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golfer- I agree that serving in the army is more valuable in that regard than working. My point is, is that if a person needs a parnassah, he will choose to work. If he doesn’t need as much parnassah, and he wants to focus his time on more valuable endeavors, and he has a choice between sitting and learning or going to the army, what incentives are there to choose the army? As I said before, learning is much less risk and as much (if not more) reward. And if our nation needs soldiers, and it’s an individual’s choice to choose either the army or the Beis Medrash, where will our nation get soldiers?
simcha613Participantgolfer- the difference between the question of army vs. kollel and earning a living vs. kollel is that earning living has a clear advantage over kollel- you make money. You give yourself a greater chance based on derech hateva to earn a parnassah to support your family. By learning in kollel, you are sacrificing that. Therefore, it is understandable why a person who doesn’t want to spend his life learning full time, or he doesn’t feel like he is cut out for it would choose earning a living over learning in Kollel. There are benefits and sacrifices on each side.
My question was that it doesn’t seem like there is any advantage to serving in the army over kollel. You live in worse conditions, your life is in danger, and you are doing less of a service for Klal Yisroel. Practically, even though they are both necessary, why would a person choose to go to the army over kollel? What incentives exist for him?
simcha613ParticipantSo, again, if the prevalent opinion is that sitting in Kollel is at least as valuable as going to the army if not even more valuable (and I do believe it is more valuable), why would a person choose to risk his life and go to the army, when he could be of more help sitting in safe Kollel? Who will fight on the front lines for us?
OR should the community do something to regulate those sitting in Kollel, either by doing something to make Kollel less appealing for those who aren’t truly genuine (like by making long hours like having night seder go very late, have strict attendance policies, small stipends, uncomfortable living quarters, difficult examinations, etc…) or by simply having an acceptance policy and only accept those who are truly genuine into the kollel forcing everyone else to go to the army?
simcha613Participantyummy- I never said they were both equal. I said you need both. Even the dor hamidbar needed soldiers.
simcha613ParticipantR’ Yosef Dov Soloveichik and the Brisker Rav
simcha613Participantkfb- The Land of Israel is inherently holy and it is our homeland. Some people show hakaras hatov to the State of Israel because since the founding of the State, there have been more Jews and Torah in EY since around the time of the destruction of the second Beis HaMikdash. They show this hakaras hatov by celebrating the day the State of Israel was founded.
Also, you can’t compare the ability to go to France with the ability to go to Israel. Israel is our homeland, France is not.
June 28, 2012 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881146simcha613ParticipantS”A 235:3- Lechatchila one must say Krias Shema at Tzeis (M”B- because of zrizin makdimin leMitzvos) and its zman is until Chatozs (M”B- and if you say it later then you are violating the words of the Chachamim) but if you violated this and delayed past chatzos, then you are yotzei as long as you say it before Alos (M”B- that’s if you did it on purpose but if you were oneis you can even be yotzei if you say it before Neitz).
June 27, 2012 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881137simcha613ParticipantThere is a website called myzmanim that gives you all the times. Basically, you must say Krias Shema after Tzeis HaKochavim (when the stars come out). The minhag is is that this is 42 minutes after shkiah- sunset (that’s an hour after candle lighting on Erev Shabbos- though in reality Tzeis is probably earlier). You also must say Krias Shema before Chatzos (midnight… but the halachic midnight, it’s not always 12 AM). Assuming you did all that, then you should also say Krias Shema before you go to sleep however late it is (presumably until Also HaShachar- dawn). If you forgot to say Krias Shema before Chatzos, say it as soon as you remember, don’t wait until you go to sleep. Then you could say Krias Shema again before you go to sleep.
