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see ??”? ??”? ??? ? ???? ?? ??? ? where he writes that anything in Simin ? is ???? ?????? and the dress code for men follows the ???? ????? (I would imagine this means whoever lives in the area including non-jews). He continues there that when you daven you need to be dressed as if you were in front of a king or royalty. It is always forbidden to ???? ???? especially in front of ?????.

Its amazing how many Halachic opinions there are here without quoting any sources.

It does say I think in Simin 82 Even Hezer that in case of divorce the mother gets full custody of the children and the father must pay child support to the mother. It also says I think in Simin 115 (or around there)that Beis Din will force a man both physically or monetarily to give a Get it the right circumstances (as they see fit for example if he refuses to be with her, beat her…).

As for who is at fault I don’t think it makes a difference, anyone who thinks it is ok to keep someone in chains has something wrong with their head (it also says in the Torah that if a person is a Mumar we should try to kill him (Simin 412 Choshen Mishpat) not everything in the Torah has to be done rather we listen to Chazal.

The best solution is what works today. 1. Beat him up (you might get caught and thrown in jail, but this has the best chance). 2. Through ORA you can protest at his house. 3. Get him to Israel and thrown in jail. 4. Get his friends and neighbors to help out.

My heart goes out to anybody in a situation like this. A true ????.

The Din is that if ‘you’ want to check you can, however if you don’t want to then you must give because that is the Din as stated above (many Issurim if you don’t). Regarding the whole question all it says in the SH”Aruch is that if a person is a Mumar then he does not get Tzedaka. A. I’m sure the people that are Makpid on smokers certainly would not give a person that went off the Derech. B. I’m sure you would also claim that he is Pasul Ledus. If you have any ????? regarding these questions, remember ??? ???????? ?????? and for sure give him money.

Regarding Kedimos you have a contradiction in 249 between sif 15 and 16.

Also see the CC in Ahavas Chesed the 4th chapter ??? ?, where he says that giving your enemy that supersedes your own family because you get an extra Mitzva that way. You could ask but this is not brought down in the Shulchan Aruch, the answer is use your head not everything is there in the Shulchn Aruch.

As for where does kolllel and learning Torah stand see the sefer Torah Or by the Chofetz Chaim where he writes that the main Mitzva of Masser is for ?”?. Acctually here is the exact quote.

????? ??????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ?’ ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??? ??”?…. Then he quotes a Gemara and a Rambam to this affect. He also adds that when you support a ?”? you get his ???? and with this you are ???? to ???? ???. I don’t think with any other ???? you can get such a reward.

Now, you can still give your city or relatives that are ?”? and get both rewards (or to children.)

aAdopt a kollel is a wonderful idea and we should definitely keep it, you cant lose by giving tzedaka as it says ??? by the Passuk (meaning you will get paid back).

However it is worth to point out that your city friends and family come first. See Ahabas Chesed the 6th perek 2nd pgh that even if someone else is in a worse situation you should first help your family or city.

Also see the Chofetz Chaim sefer called ???? ??? ??? ?? where he says that if you don’t give Tzedaka properly and accordingly, their is a fair chance you wont get rewarded the way you should be.

Thank you so much for that, I am really impressed with your quickness.

If you look in the Yeshurun that I quoted you will see he dedicated about 20 pages analyzing the difference between the Chazon Ish and the MB (citing many contradictions and explanations).

Do you understand what it means when he writes ‘Pesak Hamekubal’? The MB is about 95 percent direct quotes from the nosey Kelim and the two he quotes the most is the Chayay Adom and the Pri Megadim (Artzos Hachaim in vol 1 or Tosfos Shabbos in 3). It also was their derech to do this also as was the Shach and many others.

You agree though that in Europe he was the de facto, go to sefer.

I was just responding to Ilovetohack I was not making a point about that. But I was saying that just like Minhag Lita was not like the MB in many things so to it was not like the AH in many things and that is because each place had there old minhagem. What is relevant is when you did not have a Minhag or a Minhag did not apply who did you look at; and it is crystal clear that it was the MB for the reasons stated above.

Ilovvetohock: That AH can be found in the KOl Kisvey AH Simin 7, he also has a Kula regarding what is Reshus Harabim that no one goes like, also by deserts when making a Bracha the Minhag in most places was not like him.

I asked Reb Dovid as I said before and he told me his father did as he pleased and anyone that goes through Igros Moshe well, will see that he will sometimes quote the OH or the MB not one over the other (if you want to Bar Ilan it make sure its only in orach chaim). As to what you mentioned that the CC has a “new” way of counting up Achronim. Might you forget that the Gra”z (or the ALter Rebbe) does this all the time in the Kuntres Acharon, the PRi Megadim is notorious for it as to the Magen Giborim… The reason the CC brings so much is because he had access to them unlike the OH and this was his point as he writes in his Hakdama that you should not have to do all of the research and he is taking the burden off of you.

When you say it is irrelevant when he quotes him #2 I don’t understand. If the OH only had 2 volumes it should make a big difference, the MB took 28 years to publish and the OH finished during the time, (this by the way is disregarding the fact that we don’t go like ????? in the same ???). As for a practicing Rabbi, the Gra did not practice and neither did the Shach when he published, Benn azzay, the Ramban when he wrote the Milchamos, the Tur did not practice, Reb Akiva Eger? as to many other great Mechabrim.

