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I am mochel that you were poygeyah in my kovod, and a talmid chochom cane be mochel on his kovod, but you also likely caused a pegiyah in kovod shomayim by being machti ess harabim by telling the public that they may say gut shabbos on Friday afternoon.
Is the OP asking whether parents should be able to lock kids up in their rooms? If a young child is locked in a room one may break down the door on shabbos as it is potential pikuach nefesh.
Certainly one must not l’chatchila lock a child in a room – unless the child is older when there is no longer a sakanoh. Thus the shaylah is at what age is it no longer a sakonah to lock up a child in a room?
The OP is assuming that it is legal and not against dina d’malchusa to do so, which is in itself a shaylah that requires legal expertise.
I think the greatest godol who supported Zionism and the medina was the Shu”t Mishnas Sochir, author of Eim Habonim Semaycha (which is the “Torah she’biksav” of Religious Zionism). About the Mishnas Sochir was said that he was clear in kol hatorah kulah, niglah and nistar, on the level of the GRA. His Shu’t are amazing in bekiyus and charifus in all areas of torah!
The descendants of the Erev Rav were against hakomas hamedina because they had no chelek b’aretz. To them, shivas Tzion, the return of yidden to Eretz Yisroel is WORSE than Uganda, where they WOULD get a chelek in.
Some of the descendants went to Yeshiva and became lamdonim. Being a lamdon or a “godol” does not mean he cannot be from the Erev Rav! Nor is it derogatory to assert that a lamdon/godol can be from the Erev Rav. Acher was a lamdon and a godol, so were others who were off the derech! These lamdonim had talmidim and followers, some were swayed by the false shitos of their teachers.
In turn, these talmidim also became communal leaders, rabbonim and even gedolim and rebbes, but they were spreading the learnings they were mekabel from the Erev Rav!!
I think the greatest godol who supported Zionism and the medina was the Shu”t Mishnas Sochir, author of Eim Habonim Semaycha. About him was said that he was clear in kol hatorah kulah, niglah and nistar, on the level of the GRA. His Shu’t are amazing in bekiyus and charifus in all areas of torah!
The descendants of the Erev Rav were against hakomas hamedina because they had no chelek b’aretz. To them, shivas Tzion, the return of yidden to Eretz Yisroel is WORSE than Uganda, where they WOULD get a chelek in.
Some of the descendants went to Yeshiva and became lamdonim. Being a lamdon or a “godol” does not mean he cannot be from the Erev Rav! Nor is it derogatory to assert that a lamdon/godol can be from the Erev Rav. Acher was a lamdon and a godol, so were others who were off the derech! These lamdonim had talmidim and followers, some were swayed by the false shitos of their teachers.
In turn, these talmidim also became communal leaders, rabbonim and even gedolim and rebbes, but they were spreading the learnings they were mekabel from the Erev Rav!!
I think the greatest godol who supported Zionism and the medina was the Shu”t Mishnas Sochir, author of Eim Habonim Semaycha. About him was said that he was clear in kol hatorah kulah, niglah and nistar, on the level of the GRA. His Shu’t are amazing in bekiyus and charifus in all areas of torah!
The descendants of the Erev Rav were against hakomas hamedina because they had no chelek b’aretz. To them, shivas Tzion, the return of yidden to Eretz Yisroel is WORSE than Uganda, where they WOULD get a chelek in.
Some of the descendants went to Yeshiva and became lamdonim. Being a lamdon or a “godol” does not mean he cannot be from the Erev Rav! Nor is it derogatory to assert that a lamdon/godol can be from the Erev Rav. Acher was a lamdon and a godol, so were others who were off the derech! These lamdonim had talmidim and followers, some were swayed by the false shitos of their teachers.
In turn, they also became communal leaders, rabbonim and gedolim, but they were spreading the learnings they were mekabel fromm the Erev R
I think the greatest godol who supported Zionism and the medina was the Shu”t Mishnas Sochir, author of Eim Habonim Semaycha. About him was said that he was clear in kol hatorah kulah, niglah and nistar, on the level of the GRA. His Shu’t are amazing in bekiyus and charifus in all areas of torah!
The Torah learning of Lakewood protects the entire city from all calamities.