June 27, 2012 2:00 am at 2:00 am in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881133simcha613ParticipantYou must say Krias Shema before Chatzos. Assuming you did that already (by davening Ma’ariv after Tzeis, or if you davened Ma’ariv at shkiah then by repeating Krias Shema some time after Tzeis), then you can say Krias Shma al Hamitah as late as you want until I assume Alos HaShachar.
simcha613ParticipantI think men need to ask their LOR before deciding to become an OBGYN. Some of the things that a male OBGYN would have to do would be completely assur for the average male, more so than any other medical field. A male who wants to go into that field probably has to ask a halachic shaila if his particular situation warrants going into that field. Obviously, an OBGYN himself is not violating those issurim, but there would probably have to be a good reason to put oneself in that situation.
simcha613ParticipantFor those who don’t accept the pre-nup- how can we protect women from men who want more than a Beis Din or secular court are willing to give them, and will not give their wife a get in order to get what they want?
simcha613ParticipantFeif- at the same time, Beis Hillel and Beis Shamai also had competent poskim and they didn’t rely on each other. Maybe mamzerim is a more chamur din than dishwashers, but until we have a Sanhedrin, if R’ Elyashiv truly believes the RCA pre-nup is a get me’useh, I don’t see how his followers could rely on R’ Schachter and marry a woman who was divorced with it.
simcha613ParticipantTomche- easier said than done. You have to look at the other side too. If you look through Chazal, you see the tremendous concern they had for agunos, and how they sometimes “cut corners” to protect them. The answer to the issue is not to ignore pre-nups, because unfortunately there are men who take advantage of the system and are willing to make women agunos for their own benefit. If according to major poskim that prenups do not create a get meuseh, and they protect women from becoming agunos, that also has to be taken into account. I don’t know the answer- safek mamzerim vs. agunos, but it’s not that simple.
simcha613ParticipantI mean, how do you define Kiddush Hashem? Is the fact that he has a good voice a Kiddush Hashem?
simcha613ParticipantWe know Beis Hillel and Beis Shammai had major machloksim about yibum to the point that perfectly valid marriages for one of them led to mamzerim according to the other. Yet the Mishnah still says that they didn’t stop marrying into one another’s families. The question is, does that mean because they respected each other’s psak, and therefore if Beis Hillel called someone a normal Jew, Beis Shammai would rely on that even though according to their logic he would be a mamzer? Or does that mean they respected each other to the point that even though Beis Hillel may have thought someone was not a mamzer, he would make sure to tell any Beis Shammai followers not to marry him because according to Beis Shammai he’s a mamzer? If it’s the second case, then if you are a talmid of R’ Willig or R’ Schachter, then of course you can use the pre-nup… just keep track to warn any potential R’ Elyashiv followers from marrying into that family.
simcha613ParticipantIt seems to me that if a person got to the “black hat spiritual level” without one, he probably could get to the next level without a black hat too. I don’t know why a person needs to “show off” his level of frumkeit to other people. Why is there such a need to stand out? Your relationship with Hashem is between you and Hashem alone and no one needs to know where you stand (with a possible exception being a Rav who should dress differently than his tzibbur to command respect). If you’re in a place where the norm is to wear it, then wear it. If the place isn’t the norm, why is it necessary? Again, why the need to show everyone else what spiritual level you feel that you’re on?
simcha613ParticipantWhen I was younger I decided to wear a black hat “lekavod Shabbos.” I guess I felt that where I was in my spiritual growth, it was kedai for me to start wearing it. As I got older, I realized that I didn’t need it for kavod Shabbos because I already wear a suit (something I don’t wear during the week) for Shabbos. I also felt, that it gave me a sense of ga’avah, like “I’m frummer than you” when I wore it in places that it wasn’t the norm. I felt like I was losing more than I was gaining. I stopped wearing my hat in shuls where it’s not the norm, and I wear it when I go to places where it is the norm.
simcha613ParticipantR’Klonimus- I’m assuming Rashi didn’t wear a black hat as it wasn’t normal for his time. Wearing a black hat was normal 50 years ago. Why did that become the uniform?
simcha613ParticipantI’ve said this in the past- it seems that the Benei Torah who are sitting in learning would make the best soldiers. In Sefer Shoftim, Hashem told Gidon to take the Talmidei Chachamim as soldiers. He didn’t say that they should sit and learn while the non-learners fight. The zechus of Torah is what protects us, but maybe it protects us in the form of the Talmidei Chachamim on the front lines.
