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Josh: That’s incorrect. Almost none of the jobs require working 7 days a week. Once can choose Shabbos as one of their two off days.
IT systems also runs 24/7. Yet the tens of thousands of frum IT professionals do not work on Shabbos.
shlishiMemberWhat is this business with people looking for every kula they can find in some sefer?
Like mdd said HERE a couple of days ago, you can be matir 3/4 of Shulchan Aruch like this. And as mdd correctly pointed out, by posting these kulas as if they are accepted psak you are confusing part of the olam here with the shvere minority shittas that we do not pasken like. And you may be causing people to be nichshol.
shlishiMembermdd: So then why did Rambam allow it? And why did Rav Yaakov Emden allow it?
shlishiMemberA man is also obligated to fulfill his household duties before so-called “learning”.
No. A man’s Limud Torah comes before his household duties.
shlishiMemberyytz: Rav Yaakov Emden wasn’t the only one that allowed that. Ramban (and others) permitted it too.
shlishiMember147:
The frum newspapers do NOT prepare obits on living people.
shlishiMembercomp777: A woman is obligated to fulfill her household duties before so-called “learning” what she is not required (at best) to learn.
shlishiMemberCuriosity: There are Shailos U’Teshuvos seforim from poskim that say women should cover their face (not just their head.)
shlishiMemberCuriosity: I don’t mean the same ones as the Arabs. I mean something not too different. And as I said, it is paskened halacha l’maaisa for various (mostly Sefardishe) Kehillos.
WM: So what? Poskim disagree on things across the spectrum. For those that follow those poskim, obviously their wives shouldn’t wear such a covering. For those that follow the poskim I referred to earlier, they should.
Rav Ovadia Yosef shlita holds that sheitels are assur and married women should wear a tichel (or something of that sort.) Does that mean poskim who allow sheitels think Rav Ovadia took tznius too far? Of course not. And if they do feel that way, so what. Rav Ovadia has a right to have his halachic opinion and they have a right to have their halachic opinion.
shlishiMemberWM: There’s nothing wrong with being an advocate of burquas. There are valid opinions halacha l’maaisa (mainly among Sefardishe Poskim) that women must dress in a cover similar to how the Arab women dress today. It is brought down in many halacha seforim and it is in fact how the Jewish women in various kehillos dressed (before they were forced out and moved to Eretz Yisroel.)
shlishiMemberOh please, yitayningwut. What’s your point about mentioning being in BMG, when we all know your hashkofos (if not halachas) are the polar opposite from BMG. Whether your reliance on the extreme kulos of Rabbi Abadi (I know his former affiliations too) that the Yeshiva communities doesn’t even come close to using, whether on eating foods without a hashgacha based on reading the ingredient list or the myriad of other issues you’ve often mentioned here where you take a very liberal view of things.
August 6, 2012 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm in reply to: Wife/Mother sitting at head of shabbos table? #890741shlishiMemberSam: This isn’t a debate over the semantics of the translation. We can both agree that the “mora” means that she should not sit in her father or husbands seat. And she should stand up when her father or husband comes into the room.
August 6, 2012 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm in reply to: Adjoining property is doing extension- beam is on my property (residential) #890106shlishiMemberThe Aruch Hashulchan in Choshen Mishpat 388 does NOT allow reporting it to the authorities.
shlishiMemberThere are valid opinions halacha l’maaisa (mainly among Sefardishe Poskim) that women must dress in a cover similar to how the Arab women dress today. It is brought down in many halacha seforim and it is in fact how the Jewish women in various kehillos dressed (before they were forced out and moved to Eretz Yisroel.)
August 6, 2012 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm in reply to: Opening Door to Air Conditioned Room on Shabbos #889823shlishiMemberChacham: I understand your comment to indicate that the Meor Hashabbos says Rav Elyashev holds opening a refrigerator is assur on Shabbos. Correct?
shlishiMemberfar east: That is the opinion of the Torah and is cited in the Shulchan Aruch and many many meforshim.
shlishiMemberMods: I want to post a very lengthy translation of some meforshim. They weren’t approved a few days ago, since it was too long. Is there anyone who could approve it if I repost it?
Thank You
August 6, 2012 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm in reply to: Wife/Mother sitting at head of shabbos table? #890735shlishiMemberNOMTHW: Yes, fear in the same sense one is to fear their father or, lehavidl, Hashem. Rambam and many many meforshim say this. See the other thread where the sources are quoted to a great extent.
August 6, 2012 2:57 am at 2:57 am in reply to: Wife/Mother sitting at head of shabbos table? #890728shlishiMemberWolf: Why do you fail to mention the most relevant fact that your mother was the only parent figure at the table?
yytz: And wives are supposed to fear their husbands and treat him as a King. (As Rambam and many others mention.)
shlishiMemberThe UWS singles scene is bad bad news. I don’t know if the bigger problem is wanting to go there or the toxic influence it permeates on those there.