Reb Moshe was once told that a child was injured by a car in front of his apartment building. He immediately said that the child is not Jewish. When it was discovered that ineed the child was a non-Jew, Reb Moshe said that his learning Torah is a shmirah, and no Jewish child could have gotten hurt in front of his apartment.
Lakewood is a bayis ma’aleh seforim, it has the shemirah of Torah learning which saves from any gashmiyus or ruchniyus danger.
Just as there was no mabul in Eretz Yisroel – it is poshut that there was no flooding in Lakewood!
Health, are you maskim that these is “some” basis for this chumrah or do you think that Reb SZ Aurebach and Rav Moshe Shternberg and this “1” unnamed RY from Brooklyn OBM are also all c”v megaleh ponim batorah shelo k’halacha?
Your postings may have caused readers to be nichshal in melacha b’shabbos!! Ignorance is no excuse for being machshil ess harabbim.
As someone who has been in kollel for many years and hopes to continue learning for life, I make sure to give the Rebbeim and Morahs a PERCENTAGE of the tuition I pay for that child.
When we use a taxi we give a 15 – 20 percent tip. Same when we tip the waiter at a restaurant we give a percentage of the total bill.
I am NOT suggesting a specific percentage but I think the Rebbe or Morah should get a percentage of the tuition paid – pick a FAIR and REASONABLE percentage, from as low as 5% (which is FAR lower than what you would give a taxi driver or a waiter!).
BTW – the Rebbe should ALSO be given the largest and nicest M’shlach Monos on Purim. This is mechanech your child that the Rebbe is the choshuvste person on your list. To your child, the Rebbe is more important than the local Rov or your Rosh Yeshiva/Kollel. It instills a chashivus for learning in your child!
I add Purim Gelt to the Rebbe and Morah on Purim too (as Mo’os Purim is mentioned in Shas – albeit in another context).
golfer – “if you frequent the interner…” are you implying that you weren’t at the Asifa or that I do ot follow the call of gedolim against the tumah of internet?
To those who stubbornly claim that there is “no basis for this ‘chumra’ ” and try to convince other not to be concerned over this inyan which impact shmiras shabbos –
Below are TWO concurring sources of a posek hador and a renown Talmid Chochom, Rav S.Z. Auerbach and Harav Moshe Shternbuch. I accept these as better halachic authorities than Health, b’michilas kvodo.
The seforim of these gedolim are cited below and can be looked up by anyone who can read Hebrew without nekudos.
See http://e.yeshiva.org.il/ask/?id=2968:
Question:
Is it proper to extend greetings of Shabbat Shalom (Gut Shabbos) on Friday prior to Mincha?
Answer:
[Zachor et Yom HaShabbat]
[The Halacha is that Biblical Mitzvot require intention (Kavana) for observance. See Shulchan Aruch Orech Chayyim 60:4]
[an hour and fifteen minutes prior to sunset on a day wherein there are twelve daytime hours]Rabbi J. Simcha Cohen
Now you know WHEN it’s time to say Gut Shabbos…as Reb Abie Rotenberg sings.
If I would light outside, there is a chashash that I would soon join those who do public menorah lighting. We must not do anything that resembles that new hanhoga (chodosh is ossur min hatorah), even if it means abrogating from our Rishonim and poskim.
Let them light in the town square on monstrous sized menorahs while we continue to light in the window as yidden always did. If you disagree, go to the town square for your hadlokah osa mitzvah.
Ashreinu mah tov chelkaynu, that we continue to keep our minhogim following the steps of previous doros – al titosh toras imecha.
Lakewood is where every Jewish person belongs.
It is an It Hatorah, the center of the universe.
You and your family will fit in if you want. Just breathing the same air that is shared with so many learner is purifying and uplifting.
If you can live in the Kodesh Hakadoshim, why would you want to live michutz lemachane like a tomei mess or a metzorah??
apushatayid – “Can you name ONE single Rav/posek who disagrees with Rav Falk on THIS issue???” what is “this” issue?
Long skirts (ankle length)as asked by OP, considered a tznius problem per Oz V’Hadar Levushah by Rav Falk.
just my hapence – “I can name many Rabbonim who disagree with Rav Falk on this issue. There is one in my kehilla who told me personally that he, and I quote, “do[es] not allow Oz VeHadar Levusha in [his] house, and if it was up to [him] [he] would not allow in it in any house” [sic.].”