May 4, 2012 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163207simcha613ParticipantJust to clarify- the reason why I understand that when the S”A says one is not allowed to teach his daughter Torah means it cannot be imposed on her, is because assuming that a woman is allowed to learn Gemara (which would explain why the S”A chose to tell us that they receive sechar for learning), I don’t think the S”A means they are allowed to learn but they are not allowed to be taught. How can you learn without being taught?
May 4, 2012 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163206simcha613ParticipantAgain you miss the beginning- “ishah shelamdah Torah yeish lah sechar aval lo kisechar ha’ish mipnei she’einah metzuvaeh ve’oseh ve’af al pi sheyeish lah secahr tzivu chazal shelo yilmad etc…”
So you have to reconcile the beginning of that halachah that they have sechar with the end that it is not allowed to be taught to them. If you say that there is an issur for women to learn Gemara, why would S”A add the part that they receive sechar? What does that add practically?
So, you could argue that it adds nothing practically, and the S”A was just saying that theoretically they receive sechar but Chazal made an issur for them to learn. IMHO, if that were the case, S”A should have left it out. Are there any other Mitzvos that women are theoretically allowed to do and probably receive sechar for it but Chazal assured it, and the S”A told us all that? Does the S”A say that women receive sechar for wearing tzitizs or tefilin, but Chazal said they aren’t allowed to?
The way I’ve learned it is that a woman is allowed to learn Gemara and she receives sechar for it, as long as she genuinely wants to learn for lishmah reasons. However it cannot be taught to her, in other words it cannot be imposed on her. The issur is on the male (or female) teacher, not the female learner. The teacher has the responsibility to make sure that she wants to do it for the right reasons, and only then can she be taught.
simcha613ParticipantPBA- “My Judaism is not like that. My Judaism is about doing what Hashem wants us to do–that is, what we should
do. And how we should feel, and think. Hashem does not want women to learn gemara–chazal were clear about that.”
I’m sorry, but it is not clear from Chazal that Hashem does not want women to learn Gemara. Have you ever looked up the Halachah in the S”A? Did you know that it says that women receive schar for learning? I don’t know the way G-d works, but logic dictates that G-d would not give reward to women for doing something that He does not want them to do.
May 4, 2012 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163190simcha613ParticipantI don’t think there is anything wrong with what R’ Teichtal did for his haskamos. He knew no one would give haskamos to the content of the sefer, probably because it was so controversial. So he used haskamos of his previous seforim not to praise the content of the sefer, but the competency of the author. I don’t see an issue with this at all.
May 3, 2012 12:52 am at 12:52 am in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163163simcha613ParticipantHaKatan- and what happened to Shevet Efrayim? They got massacred. What happened to the medinah? They won their war. How could you compare the two when the results were so vastly different? If the Medinah was committing the same crime that Sheivet Efrayim committed, then it should have met the same fate.
simcha613ParticipantI think it makes a lot more sense to say that the hakamas hamedinah was Hashem telling all of us to return to EY. Many at that time were homeless following the Holocaust, and the time was ripe for all of Klal Yisroel to return. We chose not to and we planted ourselves in the USA instead of EY. If we all would have went together, Mashiach would have joined us.
April 30, 2012 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163152simcha613ParticipantHealth- are you saying that the medinah is the reason Mashiach isn’t here?
April 30, 2012 12:11 am at 12:11 am in reply to: Davening With A Minyan vs. Davening Without A Minyan #871570simcha613Participant147- R’ Willig holds that one should not daven with a minyan if it’s a tartei desasrei problem. The question is, which tefilah do you daven beyechidus?
avhaben- I don’t know about yeshivah, but in terms of work, R’ Schachter says that since the din is you have to go a mil (which is 18 minutes) out of your way for a minyan, which is essentially 36 minutes if you count both ways, that means halachically you are required to incur up to a 36 minute loss for minyan. More than that you aren’t required to do.
simcha613ParticipantJust because a segulah works, doesn’t make it muttar. Most segulas are superstitions which are assur. Segulahs are supposed to function as reminders that G-d runs the world, and chizzuk to daven. If one believes segulahs are magic it is most likely assur under lo senachashu.
