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Open up the tzemach tzedek and learn something for your life. he goes thrue shitos over there about saying a bracha when you are not obligated in it. many hold its not an issue cuz you are prasing hashem.
In piskai tshuvos he clearly brings other rebbe’s who davened after chatzos. we have a mesorah, not with reb meir shapiros pshat also these rebbes davened late also shabbos, so obviously they didn’t do it becasue of reb meir shapiros pshat
The alter rebbe is shulchan aruch paskens you can not daven shachris after chatzos, but in his igros he paskens different he says tefillin is מן התורה not like in shulchan aruch where he says it’s דרבנן, see shulchan aruch harav siman 106 how that can allow one to daven at any time.
we are allowed to accept reb chayims pshat in rambam about kavana, (if its pshat in rambam then its shitas harambam, anyway this idea of davening without kavana is not davening is not only from reb chayim) and not brisks minhagim,
@arso As to being a hedyot (not an idiot!) when sleeping in the sukkah when you are pattur, the same is true of eating in the sukkah when it is raining, yet Lubavichers do so, and with a berachah!
good point! so? (thats one of the questions of the sicha, why was the frierdiker rebbe so machmir about drinking water even when raining, and not sleeping) go learn the sicha. eating when raining comes from the baal shem tov.@avirah. We don’t need to follow the steipler or brisk
It’s not a bracha livatala, that’s am haaratzus, see the Mishnah brurah, he writes it’s a bracha livatala according to many poskim, others argue. See tzemach tzedek I mentioned before
The rambam says someone can daven a tefillah nedavah anytime, the raaved writes he doesn’t need to add anything.
See piskai tshuvos he brings many rebbe’s who davened late, even though he says it’s not for the public, many disagree, and it has its base in halacha as mentioned, and just like those rebbe’s did – amshanov, klosenberg rebbe’s daven shachris after chatzos, the Baal hatanya did too. And in chabad it’s the mesorah since then much has been written how it’s ok.@arso regarding Sukkah you can open a shulchan aruch see the magen Abraham and Taz, one of them say that someone who can’t set up his bed comfortably in a Sukkah is puter and if he sleeps even if he’s patur – he’s a hadyot – idiot in English. The magen Abraham says that there is a heter for married men never to sleep in the Sukkah.
Now the question of sicha is a different question, you can see there at length, I don’t want you to misunderstand it from me like you did from your relatives, (could be your relatives misquoted it) but the amazing chidush is not the rebbe’s it’s from the rogetshover
Anyway the fact that you know some people who slept in the Sukkah is like saying you know some chabadskers who keep or don’t keep tznius, just cuz some people do something it doesn’t make it minhag chabad.
The frierdiker rebbe is the best source of history we have. Chas vishalom to speak against a tzadik yesod olem. Besides for the fact that he didn’t sleep in a Sukkah, and he was born 5640 less than 70 yrs from the alter rebbes passing 5573. He heard history from hIs grandmother. And there were many chassidim alive both by the alter rebbe and the frierdiker rebbe.
I didn’t say the rambam or tzemach tzedek says it’s ok to daven shachris lichatchila after chatzos, If you check up those sources you’ll see it’s not a bracha livatala. Open up the tzemach tzedek and learn something for your life.
In piskai tshuvos he clearly brings other rebbe’s who davened after chatzos.
The alter rebbe is shulchan aruch paskens you can not daven shachris after chatzos, but in his igros he paskens different he says tefillin is מן התורה not like in shulchan aruch where he says it’s דרבנן,
It’s a long arichus, do your research.
Of course after you guys have nother to answer about tefillin and tznius etc etc, you pick something else.
Why do you guys attack chabad based on what you heard from your relatives? Even thought of first seeing the sicha inside?@Yankel berel what one chabad fellow answered you does not represent chabads view.
Now for me I don’t doubt what the rebbe says just like any Talmud should not be doubting his teacher. If one thinks he has a kashya he should ask his teacher, or try to figure out the answer other ways , but not dismiss dis teacher – who knows endless times more than him (the rebbe) just because in the students mind he has a kashe. It just means he didn’t correctly understand either the place he has the kasha from or the teacher.What is the mekor for hbad people to daven shm’essrei shaharit on shabbat afternoon . Why are they not brahot levatala
One source is today’s rambam hilchos tefillah see the ראבד
See also צמח צדק הלכות ציצית about if women can make a bracha on a mitzvah they are not obligated (it’s a long teshuvah and talks about making brachos if one is not obligated)
Many more sources and it’s not only chabad, look in piskai tshuvos,One of the reasons for davening late is because by davening a person needs to have kavanah he is standing before hashem and talking to him (reb chaim brisker writes that if not, it’s not davening at all) that’s why in shulchan aruch it says you need to forget about everything before you daven, and many other hachanos stated there.
Who says one should skip all the hachanos, and just say words with minimal kavanah in order to beet chatzos? It can be not even considered davening.
