Shev16

There aren’t that many OTD kids in Lakewood.

You’re right, it is only semantics. But why do you refer to the “YU camp”? Why and how are they a “camp”? And why have they camped themselves seperate from traditional Orthodoxy. The MO gave themselves and use that label for themselves. So-called “Chareidim” didn’t apply that label to themselves (outsiders did) and rarely use it for themselves. You can go from Kindergarten through Kollel without once hearing “We are a Chareidi Yeshiva.” Even the label Orthodox is a semantical and meaningless term that, also, was applied by outsiders. (“Chasidim”, too, is a name sarcastically applied to them by outsiders who didn’t like them.) A Jew is a Jew.

We can all agree that a killer whose guilt is established with certainty that he pulled the trigger (or stuck in the knife, etc.) should carry an automatic death penalty in all 50 States. Once convicted he should be executed forthwith, without requiring any further sentancing by either judge or jury.

tsharer: TIDE is the German Breuer kehila. They are chareidi/yeshivish. TIDE is an integral part of the yeshivish community. TIDE gedolim and community members are part of the same infrastructure and organizations as all other Chareidim. Whether Chareidi Litvish/Yeshivish, Chareidi Chasidish or Chareidi TIDE/Yekke. The MO are TuM, not TIDE. (And, in fact, TIDE is the polar opposite of what MO represents.)