shlishi

right makes might.

there is no formal definition for yeshivish since there is yeshivish movement or group. it is a term imposed by others and sometimes assumed. but mo considers itself a movement, so whoever considers themselves part of that movement would fall in that term.

“We do object to women wearing clothing which does not meet the minimum standard of halacha.

We cannot stop people on the street from doing so, but we do still find it objectionable.

And if we were in charge, we would stop them.”

i think p_b_a summed it up succinctly with that comment. if we could stop them from wearing it on the street, we would. but we dont have to get ourselves a multi-year prison term to do what is right. here the boys at most risked probably a fine and maybe probation. and they knew the chances of them getting caught in the first place was pretty close to zero. so they did what is right.

sjsinnyc, talking about rav elyashiv is a good point you brought up. rav elyashev — at over 100 years old — came out to the street protest a few months ago to SUPPORT those fathers WHO BROKE THE LAW by taking their daughters out of the school in emmanuel.

“I absolutely would have supported Rosa Parks. She was also protesting an unjust law – how is the law protecting people’s property from vandalism unjust?”

just like you agree the law against blacks sitting in the back was unjust and it was okay to break the law and engage in civil disobedience, so too here the law allowing immoral images in residential neighborhoods with children is an unjust law — as you put it — and it is equally okay to engage in civil disobedience and break that law.

gavra wrote: “For joint assets such as bank accounts, etc. just her threat to withhold permission to divide Al Pi Halacha (and go through secular court) might be enough, via the din of Ei Shaskis. I am not a Dayan, so someone who knows more about it could elucidate more.”

im not proficient with ei shaskis, so perhaps you can fill that in. nevertheless, for her to threaten to violate halacha through seizing the joint account via the secular court, wouldnt be much different than someone threatening to rob the house of someone on an extended trip overseas unless he signed the dotted lines agreeing to x, y, and z. it’s halachic theft in either case. a wife cannot, even while happily married, make a donation to tzedaka (tzedaka no less!) if her husband doesnt allow her to (s”a 248:4)! so here were she is sure he doesnt allow her to take the money, surely it is theft.

gavra wrote: “One can usually find an opinion that agrees with what you want, if you look hard enough.”

if this point were correct, it would effectively mean you can negate repaying almost anyone in any dispute if you have possession (muchzak). that would seem to border on the preposterous. also, doesnt relying on an opinion for kim li need to be a rishon or achron (not just any rabbi in the phone book)?

charliehall wrote: “That is a problem in community property jurisdictions. Basically, the husband has no right whatsoever to half his earnings from the very day they are earned. They aren’t his, they never were his, he never established a kinyan.”

two points: a) community property jurisdictions (in secular law) mean it is joint ownership, where each party has 100% ownership of it and right to use it. (not 50% each.) so if he earns $1000 a week at work, he (and she) owns the full $1000; not just $500. so he made a “kinyan” on the full funds and he has full rights to the full funds. b) even if i were wrong about point a, and that were not the case, he (and not she) made a full kinyan halachicly and is the owner exclusively, for the halachic reasons as discussed by the op and throughout the thread. (as she cannot halachicly make a kinyan; it is only his to make the kinyan on.)

charliehall

“Aren’t we commanded to wipe them out? “

Descendents of Haman taught Torah in Bnei Brak. Would you have rushed up to the Rosh Yeshiva and stabbed him to death?

charliehall, do you have any objections to the Torah’s commandment to wipe them out?

the Torah says one’s own life is put before another’s. one would first need to insure their own life is safe before saving someone else’s.

one practical effect is that if she damages (mazik) something, she cant be forced to pay for the damages since she has no money (as any money belongs to her husband and he isnt legally liable in b”d to pay for her damages.)

“If you don’t like it, stay at home.”

like bpt said, it’s a free country and you can do whatever in the world you want. but that is talking like a shiksa. a goyta would just nurse in a pizza shop, not thinking twice about it.

sticky: im pretty (no pun intended) sure that bina was kidding around.

rebdoniel: beautifully said.

popa: in that case why isnt every single harvard law (and other top schools) student have a score of 800 on all sections of the test (or whatever the top score on each section is)? from what i understand, pashute yid is correct in that there are students in harvard that are not 800/800. harvard surely has sufficient 800 scorers applicants to fill every opening.

also, you asked a23 how he got his info that every willing harvard grad isnt getting a 160k position. how do _you_ know that they *all* can get that biglaw or prestigious position, if they so desire?

smartcookie: did you do one or two beshows, or did you go out to date? if the latter, how many times did you date your husband before engagement (and how many the other guys you dated before him)?

“Yes he can, but you don’t have to accept it therefor you basically remain at the old rate until you move out.”

So how much time do you have to move out, and still pay the old rate, if the landlord unilaterally declares the rent increase (at whatever rate he wants) to be effective immediately (beginning next month)?

if you dont have a lease, and are on month-to-month, the landlord can unilaterally declare he is raising your rent any amount he wants, effectively immediately tomorrow (when the new month begins)?

i certainly didnt get that impression! (also, overreacting is a lot better than under-reacting in a case like this.)

i am suggesting that there are many frum *innocent* people in jail in both america and around the world. yes, innocent people get convicted often. sometimes this is later recognized when they reverse a false conviction and many times they are unfortunately never that lucky.

i think frum Torah observant people deserve our prayers before others. that does not exclude anyone else, of course, who we can have in mind in the general matir asurim prayer.

nevertheless, i think it is a valid question why some folks like to put high profile names first, when in truth there are more worthwhile cases we can include individually, considering the limited time each shul has in deciding how many names to individually recite.

“A good place to get shells????”

at the beach?

may that zchus help you overcome the nisoyon whenever you feel like going!

they didn’t call my brother “Ben” at his bris, but do at his aliya. considering he doesnt have a screen name, what might explain it?

itche – what compels you to hurl that kind of loshon hora at yeshivas?

daas – most renters use the owners outside garbage bins (with his permission by renting the property). so the owner is responsible to bring the garbages to the curbside, not the renter.

yogi, if you decide to take blueprints “letter bomb” suggestion, dont forget to ask them mechila for that and for turning their heat down, at the same time. you dont have to wait till erev yom kippur to ask.

DY: who said ZK is a her?

Haleivi: what gives the impression they are thousands of miles apart?

p.s. i definitely agree with mod 80 that they are 2 very different people.

“The just out of Sem girls are getting engaged as speedily as ever.”

just out of sem? try just out of HS!