It actually says in shulchan aruch if one can’t have kavanah he should not davenUjm when I go on mivtzoim I tell him it’s a commandment fro. Hashem, there is letters back and forth about this from rav hunter to the rebbe, you can see for yourself. Anyway as I mentioned מבצע תפילין was indorced by all the gedolim. Rav Moshe etc.
Avirah. The modern yeshivish also consider themselves yeshivish, and who cares, what are labels?
The rebbe said everyone should be involved in shlichus, you don’t need to where a frak to go on shlichus, there are shluchim with bekeshes and shtraimels.
As I said before the alter rebbe said chassidus is for every jew. You can learn chassidus, learn Chitas and rambam, do mivtzoim, go to the ohel, go to 770, and not consider yourself chabad, you can also do none of the above and daven nusach achkenas, and consider yourself chabad. I won’t have an issue, nor does the rebbe or anyone else.
I guess according to you the yeshivish are very concerned about their image, so anyone who doesn’t fit their box they label them modern, in chabad we don’t care .
Btw visiting the yeshiva world news and writing on this coffee room, is against all the litvish gedolim and rabbonim,Sorry mistake . It was rav chaim shmulevitz (printed in hapardes 5728) also the gerer rebbe wrote a letter there.
So typical of you guys, I wrote there was a letter from agudas harabbanim of usa and Canada. A letter from Reb Moshe encouraging all the mivtzoim in 5738, and you guys found one mistake I made.
Ok I made a mistake. I admit.
Yated naaman printed tons of progeganda against chabad i.e. misquoting sichos (which can be looked up today, take the articles and look up the sichos) and based on that showing how chabad doesn’t hold of certain halachos.
(And btw they write that שלמות הארץ even though the rebbe based it on a halacha in shulchan aruch siman שכט, really it’s just ציונות, nice pshat, but anyone who learns the sichos knows the rebbe was against ציונות, there are many sichos about it, there is a Sefer מענת חכם explaining chabads shita etc,,
Another famous thing you quote is about Sukkah the hater is were mitztayer that were not mitztayer that were not mitztayer,
I think it comes from the yated.
In truth the rebbe says only once מצטער.)
(And the sicha is only to explain how Kabalah and halacha can fit together, not that based on this we don’t sleep in the suckah, learn the sicha inside. Chabad didn’t sleep in the suckah since the alter rebbe, didn’t eat shalosh seudos either. The rebbe just came to explain how it fits with halacha. (You see in the alter rebbes shulchan aruch many times how he’s מלמד זכות on a minhag)Arso tefillin on Jews. The agudas harabbanim of usa and Canada wrote a letter encouraging מבצע תפילין, there is also a separate letter from Reb mosh feinsten supporting all the rebbes mivtzoim. Search Google and you can find them.
(Why it wasn’t done before, 1) many places were anti semitic or at least anti encouraging non religious Jews to practice similari to why Jews didn’t encourage non Jews to keep Sheva mitzvos. 2) a lot of the unreligious Jews many yrs ago were anti religious not like today who just grew up non frum. 3) I think you could find in history a concep of putting tefillin on non frum Jews (definitely from the Baal shem tov, and I think from the סמג, I need to check)
Anyway all the gedolim supported it besides the satmer rebbe. Reb yeruchem from the mir wrote a letter in support.
Somehow ponovitch and satmer had success thru their massive advertising campaigns to convince dumb people who are too stupid to research facts, that all the gedolim were always against chabad or at least since the rebbe or the frierdiker rebbe.@arso now that you know that when you go to your relatives you may see something not tznius, did you stop going?
I’m not sure exactly the halachos, but the Gemara in b”b says that someone who passes a non tznius place, when he has a different way to go, even if he doesn’t look is a rasha.
If you don’t need to go somewhere, you’re not allowed to go there if there is non tznius women, I’m not sure exactly the pratim, you should ask your rav, (not just go and write about it on tyw, being over לא תתורו and לשון הרע,)Arso being mekarev yidden. See keser shem tov, see seforim hakdoahim – full of it.
See specifically the Sefer pokeach ivrim from the mitiler rebbe. How he instucts a Baal tshuvah how to act, and see the hakdama which has the story behind it that the alter rebbe – Baal hatanya told a big Talmud chacham to become a wagon driver, and that’s how he ended up being mikarev this yid (who was married to a non Jew)
I agree it was less commen being that there were much less non frum Jews.
And according to you it’s new, so…. Internet it also new, shaitels are also new, yeshiva movement is also new, brisker derech halimud is also new,
Tznius comments – nothing to add, as I said the same isur applys to staring at a finger of a women as any other part of her. Torah gave us halachos, and also teaches how to enforce them, when their was a Sanhedrin they killed for many aviros, gave malkos for many. Today we don’t have a Sanhedrin.
Lubavitcher rabbonim have their way of dealing with it (as far as I know, every summer they right about it in the halachos for the summer that comes out) they teach about it in education.