August 6, 2012 2:01 am at 2:01 am in reply to: Wife/Mother sitting at head of shabbos table? #890723shlishiMemberCan a King allow anyone else to sit on his throne?
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Shulchan Aruch(Y.D. 240:17): Both men and women are equal in being required to honor and fear their parents. However, the woman does not have the ability to fulfill this Mitzvah because she is subservient to her husband. Therefore, she is exempt from the Mitzvah of honoring her father and mother while she is married. If she gets divorced or widowed she is obligated.
The Shach adds: It would seem that she is obligated if the husband is not makpid.
August 3, 2012 2:16 am at 2:16 am in reply to: The Torah's View of the Husband / Wife Relationship #894988shlishiMemberRav Avigdor Miller (Awake My Glory): There cannot be two kings. The marriage relationship is two-fold. 1) The wife is submissive. This is not only Jewish but natural. There can be no harmony when there are two commanders. Without this indispensable condition, the home is disordered. “Arrogance is unbecoming a woman” – Megillah 14B. For a man it is not an ornament, but for a woman it is as if she wore a mustache. 2) The second, but equally essential foundation: a man must always demonstrate respect for his wife. This is “the way of Jewish men that… honor and support their wives in truth” as stated in the Jewish marriage contract. “He honors her more than his own body” – Yevamos 62B, Bava Metzia 59A. He is the captain, but she is the First Mate whose counsel is respected. She cannot be made a doormat, she need not beg for money, she deserves some assistance in the house chores, and the husband sides with her against his kin. He must express frequent appreciation and give words of encouragement, and he should remember his wife from time to time with gifts, big or little. Husband and wife should always say “Please” and “Thank You” and never forget to be always polite to each other.
Before marriage it is imperative to ascertain the young woman’s attitude toward feminism and “women’s rights” and careerism. It is out of the question to build a Jewish home, or any home whatsoever, if the prospective wife has been tainted with these anti-natural and anti-social preachings. The woman’s career and happiness are in her home: absolutely and entirely. Her husband, her children and her home are the expressions of her personality and her Free Will, and they are her chief forms of serving G-d. The modern orthodox “Rebbetzin” with a college degree and a job in secular professions is a misfit even in a non-Jewish home. The ideas of revolt against a husband’s authority and the unrealistic dream of equal leadership in the family, lead only to unhappiness and failure, and very frequently to divorce. A Beis Yaakov girl should be wed soon after or before graduation. Every day after she leaves the Beis Yaakov marks another step away from idealism, for the street and the office and the secular school have an unfailing effect which increases from day to day. It is never a simple matter to achieve harmony in the home; effort and wisdom and fear of G-d are required. But with the additional burden of feminism, all problems become aggravated; and like all the unnatural and anti-social affectations of the libertarians this leads only to failure and unhappiness.
August 3, 2012 12:11 am at 12:11 am in reply to: The Torah's View of the Husband / Wife Relationship #894985shlishiMemberAugust 3, 2012 12:10 am at 12:10 am in reply to: The Torah's View of the Husband / Wife Relationship #894984shlishiMemberAugust 2, 2012 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm in reply to: The Torah's View of the Husband / Wife Relationship #894975shlishiMemberAugust 2, 2012 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm in reply to: The Torah's View of the Husband / Wife Relationship #894974shlishiMember[Concerning the pshat see Sotah 21a.]
August 2, 2012 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm in reply to: The Torah's View of the Husband / Wife Relationship #894971shlishiMember[See Kiddushin (2b), What is the connotation of the term kiddushin? It means that she is prohibited to the whole world like hekdash.]
[see my explanation in ohs 6]shlishiMemberGoldenpupik: Like 557 said, that is boich svara. I’ll start another thread to explain to you the Torah’s view on the relationship between husband and wife.
shlishiMembermoski, why are you stalking her?
shlishiMemberDid you “learn” what happened to Bruria?
shlishiMemberHagaon Haposek Harav Pesach Eliyahu Falk shlit”a ‘s sefer Oz Vehadar Levusha is given to the girls in most Beis Yaakov’s in the New York area, per the decision of the gedolim, for good reason.
shlishiMemberMorahRach: In order to be able force a husband to give a divorce in Judaism, there has to be a halachicly valid “cause” that the Torah recognizes that one can demand a divorce for.
shlishiMemberSam: How does the Gemora identify “Congo”?