April 29, 2012 3:07 am at 3:07 am in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163139simcha613Participant“And as far as utilities and protection and street paving, etc, the Chareidim lived without it in EY prior to the Zionists and never asked for it.”
I think the Gemara says that the halacha is is that if someone goes onto your property without you asking for it, and does a benefit for you, then you have to pay him for it. So even though in our case the Charedim did not ask for it, you cannot argue that they don’t benefit from it, so they are are chayav at the very least to show hakaras hatov to the ones who gave it to them.
April 29, 2012 2:28 am at 2:28 am in reply to: Davening With A Minyan vs. Davening Without A Minyan #871558simcha613ParticipantThere is definitely an obligation to daven with a minyan as the Gemara says that one has to go out of his way 1 mil to get a minyan. The question is, and if I may use a mashal, if tefilah is a cake, is davening with a minyan one of the ingredients or is it the icing? Is it an essential component or not? A nafka mina would be is one allowed to go on vacation if he knows he won’t be able to get a minyan. This is a machlokes among the poskim- I think R’ Shlomo Zalman says no but I think Ishei Yisroel brings down shitos who argue.
R’ Herschel Shachter shlita from YU holds it is icing on the cake and R’ Aharon Lichtenstein shlita once said that was young he would miss minyan once in a while in order to help his wife with their young children. R’ Immanuel Feldman shlita, fromer Rav in Atlanta, would sometimes daven Maariv by himself because since the minyan would always wait for him, it put pressure on him and hurt his kavanah. So, once in a while he would daven by himself so he could talk to G-d without any distractions.
But I think all would agree, that if there is no valid reason, one is not allowed to miss minyan. No one would say that he can daven in his house whenever he feels like it.
April 29, 2012 1:53 am at 1:53 am in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163136simcha613ParticipantI don’t think it’s a coincidence that Yom Haatzmaus falls out every year when we are mourning those who died for not treating others with respect. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this year Yom Hatzamaus fell out in the week we read the parshah for the punishment for loshon hara. The amount of disgusting disrespect and near-hate that is going towards our fellow Jews who are Zionists, whether religious or not-yet-religious, seems to imply that we have not learned the lesson of the death of the Talmidim of R’ Akiva.
April 27, 2012 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163133simcha613Participantderszoger- So, I guess your point is that since many of the early Zionists did bad things, that dooms the entire Zionist movement to failure from the start. And therefore, we can, no, we must ignore all of the good that has come out of it, all of the Jews that were able to make aliyah, all of the yeshivos that were able to be founded and funded, all the Torah and Tefilah that is now flourishing in Eretz Yisroel as never before and criticize and degrade as much of it as we can?
April 27, 2012 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163127simcha613Participantdersooger- you cant have your cake an eat it too. The 1929 riots probably had more to do with Jews making aliyah then with their ideological opposition to Zionism. So you want to blame the Zionists for inciting the Arabs, but not give them any credit for Jews moving to EY.
What probably happened is Zionsim inspired more and more Jews to move to EY. That also upset and incited the Arabs. So the Zionists took it upon themselves to protect the Jews in EY (both the ones who they inspired to come and shared their ideology and those that didn’t).
April 27, 2012 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163119simcha613Participantderszoger- until Britain made a quote and stopped legal immigration. The medinah however made it much easier to move to the country. No quotas and Law of Return. No other foreign government would have had anything like that. Thanks medinah!
April 27, 2012 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163115simcha613ParticipantHealth- I understand that most of the government officials don’t thank Hashem publicly. First of all they are probably not frum, and they wren’t raised that way. They are tinokos shenishbu and they probably aren’t so responsible for those actions. It’s more likely our responsibility to help them see the light. And also, why can’t you be a little dan lekaf zechus? They probably do thank Hashem privately, and while we know it’s a wonderful thing to do so publicly as well, maybe they just feel uncomfortable doing so.
Either way, this is all irrelevant. The fact is, is that since hakamas hamedinah there are more Jews, Torah, and Tefilah in E”Y since probably the end of Bayis Sheini. Derech Hateva tells you that it is because of the medinah, which means in reality that it was Hashem using the medinah as a messenger. I’m not sure why so many people want to think that the Torah and Tefilah and everything good that came since 1948 is in spite of the medinah. That doesn’t make any logical sense.
