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its one thing to call it irresponsible to let rebbeim drink in front of their bochurim. although that itself is wrong. But to say you cant imagine someone giving their tzedakah to a yeshiva in which the rebbeim drink on purim in front of their talmidim is ridiculous. You are basically ruling out the vast majority of yeshivos to give your tzedakah to. lets say, chas veshalom, a drunk yeshiva bochur would hit someone-forget about U.S. law, (that is a whole separate discussion) dont tell me that you believe the rebbe is responsible for that. and lets say the yeshiva has to pay for a lawsuit-that is in no way a waste of tzedakah money. to enable a yeshiva to continue to operate. I dont really understand anything you said.
“if true, aaq thinks a responsible yeshiva would et,c.” seems more accurate.
But for some reason, out of all the issues we hear about, kids dying because they saw their rebbe while he was drunk, just isnt one of them. Why does the fact that they may be legally liable change anything?quite honestly, aaq, i think almost all of those are great examples, except for confronting sonei yisroel.
it is a fact. i wasnt trying to trigger anyone, and i wasnt judging anyone. You may think i am being superficial, but if you honestly think about it yourself, do you really hold mo in the same regard as normal frum people? They are not necessarily doing anything wrong, however, the standards of frumkeit that mo adheres to is signifigintly less than that of the more yeshivish community. based on that, i said that it is justified for yeshivish people not to want to interact with mo.
I will admit that my use of “they value our religion less” in retrospect, sounds much more inflammatory than i intended. I apologize“Kaltlitvak,
But I’m dressed yeshivish”
Im sorry i dont understand what you are trying to say
what is the deal with the wall street journal. i know like, ten people who hold of it to no end
i dont fully understand why thats a bad thing. it seems more reliable to have a bikur cholim. and i dont think its really a bigger chesed to make your own supper for them
“I went to be מנחם אבל someone in Boro Park and afterwards went to a restaurant to eat so when I got my order over there I went to a table to sit down, then a few minutes later a chosid (not sure what type, I didn’t ask him) sits down opposite me (with his food) so I commented that שנים שישבו and now we were יוצא (because that is a הלכה) and he stared at me with this shtultzy stare and then kept on eating”
Always a great move-judge satmar based off one random chosid, who didnt know how to respond when you made a corny comment“Great question.
Answer: it’s a community….judgemental people……shall we say,–insecure.”
it is not coming from insecurity. if a bunch of modern orthodox people just show up in a yeshivish shul, it is one hundred percent warranted that people wouldnt want to start socializing with them.
i know this may be politically incorrect, but the truth is that they just value our religion less.shtultz in mesivtos is a very important thing. ninth grader are quite simply, signifigantly mor immature, when they come in, than anyone else in the bais medrash.shtultz helps them recognize that, and in shtultzy yeshivos, they generally normal out by chanukah time. Anyone who has a problem with shtultz doesnt chap the matzav. and as for not being goires the mo people, this is absolutely legitimate, as they dont value the torah as muchas they should, and can be real influences
“The vast majority of Chareidim will never accept any candidate for the Melech HaMashiach who is Sephardic or a Baal Teshuvah or Modern Orthodox or Religious Zionist, even though there is no Halachic reason why those people should be automatically disqualified — but Chareidim have a very low opinion of those people, so they will never consider it”
it sounds like you would never accept any chareidi people, because you feel inferior to them. you should probably work on your self esteem instead of ripping on a very choshuve chelek of klal yisroel
“homicide” “overdose” “car accident”
I really hope you are being sarcastic.i didnt know shabtai tzvi had access to the internet