We way do different than others. Btw someone’s comment that less than a tefach of hair is ok, maybe reb Moshe held that way but everyone else argues. Chabad holds that even a drop of hair is an issue, and that’s why we have shaitels. There is mekoros in chazal that the yetzer hara is not in the shaitels – hair not connected to the body. (See שלחן מנחם). So maybe others hold different but our way is halachakly based. (Those who hold long shaitels are ok, I’m not saying all chabad rabbonim hold that way)
We can’t enforce things the way we feel. Many from the older generation thought to educate their kids a certain way – very strict and harsh, and today many see the outcome of those good intentions. Same thing with telling off people who are not tznius, you can search the internet and see some of the otd satmers who speak about it.Ujm : how do you know the intention of the Jew putting on tefillin? Anyway as long as a Jew has kavanah that he is doing a mitzvah – commandment of hashem he fulfills the mitzvah (see shulchan aruch)
Every mitzvah connects a Jew with a everlasting connection to hashem – Tanya perek 22. And mitzvah goreres mitzvah as we see thousands of Jews started putting on tefillin every day, keeping shabbos, kosher, (becoming “frum”) as a result of one time tefillin.
@arso how you you know where the shmiras enayim is better or worse ? And as mentioned before anyone who doesn’t keep all the “takanos” of the yeshivish rabbonim, is modern, so if you want, you can say the same thing in chabad. Anyone who doesn’t keep the letters of the badatz of crown heights or eretz yisroel (which includes strict guidelines on tznius) call them modern! Issue solved? Now your happy.@avira
litvaks” don’t wear lace top shaitels. Modern, baalabatish people do it because they want it to look as though they’re not wearing a shaitel. All the litvishe poskim clearly ruled that they’re assur.
Ok so the problem was already taken care of in chabad, the badatz already put out letters what’s asur and what’s mutar.
As far as not calling them chabad, chabad in the first place is not a sect of Jews, chabad chassidus is for everyone, so there are no guidelines to be considered chabad, and you get nothing by being chabad. You don’t need to sign up to be chabad. No one needs to know your chabad. Done.
Just like no one has authority to tell someone he’s not Jewish cuz he’s not keeping a certain halacha (even a mumar lihachis, only hashem can decide, hashem didn’t put a gadol in charge to tell people “your not Jewish cuz your a mamar liavoda Zara” or the like .
So stop looking for issues in others and focus on yourself, if you fixed yourself, go be mikarev other yidden, if you don’t hold of arvus, for sure don’t write about bad things others do (cuz your whole accuse is to keep people away from chabad, if you don’t hold of arvus, you have no reason)Arso and avira, maybe you guys should write a Sefer about what’s alluring and what’s not,
Just because you have machshavos asuros, doesn’t mean the guy in the street does.
Maybe if you would have תלמוד תורה עם דרך ארץ it would be משכחת עוןArso, kol yisroel aravim, make up your mind, does it apply or not, if yes, go put on tefillin with yidden (why tefillin yes tell them not to put tattoos too, but why would he listen, tefillin is a one time mitzvah that connects a Jew with a yichud nitzchi to hashem, also הוקשה כל התורה כולה לתפילין, )
If it doesn’t apply so what do you care about others keeping tznius,
So what does it mean according to you?
No other rabbaim sent shluchim? The Baal shem tov himself traveled to be mikarev Jews, and sent shluchim, so did all the rebbes. If anything how it’s only chabad, many yrs ago it was every rebbe going around himself and sending shluchim to be mikarev Jews. It was maybe a bit different cuz most Jews in those times were just simple and ignorent and needed chizuk, to be taught what to do, but even then they deal with people totally off as seen in all the seforim.
Avira so basically any litvaks who doesn’t live up to all the standards you call modern balabatish, so all you want from chabad is to do the same thing ? To call these modern chabad ok, what did you gain? Some lashon hara? You didn’t solve any issue, that’s called narssasisim, to just care about my image, and no one in “my image” should make me look bad.
Alluring – everyone has different taste and evident from the different styles. So like I wrote, tell your wife and the frum world to dress like Arabs – to be less alluring.“כל המסתכל באצבע קטנה של אשה, כאילו מסתכל במקום התורף(הערווה)” (תלמוד בבלי, מסכת ברכות דף כד
Point being that it sounds like you and other people feel that for example the שוק being exposed causes men to sin, which I don’t argue with, but even walking on the street between 100% tznius women, there is a נסיון of שמירת עינים.
The rambam writes in hilchos teshuvah that someone should not say “what’s so bad about staring at a women, did I get close to her, I didn’t do any avaira, etc.”
So a man has his responsibility to gaurd his eyes even not looking at a women’s face or finger, reb Moshe has a tshuvah that if a men can’t control himself he shouldn’t go to work, (he doesn’t write just to continue looking at women, and complain about it on the yeshiva world)
Also another point: the Arabs basically dress in a way that no man would look at them, yidden don’t do that even though if Jewish women would all dress that way men would have much less of a nisaon, christians also are careful with lusting after women and are much more leinyent than halacha.
So yiddishkeit lihavdil has halachos, it’s not just what you feel and make up.
