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quark: So post on a MO site if this one is too frum for you.
Rabbi Aviner is a Zionist Rabbi, effectively an Israeli affiliated (in spirit) with the RCA. So there is nothing new here.
Health’s experience is most unfortunately all too common in divorce cases. Someone mixes in and convinces one of the spouses to seek an otherwise unnecessary divorce for a marriage that could have been saved. They destroy the family, the children, and so many people. Undoubtedly these people agitating for the divorce (of someone elses marriage) will have a lot of din v’cheshbon to pay for.
Tikun Haolam is what the Reform use to excuse every time they r”l repeal a portion of the Torah that no longer fits into contemporary Western values.
Ohr Lagoyim is what is often used as an excuse to intermingle with goyim. He’s being a light for them. Sure.
Only a Mechallel Shabbos texts on Shabbos Kodesh. Why are there mechalleli Shabbos? Why does someone eat pork? Why is anyone not frum? We are in golus.
oyrocks: Would you sell golden crosses if that makes you money?
zsdad: Yes, office romances are just as bad. Which is why you shouldn’t socialize with the opposite gender in an office if you must work in one, and it is far better to not work in one.
Alot of times things arent halachily assur, but “frumkite” assur
Movies are halachicly assur. Even if there is “only” one scene of one woman dressed totally tznius except that her shirt-sleeve only reaches just above her elbow. Considering (other than animated only films) that out of over 250,000 made I doubt there are even a handful that meet that criteria. And the vast vast vast majority are far far far worse.
remember no one knows who you are…… 🙂
G-d knows who you are.
That’s pretty desperate. Purchase garb because he is expecting you will only rent to someone in such garb and he is so desperate to rent from you? Possible but very very unlikely.
Which is why I said “and”…
Only advertise in the heimishe papers and only take a heimishe tenant.
How can an American (living in the U.S.) obtain a second citizenship?
deiyezooger: The “rabbi” is no rabbi. It may even be a woman. I doubt he or she cared any more than the family and probably didn’t even know any better than them.
Get married at 14:
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Keddushin 30a-b
(Blatantly copied from gavra_at_work’s post on another thread.)
gavra: Don’t the Sefardim pasken by SA even more so than the Ashkenazim who often go with the Rema? So why would the Ashkenazim go with the SA on headcovering while the Sefardim don’t?
Kasho, Munkacz, Ungvar, Satu Mare etc were located in lands conquered by the ancestors of the present Hungarians. They had another culture altogether.
Those areas were part of Hungary for a thousand year (from about year 900 CE) right until the end of World War I (1920), when the Austro-Hungarian empire was broken up into smaller countries and this area was incorporated into the new state of Czechoslovakia at the behest of the victorious Allies. (Satu Mare was given to Romania then.) It was about 33% (Orthodox) Jewish, while the goyim were a mix of Hungarians, Rusyns (not Russians), and Ukrainians. In 1938 the Hungarians took it back just before WWII and held it until the end of the war in 1944 when the Allies returned it to Czechoslovakia. Because it was in Hungary again from 1938-1944 instead of Czechoslovakia, when the Nazis ym’s invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938, this area (like the rest of Hungary) was spared until 1944 when the Nazis took over Hungary itself. In 1945 the Soviet Union took the area away from Czechoslovakia. When USSR broke up in 1991 it became part of the Ukraine. These were heavily Chasidic towns right up to World War II.
You can say that again. I’m tired of people with an agenda using Leiby’s blood to further their agenda. The fact is both the police and DA said there was NO abuse involved, neither with him nor any previous cases with that perpetrator.
If the guy is in yeshiva, the girl goes to the guy (regardless of who lives where) in order to minimize bitul Torah. If the guy is not in yeshiva, I’m not sure.
Baruch Hashem Agudas Yisroel has consistently maintained, in the past and present, its position based on the Moetzei Gedolei HaTorah and Rav Elyashev’s psak din that it is required to ask a posek before ever c”v massering to the authorities. Precisely because of all the false accusations that fly around. (It’s similar to when parents divorce and one r”l falsely accuses in court the other spouse of abuse.)