Assuming that Hashem was using the medina as a messenger to deliver all of these wonderful things to Klal Yisroel, doesn’t it make sense to show the medinah hakaras hatov? Doesn’t it make sense to show Hashem hakaras hatov for giving us the medinah and everything good that comes with it? It just seems like bad midos to try and look for every little bad thing the medinah has done just so we can ignore the good and pretend that we don’t have a responsibility of hakaras hatov.
April 25, 2012 6:41 am at 6:41 am in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163058simcha613ParticipantI’m not denying the fact that there are issues with the Israeli government, but it’s no worse than any other secular government. In fact, it’s probably better. Because of the government (and yes, I know, really it’s because of Hashem using the government as a messenger), there is more Torah, Tefilah, and Jews in Eretz Yisroel since probably the fall of Beitar. This is something not to be taken lightly, and yet is by many “anti-Zionists.” Many people want the government of Israel to be “frum” or at least super pro religious, and when it doesn’t give the Torah learners of EY special benefits, they criticize the government as anti-frum. Again, obviously there are some issues (like the recent kol ishah controversy) but if you look at EY as a whole, things have never been better and we have the medinah (and Hashem) to thank.
And in terms of atchalta legeulas, I personally don’t know what that means. I mean, everything leads to the geulah, no? The Holocaust in some way was also probably atchalta legeulas. I don’t know what it means to say the medinah is or isn’t. But whatever it means, I have heard that 2 “signs” of atchalta legeulas is kibutz galuyos and the fact that the Land of Israel which is normally a barren wasteland, becomes incredibly fruitful. Both of these conditions have been fulfilled (if you consider the fact that such a high percentage of World Jewry live in EY [and that number keeps on growing] as a form of kibutz galuyos).
simcha613Participantmermaid- it’s true and you’re right. The Gedolim have spoken. I don’t necessarily understand and I don’t necessarily agree which is why I’m expressing my opinion. But, at the end of the day, they are Daas Torah and I am not, and they obviously know things that I do not. I can question the Gedolim from a theoretical perspective, but in practically they are miles ahead of me and of course their decision is final. I don’t c”v mean any disrespect.
simcha613ParticipantMy point is, is that it seems the Talmidei Chachamim would make the best soldiers. Learning Torah and serving in the army are not mutually exclusive.
simcha613Participantdrszooger- in number 4- that’s only by milchemes reshus. I don’t think there are exemptions for milchemes shel mitzvah. And even a milchemes reshus, many meforshim explain that being afraid means those who are afraid of sin. In other words, the talmidei chachamim are the ones who fight. Obviously, it’s the Torah that protects us, but it seems that the Torah that the Talmidei Chachamim learn will make them better soldiers, and they are the ones who should fight. That’s how the Torah protects us. Not with the Am Aratzim on the front lines and the talmidei chachamim in the beis medrash- it’s with the talmidei chachamim themselves on the front lines.
simcha613ParticipantSam2- out of curiosity, do you have any sources that this segulah is based on Christianity? Or are you assuming that since it is so similar to the Christian custom, it must have been based on that.
simcha613ParticipantThe source for the “segulah” of schlissel challah is that the Gemara in Ta’anis says that only HKBH has the “key” to parnassah. So some developed a minhag to bake a key into challah as a reminder that only Hashem has the key to provide for us parnassah (represented by the challah) and it should be inspiration to have more emunah, bitachon and daven harder. Anyone who thinks that baking a key into a challah somehow magically leads to parnassah violates the issur of lo senachashu.
simcha613ParticipantSo if Zimmerman was justified in attacking Martin because he felt threatened, wouldn’t Martin be justified in attacking Zimmerman because HE felt threatned? Woudln’t you feel threatned if a strange man was following you?