Another point is that in alot of communitys chabad and I think litvaks too, shmiras enayim was not spoken about much in public. One of the reasons for this is and stated in Zohar and brought in likutai Torah, is that a person looks at women when he’s empty of a connection to hashem, so we focus on davening and that takes care of the issue. If a person is empty inside , you can have all the filters and live in kiryas yoel, you’ll still be doing aviros with lustGeneral comment on this tznius discussion: what exactly do you non chababakers propose? That anyone who is not 100% tznius should be banned from crown heights? Or from entering a shul? Enforced by police?
Which other shul or community has such a thing?
Growing up chabad, many of my friends were sons of baalai tshuvah, their mothers and sisters kept tznius 100%, but when they first came to a pesach Seder or shul, they did not, you can’t put shaitels for everything to put on when they come to shul, and although the shuls try to encourage people to dress modest, 1) people coming by the beginning don’t understand all the halachos of tznius, 2) (as far as I know) we don’t hold of enforcement of not letting someone In who is dressed not tznius 1) she’s on the women side so it’s not an issue for men davening 2) we see how such people slowly become more and more frum (besides for the fact that every mitzvah is important to hashem as explained In Tanya. Like I mentioned before.
There are 613 mitzvos in the Torah, if a person is not ready to keep all, he or she should definitely keep what he can and מצוה גוררת מצוה,
If we shut the doors to anyone who doesn’t dress 100% tznius, then those women will leave the community totally (as happens all over in other communitys), so I guess you hold it’s better so that it won’t effect the “frum” but we hold different. If you bring a proof from דברי חז”ל that your way is correct, I can try to prove our way.
I just think that next time you kick out a girl from shul who is not dressed tzniusdik, tell she that chabad will welcome her, or you can put on the sign “don’t come into our shul untznius, if you need a shul go to chabad.”Arso the rambam clearly writes we need to teach goyim to keep the שבע מצוות בני נח,
Oh so you agree כל ישראל ערבים, so do you go to not frum yidden and do mitzvos with them תפילין, give them מצה, or only after they were short sheitels and long skirts?
Btw do you have an issue with the “litvaks” who were lace top shaitels that dosen cover all the hair or the tichels that don’t either? Or only chabad with the long shaitels which are much more tzniusdik halachakly?@yankel berel about gimatria of 770 and tzarfat:
It should be noted that the sicha about 770 is 20 pages long, there is a footnote about 770 being the gimatria of bais moshiach. The main explanation is based on a gemarah in megillah, see there at length. A gimatria can’t by itself proove anything but as explained in Tanya shaar hayichud veemuna that everything in the world gets it’s life from the עשרה מאמרים, either directly or thru צירופי אותיות or גימטריות so a gimatria could be used so show a connection after you have a proof.
The sicha is in Sefer hasichos תשנב page 465-485.
And what’s your issue with tzarfat exactly? (The sicha is in 5752 ויצא or וישלח I think)Arso. No orthodox rav who is aware of the comments you posted over here would accept your Sefer. Accepting a Sefer (especially when it’s recorded on video) is showing respect to the author,
You can see the videos on the internet anash or col websites.
Just pointing out that contrary to some who said that these people are against the rebbe and chabad, they accepted a Seder from him and said good things.
So you can continue to believe rumers or accept the fact that today no gedolim are against chabad. Done! נשתכחה תורת המתנגדים.recently Rabbi Chay Amar, shliach to Golden Beach, Florida, met with ten leading Litvish and Sephardic rabbonim across Eretz Yisroel, presenting with them the set of the Rebbe’s commentaries on Rambam. Rabbi Meir Mazuz, Rabbi Shlomo Yehuda Be’eri (the “Yenukah”), Rabbi Kadosh, Rabbi Avraham Elkayam, Rabbi Yitzchak Shaul Kanievsky son of Rav Chaim Kanievsky, Rabbi Mordechai Shmuel Edelstein, a nephew of the late Rav Gershon Edelstein,,
Avira you controdicted yourself, does he write it’s Torah or not? I’m not trying to attack him (even though if the Rebbe said something similar it would be very different)
I’m just saying that since he held it’s not the mitzvah of Talmud Torah he didn’t learn it. The chazon ish – prove to me he learned Kabalah! According to Avi ezri he could have learned kol hatorah kula without learning kabala.
Yankel berel and if not? Was there ever an internet asifa or a asifa about shmiras enayim?The chazon ish learned Kabalah, to point out in avi ezri, r.s. writes that Kabalah is not Torah. In the introduction of the 4th edition.
I have no clue I he learned Kabalah or not, but he doesn’t bring it in his seforim, so why would I think he did? He was also against learning chassidus.
Some base their yiddishkeit off rumers, the fact that the rebbe learned Kabalah, and was the most knolagable in it, well just open up Seder hamaamarim, or listen to a maamer. I don’t have to go to rumers for this.@arso “all Jewish women were automatically tzniusdig”. Could be but how do you know it was so important? 2) shulchan aruch talks about every halacha even those that everyone always kept.