The MB says that if you tell your son to do anything (even a day old baby by Remiza) you are ???? a ??? because it says ?? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????. Regarding teaching them it always says when they reach Chinuch which according to most views is at 6 years old (certainly regarding a ????? their is no reason to be ?????). This is also brought down in somewhat in Simin 343 and also see the Shone Halachos by Reb Chaim at the end of Simin 344 for more references.

At this point what is done is done. The Shulchan Aruch paskens that we give Goyim because of Darchey Shalom. You could still give a donation to another cause and give the receipt to this lady in memory of the deceased so as not to look petty, but if you do this you would have to give a greater amount than you would have contributed to the group gift but also a smaller amount as you are not getting a mitzvah of tzedaka and you don’t want to show you are one upping anyone.

PAA you find many times machlokes in Metzius and the din one way or the other (how long is Bein Hashmashos, was the Beis Hamikdash mekudash latid and many health machlokes which are paskened) also the Chofetz Chaim is notorious for quoting the Zohar and many Midrashim in the Shmiras Halashon, Machne Yisrael and his other works and paskening from this (its interesting that in the MB he only quotes a Zohar when it was previously quoted by the Nose Kellim but then again that is how the MB differs from his other Sefarim).

Sof Davar I think this is a root difference between Chasidim and Mitnagdim in how important a role does Hashkafa plays and you see this also in the way they live and write their Teshuvos. For example in the Divrey Yoel he argues on Rav moshe regarding the Mechitzah and one of his main arguments is that the Divrey Chaim said that this is that way Klal Yisrael are Noheg (I don’t think Rav Moshe was phased by this), he was also Cholek on the Kneses Hagdolah that the MB brings in Hilchos Tefilin regarding the Zohar including with it the Kisvey Ari not like Rav Moshe. This is also why the Chsam Sofer held like that (he way Hungarian and very close to Chasidim, Rav adler and the Haflah were his Rebbeim). The Chofetz Chaim was his own personality.

So anyways back to some good humor.

Last year I went to my chavrusa’s house for Rosh Hashana and he likes to add simonim, he added two. Lettuce and a rasin with cellary (well known), but what I enjoyed was when he took out a ball of dough and rolled it to his wife. He said may we all be rolling in the dough this coming year. Ksiva Vchsima Tova

Lchvod Ramatshkolnik: I’m not here to say what the Minhag is or what people like to follow (in my opinion there is almost no such thing to day anyways and is probably impossible to find out see Sdey Chemed vol 4 #37, its also interisting that the OH writes a letter defending the Sdey Chemed). What I’m trying to point out is that the MB was alot more popular in Europe and I think the fact of how many he sold (which he has receipt’s in the KOl kisvey CC and its in the thousands and remember that Sefarim cost alot more then), combined with all of the Gedolim whom he correspondence with and how they honored him (see also he opened the Kneses Hagdelah and he was also the Machria in the case of Velozion’s closing where the OH happened to also live) it would seem logical that people used his sefarim more. The most compelling in my opinion is the fact that the OH was not printed until much later around 1910 while the MB was already out for almost 20 years, also the fact that I cant find any Gedolim of those times quoting an OH while the MB is commonly quoted (i.e Achiezer, Shol Meshiv…).

I appologize about the 2nd hand comment I just meant that I find that when one person says that this is how it was or this person told me this it holds less ground as opposed to finding documented evidence (its interesting to note how the students of the RamaBach and many other great Rabonim almost never (acctualy never) say that they heard Beshem their Rebbe, they always quote the Ksav, also the MB and OH say the words Beshem I think a total of 6 times feel free to Bar Ilan it). Either way this whole conversation is all theoretical and we all recognize that the CC or the MB has taken the main place in the world (over all). It would be an intiristing conversation of why (I think for example he had many more sefarim, Rishonim and Achronim and he was more mesudar and would not Pasken against the majority also it is interesting how he never quotes the KItzur (I think he quotes him a total of 4 or 5 times even though he argues on him many times) but mostly u will see that in Simin 36 he never quotes and that sound’s like he does not hold of him (p.s neither does the OH ever bring him, even though he was very popular and available as you can know from the Hakdama to the Kitzur).

This phenomenal myth that the OH was more accepted in Europe is just a myth. Allow me to prove it that this is just not true.

A. The Chofetz Chaim was the recognized Gadol (see many stories that only when he was there it was decided). Also all of his letters in the KOl Kitvey always have him first the Rav Chaim Ozer then either the Lubavitcher Rebbe of the Gerrer Rebbe. Also see that Rav meir Shapiro and Rav Chaim Soliveitchik were machnia to him.

2. The OH quotes the MB 25 times, clearly you see that the MB was so popular that he made it to him. 3. If you look at the KOl Kisvey of the Chofetz Chaim you will find that almost every letter is asking for a set of his sefarim (which is quoted by many Rabonim of his time Achiezer and Shoel Mashiv and more) while if you look at the OH Kol Kisvey you will find a total of 2 maybe 3 letters asking for his sefarim (besides the fact that Orach Chaim was not printed until much later 1910).

If you compare the letters of the Chofetz Chaim to the OH you will see that the CC has correspondence with Rabonim all over the world while every letter of the OH are all addressed to Russia (besides one or two).

To conclude it is all a myth, the CC was the accepted leader of klal Yisrael and his Sefarim were also accepted as such (i’m not saying the OH were not u understand my point). Also Rav Henkin was a Talmid of the OH and Rav Moshe lived in russia so it is no surprise that they held this way while the rest of the world did not.