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its http://www.sheefalinks.org you could check it out!!! and its a shidduchim service
shaindelMemberthe jewish press is well known for their classifieds, also check luach.com
August 19, 2010 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm in reply to: Funny Shidduch Questions Asked About a Boy/Girl/Family #914015shaindelMemberI got a hilarious reference call for info about a girl, so the mother basically read from a list of 20 questions I felt like shes reading from a list cause she said “did I miss something oh, #6 ” NO JOKE so a while later I was reading Binah’s shidduchim magazine where I saw the exact list of questions -verbatim (Its getting ridiculous) she also wanted to know about stuff no onein their right mind will answer truthfully!! like is she gorgeous? the girl happened to have beautiful midos-wise but she wasn’t extraordinarily gorgeous so what was I supposed to say????
bottom line is the moms call the girls but they wont get straight answers for sure not, everyone I spoke to says they only exaggerate and embellish everything to make it sound perfect! I mean things get back to you and by the way I have one particular friend who calls me and repeats the whole conversation she had with the guys mom sometimes they are normal- a relief- but sometimes I find out who to stay away from!!!! the moms can totally ruin their sons shidduchim with their questions!!
I wonder what happens on the other side girl’s parents call boys references prob. the same…
shaindelMemberName,Address,Home Phone,Parent’s Cell(s),Your Cell,Email Address
Age, Date of Birth ,Hgt
School:
H.S.,Seminary/Yeshiva/Beis Medresh,College/Graduate School
Employment:
Presently,Past Year(s),Past summer(s)
Community involvement/Chesed/Volunteer work
Camp, Name,Bungalow Name
Shul, Rabbi, Phone number
Family:
Parents,occupation
Sibling- name, age, what they do?(school, college,etc.),spouse’s name(if applicable)
each sibling
Machatonim- Name,Phone number (if applicable)
Grandparents-maternal/paternal sides, names,where they live,
Parent’s siblings-maternal/paternal sides, names,where they live,
References:
Name,phone number
Rabbi/Rav,Family friends,Teacher/principal from seminary/yeshiva/ H.S,Friends preferably married,Co-workers
It’s important when you choose references be careful to choose people you trust and really know you well!! Also try to choose people who are good speakers- the key is that the people calling should be impressed with you!
Looking for spouse who is:what s/he should do (learn/work), personality, character traits that are important to you etc.
Looking for Family who is: characteristics, qualities etc.
What are your plans:(optional) job plans, life goals etc.
What kind of person are you:(optional) talents, hobbies, personality, character traits, how others describe you etc.
shaindelMemberBnos-
frum girls more towards yeshivish, solid BY
Raninu-
all diffrent types*****(see Sternberg) more open minded BY
Shira-
frum girls more open minded & yeshivish solid BY
Chedva-
frum girls more open minded-BY
Sternberg-
*****all diffrent types meaning: out of town, in town, frum, yeshivish, middle, modern etc. its a very open minded and everyone can go type of camp
A lot of camps dont have a certain type they get tons of different girls you have to look at were they live, school etc. to get a better picture. Some camps are known to be fancier, more in town, flatbush, out of town, aidel etc. than others
personally I know many girls who go to a camp which on paper is sooooo nooottt their type at all but they love it!!!!
so really check out the individual!!!!
shaindelMemberthis is a list forwarded by tons of pple many times i cant take responsiblity for any of the listed shadchanim although i thought pple would appreciate the list b/c there are well know shadchanim on it as well THE MODERATORS CAN TAKE IT OFF IF THERE’S A PROBLEM
shaindelMemberDaven HaKadosh Baruch Hu is Mizaveg Zivugim… the shadchan is a shliach So Daven, have Bitachon yes, IY”H BeKarov!
Be referred to the shadchan, email them, call them, text them call in the mornings!!!!!
some have certain hours— be considerate if your polite they’ll be nice too!
some pointers:
call back once they redd a shidduch in a timely manner
speak respectfully, if the shidduch’s not for you don’t say anything that could hurt the other party involved (he’s ugly etc.)– its just not for you
Hatzlacha IY”H everyone should find their besherte bkarov!
shaindelMembernooo they have beards….
shaindelMemberGirls need everyones support and really HaKadosh Baruch Hu Has the ultimate plan. Every one should daven, use the time to become better people, help each other out- chesed-, they have many opportunities at this stage of life since they are capable individuals with a unique role. They can and should do whatever they can to keep busy and not let their single”ness” takeover their lives.