Yankel berel, billboards is a new idea, radio and internet is also. So in the time of Gemara they obviously didn’t use billboards. 2) do you also have an issue with the siyum hashas in a stadium?! Totally new! What about advertising the siyum hashas or daf yomi shiurim on billboards and newspapers – totally new.
It’s interesting how 40 yrs ago the misnagdim claimed that chabad has such a focus on the rebbe – pictures, videos etc, today they do the same with rav chaim kanievski z”l – there are tons of pictures of everything he didHow do you define “superior”
Yidden are one body, some are the head, some are the feet, but the head needs the feet, without them it can’t walk. See Tanya perek 2,30,32.
We need to respect kohanim because they were chosen to live a higher life, entirely devoted to serve hashem, the rambam writes (end of Seder zrayim) that any yid can elevate himself to live a life like kohanim separate from mondaine things and entirely devoted to serve hashem@yankel berel , I didn’t make it up, the arizal did. So you can question the arizal, I told you my answer, if you don’t like it, then …
It’s according to your logic, one of the complaints on chabad saying the rebbe is moshiach, is that it’s not the mesorah, it’s a new thing, I claim it was always done as mentioned in gemarah Sanhedrin,
Just like you argue with that, I argue that tznius was never a focus, my proof it the fact that in shulchan aruch there is no halachos how a women needs to dress (all there is is siman 3 which is for men also, and no details about how to dress).
Good shabbosCan someone bring a source for this idea that if a women dresses in modest, he suffers in gehenom for all those who looked at her? What if he dresses tznius are men still look at her does she also suffer for not dressing in a way that no one would look at her – like the Arabs, or is she punished for leaving her house – כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה, or does the fact that she’s working to support her husband and children learning justify her being in the street?
Men have bechira chafshin to look at women. The alter rebbe says in Tanya perek 30 or 31, even if someone needs to work on the street he is a rasha if he doesn’t control where he looks, reb Moshe feinsten has a tshuva that says if someone can’t control himself looking at women, he should stay home. So this idea that the women are machsil the men – it’s belongs. As if chabad is the only community with not tznius women, Williamsburg are borough park and lakewood are all full of non Jews, do you not go to the airport? and if you all really so careful and your only issue is crown heights so Don’t come to crown heights if you can’t control yourself. Anyway you should stay away from “kofrim”
back to learning chassidus, someone claimed before the chozon ish learned Kabalah, I guess everyone agrees we should learn Kabalah.Yankel berel. So you come up with an answer! Or you think you know better than arizal and alter rebbe? Btw your statement that the rambam paskens like one shita and after that the other is kfira, is 100% wrong. Learn the sugya!
According to your logic: the mitzvah of Talmud Torah changed, well tznius also did. Cuz the gra said it’s so important, so unless you find me an earlier source for that, he’s “changing” a mitzvah.I started posting because I thought some people were just misinformed about some ideas. It didn’t take too long to realize that they are not open to hear the truth, and continue to accuse others of things that never happened and twist their words the way they want in order to justify their claims against them.
But I continued posting cuz I enjoy it. And so maybe others who see the thread with an open mind will see whose arguments are logical and who’s are not.Yankel berel. Open up a Tanya and read!
Need more mekoros, it’s a clear rambam inhilchos mamrim that sons of apikorsim these halachos don’t apply too. Also the chafetz chayim writes about this in אהבת חסד that it doesn’t apply to today’s apikorsim.
I’m getting mixed up with who wrote what but I find it really shocking that you accuse the arizal and the Baal hatanya of kefira. I guess now I realize who I’m dealing with, first I just thought you read some misquoted things in yated or bergers book, now I see you guys are real mosnagdim don’t accept the Baal hatanya of ari zal!
Arsos pshat in Tanya is simply crooked
How can the Gemara have a machlokes if מצוות בטילות the rambam clearly writes that mitzvos last FOREVERSaying talmud torah kineged kulam dosent apply anymore is not changing any mitzvah, only talking about its level of importance. So its not a contradiction to nitzchiyus hatorah.
2) The ikar of Nitzchiyus hatorah applies even after moshiach comes and also techiyas hamasim. See nidah daf 61, rishnim there. (reb elchonon) and at length kuntres הלכות של תורה שבעל פה שאינן בטלין לעולם, and שיחת יום ב’ דחג השבועות תנש”א – בענין תורה חדשה מאיתי תצאI was just saying that it was mentioned that the gaon says that tznius is as important for women as torah is for men. Arizal argues that torah is not the main avoda. Chassidim who follow the arizal 1) dont follow the vilna gaon 2) dont hold the same about limud howrah as the people who follow the gaon as seen in tanya, and all over sifrai chassidus, the stress on davening, tzedaka, etc (like igeres 9) so you need another proof for chassidim about the “ikar” of tznius. The fact that satmer is very machmir more than litvaks very nice, it dosent make it the most important thing in yiddishkiet just like the fact they wear shtraimels dosent either, or the fact they dont vote or make sure to say tachnun on 5 iyar even if there is a bris.