After reading your entire comment in which you claim “I can name many Rabbonim who disagree with Rav Falk” I searched your comment and did not find that you NAME even one rav or possek that disagrees with Rav Falk on this issue!!
I ask you again, from my earlier comment to you:
“Can you name ONE single Rav/posek who disagrees with Rav Falk on THIS issue??? I don’t think so!”
As a godol once said, “A dannof is not someone who CAN steal, but one who actually steals. A lamdon is not someone who CAN learn, but one who actually learns.” Likewise, if you CAN name “many” rabbonin but fail to actually name even one, you have proven that you have failed your assertion.
Follow carefully:
1. Can a person make kiddush on Friday after plag? Yes.
2. If one makes kiddush after plag is it shabbos for him? Yes.
3. Is there an issur melacha after making kiddush mi’beod yom? Yes.
4. Is saying “good shabbos” (once it is time to make kiddush) a kiddush? Yes.
5. Hence, saying “good shabbos” = kiddush, after plag, makes an issur melacha.
Whiteberry – “These “how to” books such as Rav Falks do not take that into consideration [Cultural norms], nor can they, as they offer a one size fits all approach.”
Rav Falk is a posek, he knows EXACTLY how and if “cultural norms” impact halacha. When appropriate, he incorporates them into his sefer. (e.g., Women diving a car or riding a bicycle is dependent on cultral norms etc.).
It is an ultimate chutzpah to say that a possek is giving a “one size fits all” psak. That interprets into the equivalent of saying that the posek is incompetent!
Get a copy of R. Falk’s Oz V’Hadar Levushah!!
just my hapence – “Rav Falk, major Talmid Chochom though he is, is by no means the sole arbiter of what is casual or dignified. He isn’t even the sole arbiter of what is or isn’t tzanua, plenty of Rabbonim do not agree with him on many things.”
Can you name ONE single Rav/posek who disagrees with Rav Falk on THIS issue??? I don’t think so!
As frum yidden it bothers us to admit when we fail to keep halacha. Instead we sweep it under the carpet and say that we follow “other” shitos.
Better to come clean and say we are weak and followed our yetzer, one day hopefully we will do teshuva for it, but let’s not try to give our shortcoming a hechsher, and no need to feel guilty or seek teshuva, and spread to others our poison, being machshil others by saying it is mutter, as the Conservatives and Reform do.
The definition of “mekabel” is these examples is that the mitzvah was done. Using the term “mekabel” by sefira you were mekabel ba’al korcha the mitzvah of counting and by being yotzeh the counting you can no longer re-do the mitzva, it was done.
If saying “good shabbos” on its own is kiddush as R’ Akiva Eiger suggests and therefore you already made kiddush midoraysa, then there is a chalos shabbos.
Indeed the shitos that disagree with R’ Akiva Eiger take a position similar to yours, that the person intends to make kiddush (and I add by extension – be mekabel shabbos) later, al hakos as the rabbonon were mesaken (e.g. Minchas Chinuch and others).
By a d’oraysa, when there is conflicting shitos one should be machmir.
HaLeiVi – “Where do we find a Kabbala Baal Karcho?”
Examples:
See shitos that saying Yom Hashishi in Friday night ma’ariv is Kiddush, even though there is no intention.
Also see shitos about answering a friend questioning what is tonight’s sefira that if answered directly you cannot count that night with a brocha.
Regarding kabbalah b’tous (mistaken kabbolas shabbos), see halochos if one is mekabel shabbos because it is getting dark (thinking it is shekiah) and when the clouds dispersed he realized there is still much time before shkiyah. There needs to be an element of charotah.
Each example is a discussion of its own.
In any event, the OP asked “usually frummer folks — say Ah Gutten “Erev” Shabbos. Is there an inyan to not say Gut Shabbos before it is Shabbos?”
Apparently, you are noheg like the frummer folks who don’t want to get into a shaylah of an inadvertent kabbolas shabbos followed by issur melacha.
If you were given gifts, then you were deprived of the ability to give ma’aser ksofim to tzedaka. What a pity. I am sad for you that as a child you were unable to take your own money and put it in a pushka.
