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and some others whose sn’s skip my mind at the moment.
ovktd: In his responsa, Rav Moshe agonized over this unacceptable practice of shaking a woman’s hand and repeatedly stated that it is forbidden and infringes on giluy arayos.
What do you do if a colleague especially bought you a cheeseburger and gives it to you and says “try it, its delicious, I went out and bought it for you”. Do you eat it?
It’s a kiddush Hashem to do the right thing — meaning not eat the cheeseburger or not touch/shake the opposite gender — rather than look or feel good about what you did.
Sam2: The larger problem is the significant part of the non-black hat community that labels the black hatters as religious fanatics and refuses to acknowledge them.
And how, exactly, will the recipient of a bad psak be able to assess that the psak was indeed bad?
Isn’t there a sefer called musser haskel?
Traditionally, Jewish brides have always provided a dowry to the groom.
OTB: Hebrew is not a Jewishly spoken language since the current galus began. It’s reintroduction by the anti-religious Ben-Yehuda notwithstanding.
yitayningwut: You took the reverse position on the bad psak thread. So going with that, adorable’s point has merit, since perhaps you received a bad psak.
No, not at all. I was responding to yic’s post immediately above yours. (Your comment wasn’t up yet when I replied.) Anyways, I specifically said “zat” translates to saturated (not schaudenfreude).
I think zat would translate to saturated and naches would be pride.
I believe halacha requires that.
How many more reasons do you need?
Here’s another one if you need it: Considering all the Rabbonim, Gedolim, Roshei Yeshivos, and ehrlicher yidden that wear it, it’s obviously a very good idea.
If the son-in-law is a mensch he will understand the father-in-law’s concerns and be grateful for his help.
You mean that if he is a mentch he will thank his mother-in-law for her “concern” that he might get divorced in the future and that she is “only” protecting her family from him to insure the best financial outcome for her post-divorce daughter, and so he will effusively thank her for making sure that he has no title to the home that he is expected to pay the mortgage for and further be grateful to her for thinking of his wife’s future once she potentially gets divorced from him?
One point that no one has considered, is that if you exclude your son-in-law from being on the deed, the bank issuing the mortgage will not consider his income when determining whether to approve the mortgage or not. So your daughter will need to have a big enough income, on her own from her own job only, that will make the bank happy enough to approve the mortgage.
Unlikely.
I respect the Edah HaChareidis for guiding the Torah community in Eretz Yisroel under the leadership of HaRav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld ztvk”l, the Satmar Rebbe ztvk”l, and currently HaRav Yitzchok Tuvia Weiss shlita, wisely guiding us through troubling times with sagely advice and direction.
aries, You should call Rav Feivel Cohen yourself and see Ben Levi is 100% correct. Rav Feivel is who Rav Elyashev wrote the letter/psak to. Why does your anti-rabbonim agenda blind you from acknowledging the good of the rabbonim?
Rav Ovadia Yosef wears an “uphat”, similar to many Chasidim and Litvishe Rabbonim.
I respect Satmar for their massive Chesed, Tzedakah, and Hachnosos Orchim operations that they inclusively serve the entire Jewish community with. Founding of Hatzalah, Bikur Cholims, Shomrim, Hachnosos Kallah funds, and so many more that I can’t even remember while fasting.
aries, please don’t use middlepath to promote your agenda, especially considering that he specifically said that the rabbonim did a good job as well as he asked you not to use him. As far as Rav Elyashev’s teshuvas, he has several on the issue on abuse and molestation, and his other teshuvos too demand that a rov be asked before any action is taken. He could not have been any clearer. And the logic is the same as in the teshuva I quoted above.
I respect Teimenim for maintaining their peyos and dress and unbroken Jewish traditions for thousands of years.
apy: Yes, Rav Elyashev clearly said a Rav is required.
Rav Yosef Eliashiv (Yeschurun 15:642):
(emphasis mine)
I must make a machoah for kovod HaTorah, seeing once again aries consistent and persistent attacks against rabbonim shlita, who do a wonderful job for klal Yisroel – and for that I stand up for them and publicly thank them for a job well done indeed.
And of course it is vital to remember that the Agudah, per Rav Elyashev’s psak, said one must always speak to a posek before c’v reporting anything, in order to determine if the halachic stipulation of raglayim ladavar has been halachicly met.
This has always been the case.
aries: Despite your agenda, the gedolim and Agudah have never changed their position one iota. Only if there is raglayim ladavar is it permissible. Rav Elyashev has long paskened so. Nothing new there despite all the insinuations. Furthermore, and for the umpteenth time, this case has absolutely nothing to do with molestation despite the agenda you are pushing. This fact has been publicly corroborated by both the NYPD Police Commissioner and District Attorney.
As far as the issue you changed the subject to (unrelated to this case), one must always be vigilant not to falsely report an innocent person, thus destroying an innocent persons life. Hence Rav Elyashev’s psak and the Agudah’s reaffirmation of what always was the case.
Well said WIY. (All your comments here.)
but then he’ll have my name and I wouldn’t want that
They say he’s a nice guy whose never hurt anyone.
His email is on the YU website. Why not send him a note?
aries: Now you are just changing the subject. On the issue of abuse, both the Commissioner and DA have addressed the subject. And it was negative. Unless, of course, you are wiser than them both.