דבר ברור ומפורש בתורה שהיא מצוה עומדת לעולם ולעולמי עולמים, אין לה לא שינוי ולא גרעון ולא תוספת, שנאמר: את כל הדבר אשר אנכי מצוה אתכם אותו תשמרון לעשות, לא תוסף עליו ולא תגרע ממנו[2]. ונאמר: והנגלות לנו ולבנינו עד עולם, לעשות את כל דברי התורה הזאת[3]. הא למדת שכל דברי תורה מצווין אנו לעשותן עד עולם. וכן הוא אומר: חוקת עולם לדורותיכם[4]. ונאמר: לא בשמים היא[5], הא למדת שאין נביא רשאי לחדש דבר מעתה. הלכות יסודי התורה פרק ט, הלכה א
ועיקרי הדברים ככה הן: שהתורה הזאת אין חוקיה ומשפטיה משתנים לעולם ולעולמי עולמים, ואין מוסיפין עליהן ולא גורעין מהן. וכל המוסיף או גורע, או שגילה פנים בתורה והוציא הדברים של מצוות מפשוטן, הרי זה בוודאי רשע ואפיקורוס. הלכות מלכים ומלחמותיהם ומלך המשיח פרק יא, הלכה ג
ראה גם פי’ מראה הפנים לירושלמי שם: “אמתת הדבר כך הוא .. ליכא מידי דכתיבי בנביאים וכתובים ולא רמיזי באורייתא .. אלא שצריך בינה יתירה להוציא הרמז מן התורה ולידע ולהבין ולהשכיל המקום ההוא בהתורה שנרמז בה כל דבר מהכתובים .. וכל זה הוא עכשיו, אבל לעתיד דכתיב ומלאה הארץ דעה וגו’, ולא יצטרכו ללמוד זה מזה, כולם ידעו וישכילו לכל הנרמז בהתורה מהנביאים והכתובים כו'”.(this is one example that if you think over the question, my answer etc, you see how a bit more looking into the sugya you have your “shtarke kashe” answered)
I didn’t make it up, Tanya igeres hakodesh 9 quotes I from arizal. Why it’s not against nitzchiyus hatorah simply maybe cuz the rambam says that refers to halachos of Torah. See Mishnah Torah. Same way arizal and medrashim say that shakla vitarya of Torah will be batul לעתיד לבוא.
The gaon- tznius: maybe only the gaon held that way chassidim not! Btw Tanya says that תלמוד תורה כנגד כולם was only בזמן השס not today, today the ikar avoda is tzedaka
The chazon ish learned Kabalah? Rav shach and reb aharon also?
They wrote seforim on it like niglah? Anyone saw them learn it? Or just your friend made it up?
I never heard of in chabad we do or do not “hold of the תפארת ישראל”
I thought that’s simple pshat in the Mishnah, you argued, so I brought the tiferes yisroel, maybe you bring me a proof that you should go after your logic and not your rebbe.
The Mishnah also says עשה לך רב
All chassidim held you need a rebbe to follow not to pick and choose whatever you want from each rebbe, cuz then your not following anyone. So it’s bologna to say “I’m heimish, I hold of everyone but I dont go to any rebbe or follow any rebbe)ומורא רבך כמורא שמים: מה מצות ה’ אינך רשאי להרהר אחריהם, ואפילו כשאין סברתך מסכמת להם. ותו שהרי גם בכל מקום הרי צריך שיהיה מורא שמים עליך, כמ”ש שויתי ה’ לנגדי תמיד. כ”כ ברבך לא תסתור דבריו, אפילו נראין דבריך מדבריו [כי”ד ר”מ ורמ”ב]. וגם בכל מקום אפילו שלא בפניו לא תחלוק עליו, רק תחשוב א”ע תמיד כיושב לפני רבך. וכדאמרינן [פסחים דנ”א ב’] אני ראיתי רבי יוחנן שאכל, אוכל בין בפניו ובין שלא בפניו. דכל המהרהר אחר רבו מהרהר אחר השכינה [כסנהדרין דק”י ע”א]. ותוכן כוונת דברי התנא, שכל המתעסק עם אדם, יחשבנו לאותו אדם
במדריגה יותר גבוה מאשר הוא באמת, דתלמידו יחשיבו כריעו, ולריעו כרבו, ולרבו יחשיב כאילו הוא יותר מאדם:
תפארת ישראל על משניותArso what makes you qualified?
You know people who have more yedias hatorah then the rebbe, but you refuse to see how much yedias hatorah the rebbe had . (מצטער סוכה listen to rav bridewitz – you hold of him? He speaks about the heter. By the way you sleep in a suckah? )
That’s called טמטום המוחRambam kol hatorah kulah. Learn hilchos Talmud Torah of that shulchan aruch harav, true others argue, and true the rosh says you can’t pasken without learning the reasons but it’s 1) according to the rambam fulfilling the mitzvah, 2); according to the shu harav – doing the mitzvah maybe not bishlaimos, but for almost everyone today, the proper way to learn, (after learning halachos hatzrichos, one should learn rambam) see hilchos Talmud Torah,
Whereas by learning a few mesechtos in nashim and nezikin, or even the whole Talmud bavli – no one holds you learned kol hatorah kolah (cuz you need to learn zrayim, taharos, and mechilta, sifri, sifra.)