The key is contact everyone they know and let them know your out there because you never know someones bound to know someone! Really contact everyone and have parents, friends do the same it should be a project while you’ll living life!
shaindelMemberIdeally a shidduch database could work but I wonder how many people put themselves on it?
shaindelMemberIt makes sense that the best shidduchim are from people you know. There’s a great way to make shidduchim through shidduch meetings it gives people an opportunity to present different singles and come up with good shidduchim! The whole idea is you join a meeting of 20-40 ladies all devoted to spend time for making shidduchim. You describe a single you know and someone there is bound to know of someone or someone’s relative that could be suitable. It really works!!!!
shaindelMemberWhen I was in seminary in Israel ya, there were the girls going out to eat, going shopping in malcha or Mamilla (malls)living it up like they were on vacation not living in Israel-a Makom Kadosh!, There are hypocritical people ya, they go to the frum camps, high schools but in seminary the girls listened to their non Jewish music, books, magazines,videos etc. and I went to a well known to be good frum seminary(I was shocked!)I wonder if the good frum boys yeshivas have the same issue?
My point really is you must know your child before sending him/her to Israel make sure you can trust 100% they know whats right and whats wrong!
shaindelMemberPeople generally tend to feel safer following protocol but really not everything is clear-cut and ya, sometimes the easy-going mentality ends up being better then following protocol ( going to a shadchan,getting set up,checking out the girl/guy(1week guy next week girl) by the time the girl says yes its take a looooong time!, the shadchan sets the first 2-3 dates,etc.)
Sometimes you should take the risk and be a little open minded so many really great,heimish,frum u-name-it couples met sort of own their own,for example in Israel at a family’s shabbos table later the couple redt them to each other- there’s nothing wrong with it!
shaindelMemberMany times if a mother senses that something isn’t right with the shidduch, behavior or hashkafa differences etc. She should discourage the shidduch. girls and boys should learn to look out for warning signs if their is something wrong ex. if a boy is anti a certain yeshiva then ask why!!-did they have bad experiences? or if a girl doesn’t want to talk about her family then bring it up!! Especially since the dating period is quick singles must be alert and careful to look out for key problems!!
shaindelMemberSomeone emailed me this as a basic outline for a shidduch resume- check if it covers everything.
Full Name, (what your called (optional))
Address
Home Phone
Parent’s Cell(s) -so the shadchan can reach your parents
Your Cell-(optional)
Email Address
Age
Date of Birth
Hgt
Appearance(optional)
School:
H.S.
Seminary/Yeshiva/Bais Medresh
College/Graduate School/Vocational School/Training
Employment:
Community involvement/Chesed/Volunteer work:
Name, Phone number, what you do
Camp, Name
Bungalow Colony/Vacation/Summer Home, Name (if applicable)
Shul, Rav, Phone number
Family:
Father(name), occupation
Mother(name),(maiden name), occupation
Sibling- name, age, what they do?(school, college,etc.),spouse’s name(if applicable)
each sibling
Machatonim- Name,Phone number (if applicable)
References:
Name, how you know them- (Rav,Rebetzin,Family friends,Neighbors,Teachers/principals from seminary/yeshiva/H.S, Friends preferably married,Co-workers,boss etc.)
phone number for each reference
It’s important when you choose references be careful to choose people you trust and really know you well!! Also try to choose people who are good speakers- the key is that the people calling should be impressed with you!
Looking for spouse who?,Looking for Family who?
What your plans are?,What kind of person you are?
shaindelMemberCountless, ideas come up all the time sometimes the shadchan thinks of an idea and the boy doesn’t look in to it at all, or looks in to it but it’s “not for him”, actually going out is a separate thing it really depends on the boys mom.. if shes open minded-a breath of fresh air–she’ll allow for the shadchan to give his info. then the girl’s mom calls his references if she’s openminded or desperate she’ll “just give him a date” but if she’s picky and the answer is “no” were back at square one!
This can go on who knows how long with everyone in the frum comm. So the question really is all the singles are getting redt shidduchim but no…for one person this isn’t good enough and another this isn’t and before long the shadchanim wont bother calling anymore!
The succesful ones are for frum, open minded, considerate and caring singles
also whose parents aren’t overbearing and overprotective!!!!!!!
who understand we all have faults I mean we’re not Hashem!
shaindelMemberIt matters, if girls are becoming very accomplished and the boys are encouraged to stay in kollel-‘cuz it’s good for shidduchim!