simcha613ParticipantMarriage is a three ring circus- engagement ring, wedding ring, suffering
simcha613ParticipantIf I may ask another question, let’s assumed that Trayvon Martin did attack George Zimmerman, and Zimmerman shot Martin because he felt threatened. Was Martin really wrong for attacking in the first place? I mean a strange man was following (possibly chasing) him. He probably felt threatened so he attacked the man that threatened him. Isn’t that also self defense? To give a mashal, if a robber breaks into your house and you felt threatened and attacked him, is the robber justified in shooting you out of self defense? He shouldn’t have threatened you in the first place! Similarly, Zimmerman shouldn’t have threatened Martin in the first place, especially after the cops told him not to chase him!
simcha613ParticipantI always assumed the rules were that to accept food stamps or welfare you have to be actively looking for work, and you have to prove to the government that you are trying but failing. If you aren’t even looking for work, then you don’t qualify for food stamps. If that’s the case, then kollel members on food stamps are most likely lying to the government and stealing which wouldn’t be okay. However, if the rules is that anyone under a certain income level can accept food stamps, even if they aren’t looking for work, then lichorah there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. It’s probably stupid for the government to just give out free money without putting pressure on those people to actually contribute to society, but it’s their choice to give out free money, what’s wrong with taking it?
simcha613ParticipantFrom a piece by R’ Gil student-
1. Berachos 24a
Rav Yitzchak said: A tefach of a woman is nakedness (‘ervah).
For what? If you say for looking at it, Rav Sheshes said: Why did the Torah count outer ornaments with inner ornaments? To tell you that anyone who looks at the small finger of a woman is as if he looked at the obscene place. Rather, [Rav Yitzchak is talking about] one’s wife an kerias shema.
Rav Chisda said: The thigh of a woman is nakedness as it says (Isaiah 47:2) “expose a thigh to cross a river” and it says (ibid. 3) “your nakedness will be exposed and your embarrassment will be seen.”
Shmuel said: The voice of a woman is nakedness as it says (Song of Songs 2:14) “for your voice is sweet and your countenance comely.”
Rav Sheshes said: The hair of a woman is nakedness as it says (ibid. 4:1) “you hair is like a flock of goats.”
2. Kiddushin 70a
[Rav Nachman said to Rav Yehudah]: Would you like to send regards to Yalta [Rav Nachman’s wife]?
He [Rav Yehudah] said: Shmuel said: The voice of a woman is nakedness.
simcha613ParticipantCome on, he’s not saying he’s a bigger authority than R’ Scheinberg. Sports has no inherent value, but sometimes it can be used as a mean towards an end like kiruv. For what R’ Scheinberg was doing in life, he had no need for sports, so it was his achrayus to remove it from his heart because there was no point. For someone in kiruv or even highschool (and younger) Rebbeim, it may have a constructive purpose.
simcha613ParticipantI never saw the Chassam Sofer inside but I once heard a shiur about metzitzah bapeh and this Chassam Sofer was brought down. The way it was explained is that when the Chassam Sofer heard that it might be a sakanah, he said that metzitzah bapeh shouldn’t (or doesn’t have to- I forget which) be done because it was only instituted to protect against sakanah and was never an ikar part of the bris. But when he heard that the person who asked the question was actually a reform Jew who just wanted an opening to mock, denigrate, and eliminate this tradition which to him seemed archaic and backwards, he was chozer and said it must be done (I assume he meant unless you know for sure it’s a sakanah).
simcha613ParticipantAccording to R’ Schachter, the issur of lo sinachashu is attributing significance to something which doesn’t make sense logically, like if a deer goes to the right it must mean that I should do this. By this logic, most segulos would fall into this problem. They usually have good sources, but have been abused. For example- the segulah of shlissel challah (a key in the challah) which is a “segulah” for parnassah. It began because there’s a Gemara that says that one of the “keys” which Hashem and only Hashem has is the key to parnassah (I think this is in the beginning of Tanis). So the minhag began to put a key in challah to remind us that the key to bread/parnassah belongs to Hashem and we have to have bitachon in Him. When the shlissel challah became a “get rich quick” scheme, and now many people think that somehow magically a key in a challah leads to money, this would be the issur of lo senachashu.
simcha613ParticipantI meant R’ Tendler
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