Their have been numerous proven cases of false accusations by both children and adults.
There were poor Yidden living in Hungary too.
The Yekkes (German Yidden) are similar in a sense (in a different way though) to the Hungarian Yidden with their respectability.
popa: Wasn’t this supposed to be last night’s Motzei Shabbos troll thread?
The CC wrote in Likutei Halachos that in his time they began allowing limited teaching (of Chumash etc. not Gemora) to the girls because “presently due to our myriad sins, ancestral tradition has become exceptionally weak… because [if we do not do so] they are prone to abandon the path of God and violate all principles of [our] faith.” That’s why he held even R. Eliezer would allow it under the unfortunate circumstances.
Why would the guys give up their advantage?
What about machzir grushuso mentioned by a heimisha mom and tryinghard?
And Yael Respler is modern orthodox. So this idea that its not a good idea clearly cuts across ideological lines. She is also a therapist that deals with shalom bayis issues, giving her much credibility on this issue.
That was the case up until the Beis Yaakov’s were established.
That women can learn the mitzvos they are obligated to keep was never in question by any authority. Indeed they are obligated to learn the mitzvos they must keep.
The Chofetz Chaim in Likutei Halachos on Sotah says that girls should only be taught Chumash, Pirkei Avos, Menoras HaMaor and the like. He is solidly against teaching them gemorah.
Simcha, so the modern woman is on a higher spiritual plain than 3000 years of Jewish women prior to them? Seems counterintuitive.
I think the OP’s analysis is how the modern schools (i.e. YU) use to justify teaching girls gemorah. But the Gedolei Yisroel of the Litvish and Chasidic world don’t make such an analysis, and simply follow the Shulchan Aruch. I think the halacha is pretty clear against formal schooling in gemorah for girls. I don’t believe prior to YU’s teaching girls gemorah have there been any schools formally teaching gemorah to girls in the Torah world.
I agree with Mod 80 that leaving up oomis’ post (with Mod 80’s disclaimer) serves two purposes: 1) It answers the OP why women don’t learn Gemorah and 2) It helps point out the absolute insanity and anti-Torah posts by ostensibly “frum” people that get submitted here — that mostly don’t make it to the board.
Wolf: Mod 80 was talking about two different posters.
BTW, I think mosherose’s main issue on the YWN CR is his intense dislike of Wolf. I noticed for the longest time, he takes a sole and personal focus on Wolf’s comments, and consistently looks to knock them irregardless of how innocuous they may be. He rarely comments on other posters.
Mod 80, you mentioned you agree with him sometimes. When?
Very well said 600 Kilo.
Yasher Koach
Everyone’s mechuyiv to get married. As far as information, you must always ask a shaila before giving any negative information.
The point here is that divorce is NOT the only option, even though all too many times it is the only option pursued.
Can the check be dropped off at the Rov’s shul?
No one should ever get divorced without daas Torah. Daas Torah didn’t tell this couple to divorce. And there is good reason for that. Divorce is terrible.
And certainly no one should ever chlila vchas encourage another person to divorce under any circumstances whatsoever. Especially an anonymous person on a forum who you have limited rose colored information on. Leave it to daas Torah.
Because they’ve become desensitized to divorce when the entire secular culture is throwing marriage away and has a greater than 50% divorce rate.
Also, from what I’ve seen the couples that get married in their teens (18, 19) tend to have the longest lasting marriages. Perhaps they’re not coming into the marriage with the preconceived secular corrupting notions.
One needn’t rachmana litzlan get divorced to know its horrors.
Chalila encouraging someone to breakup their marriage is a terrible thing for one to do.
I throw recyclables in the regular garbage with no problem.
You can — and halachicly must if you are drinking it — get a water filter in your house.
No one said divorce is never viable, just that in most cases it is unnecessarily obtained.