“Is rabbit meat more kosher or less kosher than bacon?” They are both treif. So is ALL the music out there according to the possek hador of America, Reb Moshe (Teshuvot Igrot Moshe 1:160).
Why are some commentators trying to kasher the “bacon” while others feel that only “rabbit” meat is kosher.
Either we keep halacha and it is all treif, or we don’t keep halacha, then all rules are off and everything is kosher.
Health, you managed to look up the Be’ur Haytev. I am happy that I was gorem you to open a sefer and I take integral part in that zchus.
Another s’mach and rayah that one must not say “good shabbos” before the sun is going down on Friday and all your work is done.
There is a famous and beferushe song of Reb Abie Rotenberg shlitah.
The lyrics clearly point out when is the time to say “good shabbos”:
The sun is going down, it’s shining through the trees.
Another week’s gone by, become a memory.
So throw away your hammer, there’s nothing left to do.
Go on home and find the gift that’s waiting there for you.
(Refrain)
It’s time to say “good shabbos” ’cause all your work is done.
gonna spend a a day together with the holy one
Say a special blesing on a cup filled with wine
Man and his Creator, it’s a very special time.
I am sure you will try to shlog op this rayah too, but it is an accepted song b’chol tfutzos yisroel (I even heard one of illustrious R.Y. at BMG hmming the zemer).
Although I do not have first hand knowledge, I have heard from my chaburah that the Lubavitcher Rebbe many times gave shiurim or pilpulim that showed how the multiple seemingly unrelated machlokes between certain ta’anoim or amorim was based on a common thread li’shitasom. (Examples: if we view the matter generally or in detail; if we look at the act itself or the outcome etc.).
From what I heard, these insights were mamesh gaonuss!
This was also the approach of the Rockatchover Gaon in various machlokes in shas.
If you know someone familiar with this godol’s Torahs in this area, such a person can assist you.
OP sharaga18 – ” let me preface by saying that I’m speaking to those that are here because the site is called YESHIVA world news…”
Imagine if an OP asks on YWN: “Is rabbit meat more kosher or less kosher than bacon?”….wouldn’t that be inappropriate!
The moshel and nimshal fits this thread.
Those that are here surely follow Reb Moshe’s psak: Teshuvot Igrot Moshe 1:160.
Although he writes that it is not required to follow the most stringent opinion of the Bach and the Magen Avraham, he regards the strict opinion of Rav Yosef Karo, which will follow below, to be normative.
The Rema mentioned earlier follows Rashi and Tosfos:
Second, they state that music that is played in the context of a mitzvah, such as at a wedding celebration, is entirely permissible. The Rambam (Hilchot Taaniot 5:14) similarly writes that it is permissible to play music of a religious nature. The origin of this exception dates back at least to the Geonic era, as Rav Hai Gaon espouses this approach. This exception is codified in the Shulchan Aruch (Orach Chaim 560:3) virtually uncontested.
As stated, Reb Moshe paskens according to the strict opinion of Rav Yosef Karo.
In any event, the OP is “speaking to those that are here because the site is called YESHIVA world news” who certainly adhere to Reb Moshe’s psak.
We do NOT listen to ANY modern so-called “Jewish” music (except at a simcha). Certainly not music VIDEOS. They ALL do not conform with halacha.
To question if some are more kosher or less kosher than others is like asking on the YWN if rabbit meat is more kosher than bacon!
THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE!
I am satisfied that I gave Health some simchas hachayim, as in his own words, “I’m happy when I point out fallacies in certain posters.”
I would continue arguing the point but I was taught never argue with a fool – they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
I am thankful for nishtdayngesheft’s pointing out that Health is experienced. I agree. Indeed he is, and a stubborn one too, but thankfully a happy one. Let us keep him happy by giving him reason to point out fallacies.
A gutten EREV shabbos!
It is well known that Reb Aharon once said that a kal she’bkalim is one who collects kulos until he has the maximun kulos on everything – he is a kal she’bikalim.
The opposite of a kal she’bikalim is one who collects chumros. The more chumoros one has the more he is choraid lidvar Hashem. One who acts lifnim mishuras hadin is also treated that way min hashomayim.
May we have more chumros than kulos. That is what Hashem wants from us. Ezehu chosid, hamischasid im kono!