A already mentioned that in Torah or it says Yaakov avinu finished avodas habirurim, that you don’t have an issue with?
When did the rebbe prophesize about moshiach ? About what ?
Seder hachassidim? What about what the rambam writes at the end of hilchos tumas tzarass about someone who talks against a Talmud chacham? Oh so you claim the rebbe wasn’t a real Talmud chacham but you are? I bet even you agree that no one alive today comes close to the rebbes yedias hatorah. And if you don’t agree, then Listen to more sichos.Seems like some have tons of טמטום המח והלב. Maybe eat only lubavitch shchita and chalov yisroel, and things will be clearer. I don’t know what to tell you.
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“The only way forward , if so , is for the habad rabbinic leadership to open up a no holds barred discussion of their leaders personality.
How , even a great person , who had a lot to offer [in his hasidim’s eyes], is not infallible”
I agree the rebbe is not infallible, if you listen to recording you can hear the rebbe corrects himself, but who am I to say the rebbe made a mistake? So for me I need to follow the Mishnah כל המהרהר אחר רבו כמהרהר אחר השכינה (similar to what the rambam writes that you need to followעדים even though they can be lieing)
There is a famous saying of the frierdiker rebbe about this topic when a chassid sees a Seder of a gadol, and sees something he doesn’t understand, he tries to break his head to understand it, a misnaged right away says that the gadol made a mistake.מתנבא על משיח means saying prophesy about moshiach , does not say anything about claiming a candidate, I’m saying the same way we say a candidate, you say no. Neither are prophesy.
From the context it would seem it’s talking about prophesy about WHEN moshiach is coming, and when he doesn’t come that time, it’s a חרפה.
Anyway a few points I saw and will comment on even though I should just say “look who’s talking about shluchim am haratzim” at least those shluchim learned semicha and rambam – kol hatorah kulah. Vda”l
About Jews being equal and non the less mevushal wine. In Tanya this idea is explained that we see indifferent areas in halacha have different dinim i.e. shchitas mumar of mechalel shabbos you can’t eat משאכ גילוי אריות, by יהרג ואל יעבור it’s the opposite. Perek לב תניא clearly says that a rasha could have a higher neshama, perek 2 too. Perek 31 also talks about how a beinuni – someone who never does any avaira even bitul Torah should feel lower than a rasha. But as explained in perek 2 and 32 there is a level in neshama that we are all equal.
Anyway today we start a new cycle of rambam . Did you learn kol hatorah kulah yet? Go learn and you won’t have such dumb questions.Why lubavitch shchita simple, the rambam says the way to come to fear hashem is thru thinking about his greatness then goes on to explain 4 perakim about מעשה בראשית ומעשה מרכבה. How are people who are against learning מעשה מרכבה going to get yiras hashem? So we eat from someone who learns these ideas. Now I don’t consider everything else traif or say everyone else is definitely not a yiras shamayim (some can have natural yiras shamayim) , but I need to be careful for myself to get from a shochet a yiras shamayim כ”ש from when
Avira amazing lines ! If someone is a תינוק שנשבע he’s not a good jew? A mumar is not a good jew? You know you can eat the shchita of a mumar besides for certain aviros, you can wear tefillin he wrote. See sh”u y”d siman 2 and o”ch hilchos tefillin (25 I think) What’s that meant to mean not a good jew, and all the mitzvos to the best of your ability
The Gemara in kidushin says even a Jew who serves a”z is called the son of hashem and hashem loves him. So you can add by the end “Hashem says every jew is my son”@avira I agree he’s a kofer like halevi quoted . Not because I decided. Not being carefull in a mitzvah at the most may make someone a מומר not an apikores, kofer, or min.
If you argue please bring a source. No I don’t agree with any of your ideas that you made up.רמב״ם הלכות תשובה
שלשה הן הנקראים אפיקורסין. האומר שאין שם נבואה כלל ואין שם מדע שמגיע מהבורא ללב בני האדם. והמכחיש נבואתו של משה רבינו. והאומר שאין הבורא יודע מעשה בני האדם כל אחד משלשה אלו הן אפיקורוסים
I don’t see anything about something who says tznius is not an ikar.
I had some time to look up the sicha about how we finished avodas habirurim. The rebbe brings from Torah or and toras chayim that already Yaakov avinu finished all the birurim, and was ready for the geulah,
so your kashe is why moshiach didn’t come then and it’s on Torah or and toras chayim and many other places.
The rebbe explaina there the difference between then and now see there.
Now Yaakov avinu after the thought he finished avodas habirurim he did the avoda of העלאת מ”נ see Torah or.Don’t ask kashas on anything before you learn the whole sugya!!!
@arso amazing can you translate it into English or you just say mashiach and decided it refers to chabad?