shlishiMemberFrom the Rabbonim and counselors who deal with divorces frequently: Most divorces were avoidable. Marriages are being disposed of at a rapid rate in a disposable society.
shlishiMemberWhy should there be a difference between handwritten (not a Torah) and printed? Logically there is none. That there is, is a minority opinion. The Halacha remains one mustn’t place a sefer out of order.
shlishiMemberAfter that comment, one thing I can certainly say to Bustercrown: You have a much better husband than anon1m0us.
shlishiMemberFeif: We do not encourage a shiksa married to a Jew to convert. We only encourage the Jew to divorce her.
shlishiMemberReally, Sam? Which Rambam says “she never really turned into salt”? I never saw it, but it could be I overlooked it I suppose. Mekor?
shlishiMemberI wonder how the Slifkin type “rationalists” try to fardrei this pasuk in the Torah. After all, it isn’t “rational” that a person suddenly turned into a pillar of salt.
shlishiMemberSam: Correct. Mutually they can agree to. (Whether it is a good idea even if it is mutual is another question. It isn’t necessarily.) Though, the OP seems to indicate it is not mutually desired but rather one-way, hence my above point.
shlishiMemberThat’s not correct. In Torah Judaism one needs “cause” that is recognized by halacha as valid for demanding a divorce. Without halachicly legal cause, there are no grounds to demand a divorce. And “unhappiness” is not a legally valid cause for divorce. That is true for both husband and wife. A husband (in Ashkenazic communities) is precluded from it based upon rabbinic regulations (Rabbeinu Gershom); a wife is precluded from forcing a divorce based upon Torah Law itself. (IOW, her spouse can legally and morally decline to divorce and insist the marriage continue.)
shlishiMemberYour argument is based on incorrect assumptions:
note that a)her husband and rav know that she covers her hair this way (dan l’chaf zchus – you must assume this for a stranger) and b)she is following her husband or rav’s opinion, even if it is wrong (again, you must assume she is following an opinion because of dan l’chaf zchus combined with the knowledge that there are rabanim, even if wrong, who say that covering the hair less than fully is fine). There are entire communities whose rav does not correct them on this (again, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, I’m saying that they rely on their rav).
Firstly, I’m not limiting my issue with hair covering. It is much much much worse and more than that. It is dressing with the knees and above showing in public in the street (either the hemline is literally above the knee or it is short enough to rise above the knee when she walks, goes up stairs, goes into a car, or other routine daily activities); it is dressing in very tight clothes; etc. And even as far as hair, very often more shows than any shitta ever allows.
And her husband, yes. And he is almost equally guilty as she is, especially if he is taking no action — or worse, encouraging — her illegal behavior.
Her Rov, possibly or probably not. (Being dan lkaf zchus he doesn’t know she is sinning.)
shlishiMemberThank You, Mammele. I rest my case.
shlishiMemberWho decided Rav Moshe is a bigger posek than Rav Belsky? Or than the posek Rav Yankel Shmankel?
We can compare “levels” – in fact, we need to in order to judge who is an authority in the first place! If you can’t comapre levels then how are you to know that someone is a godol? The fact that he is “accepted” as a godol only means that many people have judged his “level” to be that of a godol. But if you cannot compare levels, then these people have no right to accept him as a godol in the first place. And the same common sense that tells you so-and-so stands out among his peers making him an authority, tells you that certain so-and-so’s stand out even more. Or less.
Part of knowing who to follow is to know who is greater. Godol mimenu b’chochma ubaminyan is an assessment that it legitimately made. And as Rav Shach writes – if you dont know who to follow, follow whoever is greater – and, he adds, you can of course tell who is greater.
shlishiMemberIt says in Sefer HaChinuch (Perek 239) that you should give someone tochacha privately and in a nice way; but if they don’t listen to you, then you should embarrass them in public so that they will do teshuvah.
shlishiMemberAnd of course there is no chance that an aishes ish will heed tochachah from a complete stranger that her head isn’t covered enough or not covered in the proper manner. So it is settled.
Incorrect. There is every chance she will heed the Torah once advised that she is acting improperly. Yidden, even when sinning, generally don’t want to be a sinner.
shlishiMemberThe Tzitz Eliezer is a big Talmid Chacham, but he is not in the league of Rav Moshe and the Gedolei Hador, and surely not of the previous generation(s).
shlishiMemberIf one knows in advance that his tochacha will go unheeded, he is not obligated to go through with it.
That is 100% correct. And if he does not know it will go unheeded, and certainly if there is even a small chance it will be heeded, he is obligated to give the tochacha.
shlishiMemberTochacha is an obligation incumbent and halachicly binding upon every Jew towards every other Jew. Not limited just for their immediate family and talmidim. Whether it is a violation of pritzus or thievery.
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