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Shrek: We are Jewish and Judaism has regulations when a divorce may be demanded and when a divorce may not be demanded. One is not automatically entitled to demand a divorce, under halacha, because they feel unhappy.
I don’t think so. Ask a Rov, not what Sems do.
I did, and that’s what I was told. The Seminaries are following Daas Torah.
“In Town” might be more machmir due to the pull of Times Square, what do I know.
So now you’re adding “in-town” to what previously you said was only Chareidim in EY and Chasidim? Actually OOT yeshivisha Yeshiva’s are the same. What you may be referring to is the laxity amongst OOT outside of the Yeshivas.
And Chassidim (I don’t know about Charaidim) are strict in some things, but less strict in others.
If the issue is tznius, they (Chasidim and Chareidim) are strict in this area.
While the Chasidim and Chareidim in EY have stricter tznius criteria, the Yeshivish oilem in C”L generally go with the same shittos as Rav Falk shlit”a brings in his Sefer. That’s the reason the Yeshivish girls high schools and seminaries use Rav Falk’s Sefer to teach the girls.
As I mentioned, it is indeed unfortunately true that most jobs are in a mixed gender environment. But a) let us not lose sight over the fact that this is unfortunate — we need to deal with it, but at least recognize it is the opposite of what is ideal and b) try to mitigate it as much as possible, at least endeavoring to the extent possible — even if at some financial cost — to avoid or at least minimize a mixed gender work environment.
Working with opposite genders is most definitely an unfortunate thing. Sometimes it might be a necessary evil, but let us not lose sight over the fact it is a danger that ought to be avoided whenever possible even if there is some financial cost.
Being a citizen from birth is the definition of a “natural born citizen” (irregardless of the country of birth.) So, yes in fact, being a citizen from birth is the requirement to be President. (Along with being at least 35 years old, etc.) You do not need to born in the USA (or its territories). (In fact, and as an aside, John McCain wasn’t either born in the U.S., and ran for President.)
the ones who don’t give the tochocho that halacha says one should give, are the ones with tons of the same goodies hiding and lurking behind them. like mw13 pointed out, we all have an obligation to correct others who are doing wrong.
the frum population are larger than just the specific zip codes. i.e. many frum boro park yidden live in 11204. kensington is a different zip code than most of flatbush. etc.
oomis: all the potential problems you relate, equally apply to an only daughter.
walton, i have found the opposite. that those who fail to protest are the ones who are similarly guilty.
walton, im not sure why you are taking your screed out against rabbonim, but like earlier mentioned many poskim including rav elyashiv declared the so-called rca halachic prenup can make a future get a ‘get me’usa’ and future children mamzeirim.
Brooklyn, New York.
roses, when i read that article i saw a big kiddush Hashem. let me quote some relevant portions of it that made me proud to be a jew:
All of which prompts a fundamental question: Are as many as 7 in 10 Kiryas Joel residents really poor?
nosson, both of them are not good people to want to marry. and it has nothing to do with ny. materialistic is a vice found far more often outside of that city that has more Torah observant jews than any other in the country.
aries: did you and your spouse sign the prenup? there is a version available for already married couples. if not, why would you suggest it to others?? rav elyashev paskened that if there is a rca prenup involved, then any subsequent get may halachicly considered a ‘get me’usa’ and potentially invalid, and any subsequent children of hers mamzeirim.
dont underestimate our brothers and sisters!
wolf: another thought that crossed my mind is wouldnt this story be enough for the guy youre talking about to recognize himself in the story and to recognize who you are irl?
why let every meshugana bother you?
OfCourse: Perhaps gashmius figures as the largest portion of your life and worldview. Nevertheless, for many, ruchniyus is what truly counts, including – and in fact most importantly – in shidduchim. By those folks all your ‘facts’ are in fact fictions.
not to detract from the long shifts, but they get paid time and half overtime and they like working overtime, and its voluntary.
u mean female singers???
cherrybim: it is according to the g’dolim. and aic is correct that is would be gezeila.
ive noticed usually the same people who humiliate “fat girls” (see above “rant”) also attack yeshiva girls (same post).
bina: see what it means. it does not mean choclate, flowers, etc. you are not understanding what it means.
sac: maybe heretical, but emotional life definitely has nothing to do with it. according to the thesaurus the _antonym_ of romance is truth. people who _truly_ are romantic are the ones who end up in divorce court.