Regarding giving CHanukah gelt – the proper day to give out the gelt is set for the 5th night of Chanukah (see Hayom Yom for the 28th of Kislev).
However, some write that the custom is to give it every night, just add a little more on the fifth night.
An important machshava about money vs. gifts.
A gift is a finished product. Money is not a finished product. One needs to do something with it for money to become useful.
Further, money becomes relevant based on its use, for good, or the opposite.
“Uncovered elbows at 770*(1/10th of a second) into it.” What if anything does 770 and Chabad have to do with Lipa and his new video?
Health – “I’m happy when I point out fallacies in certain posters.”
My friend and fellow Yid, that statement is troubling!
It is a form of ‘miskabed bi’klon chavero’ (raising oneself by denigrating someone else), which Chazal strictly forbid, and can cost olom haba c”v (see Rambam Hilchot Teshuvah 4:4).
The story is told of Rabbi Yisroel Salanter zt”l, who once saw two children playing. When one of the children pushed the other one into a pit and proclaimed himself to be the ‘King of the castle’, he predicted that that child would turn out to be a rosho.
‘But surely,’ someone asked, ‘that is the way children play?’
‘Maybe,’ replied R. Yisroel, ‘but he could just as well have climbed a rock and made the same proclamation. Why push the other one down? That bears the mark of a rosho.’
Surely there are “healthier” ways to make Health happy. If need be, climb a rock or a mountain and proclaim yourself king.
Heath, if you have a Piskei Tshuvos (by my chaver tov Rav B.Z. Rabbinowitz), look up s. 271, s”k 6 at foot note 66.
There he brings the shitos both for and against the underlying rule which is the MG”A who holds that we are yoteh kiddush midoraysa in tefilah, since “saying” is all what is requird midoraysa. This is consistent with Reb Akiva Eiger and the Tshuvos HaRarshba (Vol 4, s. 295). The olom follows this MG”A (which is why women who normally may not daven ma’ariv during the week, daven ma’ariv Friday night – to equalize their chiyuv of kiddush with their husband).
The M.B. has issues with the MG”A and RA”E as I noted but that is besides the point.
Also and related, see Be’er Hetev s. 307 s”k 2 and Mishna Brura s”k 5 in name of Shal”ah the ma’alah of saying “shabbata tova” (gut shabbos) – v’ten l’chochom v’yechkam od.
In any event, since we are dealing with a situation of issur dioraysa of chilul shabbos, this is very serious, and one must be machmir rather than laugh off the issue.
This isn’t merely a debate over ego matters or to shtoch someone or be holier than thou.
Be mekabel for your own sake, and if not, at the very least do not let your ego be machshil es harabim to accept your folly.
Health – “why take on this Chumra?”
Well…maybe… because after saying Gut Shabbos you are now ossur to do melacha, and if melacha is done, it is chilul shabbos.
Is that not reason enough?!
Avoiding chilul shabbos is not just a chumrah! Till now you were a shogeg, but now you would be a mayzid!!
The Jewish tradition is to give Chanukah gelt.
The mikor for this is in the Rambam, pirush hamishnayos, where he writes that the Yvonim “poshtu yodom b’momon Yisroel” that the Greeks took yiddishe gelt.
As such, it became a minhag to give money DAVKA on Chanukah: Chanukah gelt!
The influence of the golus and “their” holiday celebrations caused many to be nichshal in b’chukosayhem by giving Chanukah gifts rather than gelt.
HaLeiVi – The Ness that stood out and makes This Yeshua different and special is the Ness of the Menora, but when it comes to being grateful and thanking Hashem, we thank Him for saving and helping us, rather than skipping that and thanking for a candle burning eight days.
The Gra”ch explains that the days of chanukah are “yemei hallel v’hoydoya” (as we say “L’hodos u’lehallel”) that hoydoya is when a person’s life is saved (arbah tzrichim l’hodos) – going on ness hamilchoma, while hallel is for a ness that is “extra”, that Hashem showed us His love, beyond what we need to survive – going on ness hashemen.
Chanukah was established for BOTH: l’hodos, u’lehalel!
(Therefore in Modim, a time of hoydoya, we say the Al Hanissim about ness hamilchoma davka).
See R. Falk in Oz V’Hadar Levushah where he discusses that long skirts are a problem.