You are misnabe about moshiach the same way we are you say he’s not the rebbe.@yankel berel “There was no mesorah to keep yidden away from haskala – before haskala appeared .
Simply because it did not exist.”
Besides for moshiach, that you need a mesorah, please explain why?
@coffee addict. I hope you think yiddishkeit is superior.
I believe chabad is the penimius of yiddishkeit, as explained at length everywhere from Zohar to likutai sichos. I agree 100% that someone looking for bad in others will find it in chabad too , (the only difference is that by other sects of Jews if you don’t fit in, your kicked out, so satmer has no one not keeping all the takanos, or even the yeshivish where your not “kicked out” but anyone who went to bmg and left to work, he’s a Baal habas, so he’s not part of “yeshivish”
Avirah, nice chidush, but 1) I don’t believe any shliach does that and 2) “teaches that tznius is not very important ” if you mean by not screaming at people who don’t keep it or by being lenient themselves, this is non sence, maybe you should call every jew who comes in late to davening and “teaches” that it’s not important also an apikores, or someone who comes late to Seder , or answers a phone call in middle of learning etc cuz he’s showing that learning is not important.
This is what is called sinas chinam. See hachaltzu 5659. Trying to find issues with other Jews.@coffee addict
this question?
Is saying Lubavitch is superior, Lashon hara?
no its not, seems like you should review the halachos
@yankel berel tanya 32, is that the only line of tnaya you know? see gemarah and rambam what is a min and an apikores. not keeping tznius dosent make someone an apikores, nor does saying the rebbe is moshiach, making fun of a talmid chachum makes someone an apikores.
and the rambam clearly says that people who were raised a certain way these halachos dont apply too, and the chofetz chaim also speaks about this that because of this these halachos dont apply
simply the tanya is coming to explain dovid hamelech, not tell you how to act today, (thats why its in brackets) vda”la few points that i hope will answer all questions to anyone who is really honest.
Teachings of the baal shem tov (can be found in keser shem tov as well as many other seforim from the baal shem tovs talmidim)
1) G‑d sends a soul down to live on this world for seventy-eighty years, just to do a material favor for another—and certainly a spiritual one.
2) When someone issues a “verdict” on another, he is actually pronouncing his own verdict. For example, if one asserts that because of a certain misdeed another committed he is deserving of such-and-such punishment, he is actually issuing that verdict on himself. And conversely, if one says that because of a good deed or word that another has done he is deserving that G‑d should help him in the areas where he is needing, that blessing, too, is fulfilled on him himself.
3) Just like when a person looks into a mirror and sees dirt on his face, it is only because his face is dirty, so too when someone sees a fault in another, it is a sign that the fault exist within himself.
4) Upon hearing a negative report about another Jew, one should be greatly pained. For something bad has certainly occurred: If the report is true, then that individual is in an unhealthy situation; and if the report is untrue, then it is the one who is slandering is in a poor place.
5) The greatest of the great needs to learn from the simplest of the simple—for in the simple one sees the essence of simple sincerity.
6) The simpleton and the greatest scholar share the same lofty essence: they both are G‑d’s children. Just like a child’s countenance is similar to his father’s, so too G‑d’s children are merciful, bashful and kind—a reflection of their merciful, giving and forgiving Father.I hope this answers all attacks, if not see tanya perek 30, 32. About feeling lower than every jew even the lowest of the low, and about loving every jew as yourself.
Now before attacking chabad think of these 6 things. Very simple!
@coffee addict. anyone who learned chafatz chaim knows this claim in non sense.
@coffeeroomguy: seems like you hang around chabad a lot. thats called motzi shem ra!
@arso. its so important to keep people way from chabad, where is the MESORA for that? 2) which gadol wrote anything against chabad in the past 10 yrs? if you bring me people from 30 yrs ago, well seems like today they realized the claims were false, cuz if not, and chabad is keeping to grow, where are the gedolim today that care about yiddishkiet? they should be speaking about how bad chabad is to keep people away. and dont bring me a claim that some gadol SAID something to a private person, 1) its asur to be mikabel such a thing 2) if he would care, he would be more public about it.
The global population of Chabad has been estimated to be 90,000–95,000 adherents, accounting for 13% of the global Hasidic population. However, up to one million Jews are estimated to attend Chabad services at least once a year. (wikipedia)
and if you really only mean litoeles, you will have much more influence if you go to the gedolim and encourage them to sign a kol koreh to the jews to stay away from chabad, cuz it seems its forgotten about, (besides for a few board soles on tyw)
disclaimer: why chabad tries to impluence others to learn chassidus is not because we think we are better, its because we know we have something very precious and because of our love for other jews we want to share it. just like if you would hear of a good credit card offer, you would tell your friends. anyone who has been around knows this, whoever has other misconceptions about chabad and who thinks were a cult, obviously just knows chabad from misnagdishe motzi shem ra. in the time of the magid and the baal hatanya they also called chassidim the “kat” – cult for this reason!@arso well said. could not have said it better!