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as was noted by an earlier poster the often quoted source of machzor vitri is not really a source for mitzvah tantz. however the Bach in EH 21 (I think sk 5) quotes a Rashal that says it is muttar to dance with kallah but talmid chacham should refrain, the Bach finishes by saying that in places where the minhag exists it can be done and anywhere else is issur gamur. The Rama in EH 21 sif 3 (I think) quotes this kulla of the Rashal as a yesh omrim and the Chelkas Mechokek and Bais Shmuel both quote the Rashal/Bach. It is very hard to say it is assur however I personally would not take part, guess its due to my very litvish upbringing….
shepherdParticipantthis like most other “segulas” is probably the issur deoraysa of darchei emori!!! (shlissel challa and mazinka tanz are two popular ones….)
May 20, 2013 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm in reply to: Why do they teach girls to sound like Harrys? #1144959shepherdParticipantyou do realize that the yeshivish havara is the newest one that exists it is exclusivly an american invention and is horrifically inaccurate. particularly the newest version where its combined a little more with the chassidish way and e/t is milail….
shepherdParticipantstaying up the whole night learning traditionally was only done by the greatest torah scholars. see the shlah’s description of the base yosef’s shavuos night. it is an american thing that so many men stay up and an even newer american thing that women do as well. no one has a problem with women learning its just interseting that this is one of the few mitzvos that are more relegated to the males and this is where some females choose to be active in. why not take something in which you are actually chayav and work on being mehadar it? as for the chafetz chaim alleged quote that women should indeed learn more to stay on the derech that would be as much as would be needed
shepherdParticipantalso i always find the term “modern orthodox” to be an oxymoron. the word orthodox is made up of 2 parts orthos “right, true, straight” and doxa “opinion, praise,” which my understand of it is that it has remained true to its original source which modernizing by definition doesn not do
shepherdParticipantsince the “center” of jewish orthodoxy is the torah, as codified by the shulchan aruch, the correct definition of centrist orthodoxy is to follow shulchan aruch. I myself am trying to be a centrist jew (im not always as succesful as i would like…) as if something is permitted according to halacha I see no reason to prohibit it. similarly if something is prohibited i do not have the audacity to permit it. I am a centrist Jew (and proud)
shepherdParticipantfor someone who seems to know so much i am surprised you include the rosh and smag as sephardic when they were actually ashkenaz… also do you not know that the mechaber, kesef mishna and beis yosef are all actually the same person?
shepherdParticipantsee also seder hayom how he explains it. he is quoted on this by R’ Avraham Azouli’s notes on the levush
shepherdParticipantas i am sure everyone here is aware the shulchan aruch is like notes for the mechaber’s magnum opus the beis yosef, and is meant for review not psak. so even though in shulchan aruch the mechaber does write chayav inush… see beis yosef to know what his psak is.
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