The girls are looking for a rare breed while the boys are staying in kollel when we have girls wanting one thing and their counterparts doing something diffrent…. ends up working out that the girls date guys not on their frum enough
and guys date girls but they dont seem to get their act together….dont have plans for the future I mean who’s gonna support until their 100???! I know someone whose grandparents are supporting the couple.
shaindelMemberI know a well known shadchan personally and she made about 2-5 successful shidduchim a year
shaindelMemberI’m not sure if Jdate is soo religious why not check out http://www.sawyouatsinai.com ???? whats with shidduchworld.org I saw it advertised here??
shaindelMemberYou’d be surprised girls who come from families where everything is NOT given on a silver platter have large savings for their wedding,shadchanus and helping set up their future home..
these girls work hard for their money. As far as those who aren’t saving SHOULD be putting aside $ it’s not only the parents responsibilty… the singles could give from their own $
It’s called Hakaras HaTov!!!
shaindelMemberI heard of a girl who was in shidduchim long enough and she wanted to offer a substantial amount,… a couple of thousands… to make shadchanim redt her quality boys, she was told not to do it
shaindelMemberaround $1000 from both sides= $2000 depending on the family some give silver which is also thoughtful they really deserve a nice $ amount they’re building our future generations
shaindelMemberMany boys do not go to shadchanim its the shadchanim who go to their mothers or them (depending on their age) so that’s another question there are many boys who you have to pull out of the woodwork and that’s were the lack of boys falls into play the boys aren’t as active with shadchanim as in presenting themselves
and shadchanim get all excited if they find a normal guy who mentchlech, learns/koveah itim and are going for a proper professsion some one who will be able to support a family nicely just like 20-30 years ago!! try to find them– they seem to be a rare breed– its what hundreds if not thousands of girls are looking for and WHERE are they?? Landers, YU maybe??
shaindelMemberSounds like a lot of people feel we need MANY MORE people out there in the ratio of shadchanim to singles is horrible- our community has grown B”H and just like we need doctors, lawyers and teachers we also need more shadchanim…
It really should become a PROFESSION ( anyone interested???) it just doesn’t equal up it should be a 1 shadchan per 40 singles NOT more! by now we have thousands of eligible, quality, educated, sophisticated, gorgeous (you name it) singles who dont have a date in sight and it’s Definitely not for any reason its just that they’re
aren’t enough shadchanim The shadchanim who are working day and night deserve our biggest admiration they are building up Klal Yisroel where would we be without them??? they definitely deserve more then anyone in the world other than teachers and Rabbeim who are also underpaid but deserve so much for molding our children! they are guaranteeing the future generations
shadchanim simply can’t save the WORLD!! Come on…… think of just two singles a week and work with them!! you can make a difference!
Again, I’m asking everyone out there and you do not have to be a yenta-someone told me they cant set up pple cause they’re not a yenta- I said come on if you thought of a suitable shidduch( & the guy’s mom will listen to you- that’s another story……)go for it!!!!!
shaindelMemberYa, CKK said exactly what I was trying to say, YOU can make real shidduchim chances are you know your siblings,cousins,friends and neighbors better than a shadchan! Your suggestions probably will be on TARGET and it doesn’t hurt to try!! All we need is everyone out there to start getting involved the crisis is because shadchanim are overwhelmed, overworked and underpaid… they get tons of people and can’t keep up with all the people calling them at all hours of the day and expecting them to set them up!! they try their best but it’s not humanly possible to redt shidduchim day and night when you have a LIFE TOO… we need more of them as well and not enough people are getting involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shaindelMemberThere are sooo many opportunities for frum people Touro, YU, Stern, Sara Schnierer, Bulka, Raizel Reit-TTI….. People 20 yrs ago didn’t feel comfortable- they just took their courses and went home!-Nowadays, people definitely don’t belong in co-ed colleges unless they’re really intellectual and not socializing at all.
Don’t fool yourself college campus is not the place for a frum person!! If you are on campus please be careful!
Touro and YU have built up outstanding reputations there is no need to go elsewhere…
shaindelMemberPlease daven for Dovid Eliyakum Ben Tzivia he is need of all of our tefillos. May Hashem bentch us for this upcoming year to have only bring yeshuos for Klal Yisroel.
shaindelMemberI think people shouldn’t be serving alcohol at Bar Mitzvahs either! The young 13 year olds are drinking regular alcohol- that might be when the problem starts! I’m sure(at least I hope) their parents wouldn’t be to thrilled!
shaindelMemberI know some seminaries level girls I think its beneficial, since girls who are at different levels can learn at their own pace. The girls who want to learn at a high school level can and those who want more advanced honors classes like learning from certain Rabbis & Teachers or only in Hebrew can gain tremendously! It works both ways…
also sometimes girls can get into the honors class for the next semester if they’re up to it.
shaindelMemberit’s not only the boy or girl who have to be more open- it’s the PARENTS TOO!!
The frum community (across the board) has divorces, illness unfortunately but that’s a fact- BTW so do we all whether we are open about it or not… no one is completely ideal or perfect we all have our things. Think about it. Name me one family thats ideal in todays shidduch standards???? I can’t possibly think of anyone!
Relatives, Neighbors or Friends who seemingly look ideal all have something it might not be as obvious and well known as an illness or divorce!
A person should be judged based on their own qualities because middos wise they might even be better then the future mother in law ….who is nit picking on the sibling while her own relative had something wrong and just no one knew about it!
shaindelMemberI heard of someone who has seizures is that genetic?
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