No, the definition of the word is not “liking”. Look at the dictionary. (It is pasted above. Some entries are love affair/supernatural/untruth/short-lived.) And I said it would be especially inappropriate for initial dating.
And considering 6 out of 7 definitions are very damning from a Jewish and moral perspective, and the one definition that may be semi-kashered with some effort is “Ardent emotional/love”, it may be applicable in the context of marriage but certainly not in the context of dating (as Avram in MD mentioned earlier in the thread), and certainly romance is not applicable in dating that is not on the verge of engagement.
so you are redefining the word to kasher it. thus it no longer is how the dictionary defines the word. why not just find an appropriate word rather than an inappropriate one?
I did provide the entire dictionary entry for the word. In any event, lets go with how you defined it.
You said earlier dating is about “The guy that gets the girl is the one who romances her.”
Now you define romance as A love affair/Ardent emotional attachment/short-lived attachment, fascination, etc.
You really are asking why you are being told that is a very un-Jewish concept and inappropriate to expect from a date???
Most riders getting off at these stops are not going to those buildings. The cross street is a lot more useful for the vast majority.
The dictionary provides 7 definitions of romance, all of which I quoted above (i.e. medieval tale, imaginary characters, something that lacks basis in fact, heroic era, adventure, etc.) Which definition of the term that the dictionary defines it are you referring to?
which dictionary definition above of romance are you referring to?
and dating over a month?? is that in MO communities? in yeshivish circles dating is typically between 4 – 8 dates over 2 – 3 weeks before engagement.
Avram, I agree with your distinction.
Merriam-Websters
Definition of ROMANCE
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a (1) : a medieval tale based on legend, chivalric love and adventure, or the supernatural (2) : a prose narrative treating imaginary characters involved in events remote in time or place and usually heroic, adventurous, or mysterious (3) : a love story especially in the form of a novel b : a class of such literature
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: something (as an extravagant story or account) that lacks basis in fact
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: an emotional attraction or aura belonging to an especially heroic era, adventure, or activity
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: love affair
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capitalized : the Romance languages
Origin of ROMANCE
Middle English romauns, from Anglo-French romanz French, narrative in French, from Medieval Latin Romanice in a vernacular (as opposed to Latin), from Late Latin Romanus Gallo-Romance speaker (as opposed to a Frank), from Latin, Roman
First Known Use: 14th century
why would you want to marry such a vain boy?? be happy they took themselves out of the running and didnt waste your time!
cherrybim: On the same token if someone says he is Christian, they will count his Jewish wife and children — all halachic Jews — as NON-Jewish, thus reducing the true count.
I agree with the posters above who rightly note that davening is supposed to be loud.
I completely agree with yummy about the concept of romance being entirely non-Jewish and foreign to us.
Wolf – a bavarfen is basically the Yiddish word for throwing – i.e. what happens at an aufruf when candies or pekelech are thrown at the choson.
Perhaps I’m being too cynical, but after a poster called yoyo kept us updated on how she is “being followed” around town by a girl from the supermarket, and now we have a quack who is “naucious” since she only got one date in the few months since she entered the shidduch market…
Yeah, I guess I’m just being too cynical.
I believe in traditional male/female roles, especially while dating.
If I offer to pay thats my decision
The “traditional male/female role” would demand that you should never offer to pay.
The guy that gets the girl is the one who romances her.
Uch un vey to any girl that goes to the guy based on that criteria.
Sac, a girl who insists on a guy who went to Harvard or the like is, quite simply, vain.
brotherofurs: that would be like telling someone who is eating pork that the food looks delicious.
A Jewish (i.e. frum) person is prohibited from “judging” two Jewish parties in accordance with non-Jewish law.
Watching it at home is just as treif. Theaters obviously have additional aveiros, but all the main ones apply when watching at home.
s2021, how was your NY judge?