Yes, you know better than the Commissioner and DA combined. As an aside, Aron’s confession bore out in all respects. But that is almost a side point. The fact is they already ran the DNA lab results, and the Commissioner and DA are privy to the results while you are not. And the DNA results were negative. The Commissioner and DA would risk derailing the prosecution by making a public statement — at a press conference no less — stating that there was no molestation if there was even a slight possibility that later they would find that. Yes both the Commissioner and DA publicly stated there was none, something they wouldn’t have if there was any possibility of prosecuting for that. Now the defense will have those statements on record if they add such a charge. They would never have said what they said if it would risk a charge.
No, I’m not. But what does that have to do with anything. Are you a non-Chasid? Then you are no more qualified to comment than a Chasid. And most of Eastern Europe was not “Litvish” before Chasidus came around. If you want to say they were more like “Oberlander” we can talk, but they certainly weren’t “Litvish”. And they weren’t recruited. Yes, I know. R’ Leibele Eiger didn’t become Chasidush due to any recruitment.
Hundreds of years ago there was recruitment of the OTD to become frum via Chasidus. There was no recruitment of the already frum to become Chasidish. That being said, many frum people became Chasidush on their own volition, without having been recruited.
(As far as Lubavitch today I don’t know, but I am speaking of mainstream Chasidus anyways.)
The NYC Police Commissioner Ray Kelly and the Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes both unequivocally stated there was no sex crimes in this case or in any previous history of Aron. They stated so on the record. And they have access to all the lab results for the tests they ran and the investigations they conducted. You do not.
I doubt that. Source?
I don’t know what happened 200 years ago, but in the last 100 years what you said certainly hasn’t applied. (And even before that there was no recruitment of frum Litvaks.)
When someone eats in McDonalds, he is not even pretending to be frum. Aron was as frum or Orthodox as Bernie Madoff.
The fact Levi Aron was a McDonalds-eating non-Orthodox makes a lot of sense.
Whatever he was, it is clear from the Police Commissioner and District Attorney that Aron was not a sexual predator, and had no criminal history at all in that area (or any area for that matter, other than some single unrelated misdemeanor.)
There was no way for any human being to predict what Aron was capable of doing (murder) beforehand, and even if there was there was and could be no legal mechanism to do anything about it or to commit him involuntarily before he committed any crime.
It is also sad that it turned out that the massive search for the child is what scared and caused Aron to panic and do what he did. It was entirely unpredictable, and the massive search was the right thing to do nonetheless, not being able to possibly predict such an outcome.
LMA, I know of no such tradition.
The Chareidi community doesn’t have a drop in the bucket — less than 1% — of teens being mechallel Shabbos like texting that the OU website quotes a figure of 50% in the MO community.
NO MO Rabbo would permit this
There’s only one MO Rabba that I’m familiar with. Why not ask her?
Aren’t you guys the Shabbos posters? When Hello is davening Kabolas Shabbos and Maariv in Yerushlayim, you guys are still posting… 🙂
So basically, MO is simply Zionism combined with the belief that not everyone has to learn in Kollel, and that the secular world has something to offer (that something includes, it seems, secular studies).
Who disagrees with any of this??
Nobody believes that everyone has to always learn in Kollel.
Nobody believes that the secular world has nothing to offer.
So we still have no answer to the question, “How do you know who is MO?”
And if this is all MO is, why are coed Yeshivos found exclusively and without exception, among MO Torah institutions?
And how much “secular studies” is necessary to be MO? College? High School? Post Grad? Continuing education?
I never understood any definition that was offered to define MO. After hearing answer like it means working and engaging the world, I ask myself is a Satmar Chosid computer programmer Modern Orthodox?? Is Rabbi Abraham Twersky MD, Modern Orthodox? Does it mean that someone who learns in Kollel cannot be Modern Orthodox?
If its about leniencies, there are relatively strict and lenient people within all segments of Orthodoxy. Some married women shave their heads, some wear shaitlach but prohibit human hair, some permit even that. Some people keep a 72 minute Motzoi Shabbos and some are Maikel and keep 45 or 50, even though it is an issue of sofek chilul shabbos. Yet these leniencies would not qualify one as Modern Orthodox. So the question is, how much does one have to be lenient in order to enter the realm of “Modern Orthodoxy”? And since Rabbi Yoshe Ber Soloveichik was the preeminent authority for Modern orhtodox Jewry, does that mean he, too was lenient? In what? He was makpid on Cholov Yisroel, for instance. Does this make those who follow Rav Moshe’s heter are more Modern Orthodox than Rabbi Soloveichik?
How do you know who is MO?
Who even determined that the homeowner is even halachicly liable for the girls injury? Perhaps he is not liable halachicly.
Satmar won’t condition joining to dropping your family minhagim.
Your premise that one can simply “choose” to change chassidus is where you are mistaken.
No talmid chochom would be publicly proclaiming “I am a talmid chocham.”
gavra: Obviously there must be a reason why a) a man would want to take a woman as a pilegesh rather than marry her with keddushin and kesubah and b) a woman would accept that status rather than being a full wife. Any idea why?
Perhaps your response to WIY is the answer to your question to me.