins harking on about Soccer being called such by the English, or any other of the inhabitants of this planet who have the good sense to recognize a beautiful game when they see one (this excludes those of the American persuasion), the name soccer comes from Association Football, meaning the original, and true name of the beautiful game is, and always has been, football.

And if anyone wishes to persist in erroneously referring to the less exciting version of rugby with the moniker ‘Football’, please preface it with the words ‘American’, allowing all of us not of that persuasion to recognize the poster’s nationality, give them a wide berth and allow them back to discussing their far inferior form of ‘sport’.

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