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You can bring your shofar. I’ve done it many times. It’s as animal product as your shoes. It’s a musical instrument. I’ve brought my shofar to the US and to countries far stricter than the US. Never have I been questioned.
Mr Turen isn’t a Chabad Shliach (pro tip: to see who is a Shliach, visit Chabad.org/centers), and does not represent Chabad in any capacity. The event he spoke at was not the Kinnus HaShluchim, but rather a private event of like-minded individuals.
While we’re on this topic, though COLLIVE is not a forum but a news site, I should point out that the site has been banned by all prominent Lubavitch Rabbonim and senior Shluchim, and has a very small Lubavitcher readership since being banned.
“CrownHeightsInfo, ChabadInfo, Collive, The Anti Tzemach, etc”
Comments on news articles can hardly be called forums. And the Anti Tzemach hasn’t been active for the better part of the decade.“Chabad forums are 99% a bash-fest on other yidden, primarily gedolim”
Funny, I haven’t ever come across an active Chabad forum. I once saw an old one which was active perhaps a decade ago.
GadolHaDorah, well said.
I really don’t want to get involved, but there’s nothing Zionist about supporting our brothers and sisters in Eretz Yisroel, and supporting the soldiers who give their lives for them. We don’t believe that living in Eretz Yisroel replaces Yiddishkait, (secular Zionism) nor that the State is the beginning of the Geulah (religious Zionism). There is far more to say on this topic, ve’ein kan mekomo.“Does anyone disagree with that?”
All the people who come with that stupidity have never seen anything the previous Rebbeim ever said or wrote. Every single taayne you have on Lubavitch in it’s seventh generation I’ll find you in previous generations. People like LerentNishtTorah get nispoel by Shtreimelach and bekeshes, therefore think the previous Rebbeim were somehow different. In truth, no Lubavitcher Chassidim wore Bekeshes, just regular long jackets, and later on, short ones. They didn’t have the hats of Hungarian and Polish Chassidim, they wore a Kasket. And ONLY Beis HoRav wore a spodik, on special occasions. Sorry to ruin it for you LerntNishtTorah, Joseph, and anyone else.
Eating Mezonos before Davening is from the Tzemach Tzedek, the third Rebbe.
Not sleeping in the Sukka is from the times of the Alter Rebbe, the founder of Chabad.
Shlichus always existed, but in it’s current form is from the Frierdiker Rebbe (6th Rebbe).
The special Koch in learning Chassidus was always there, and became part of Sidrei HaYeshiva with the opening of Tomchei Tmimim by the Rebbe Rashab, the fifth Rebbe.
And so on and so forth…
“Many Lubavitcher Rabbonim wear a traditional Rabbonishe uphat even though the Lubavitcher Rebbe himself did not, and rather wore the same downhat as the vast majority of his Chasidim?”
Yes. The Rebbe wasn’t a “Rov”, he was the Rebbe. Besides, the Rebbe never wore Rabbonishe clothing, before becoming Rebbe he wore a simple hat and jacket.
Rav Landau A”h was a devoted Lubavitcher Chassid, and served as Rosh Yeshiva of Tomchei Tmimim HaMerkozis – Kfar Chabad, until the passing of his father, Rav Yaakov Landau A”h in 5746. He did not wear a Shtreimel or bekeshe, he wore a traditional Rabbonishe hat, the kind many other Lubavitcher Rabbonim wore, and a Kapote.
He became Rov of Bnei Brak after his father who had previously held the position passed away. Initially he declined to accept the role, and only did so after the Lubavitcher Rebbe pushed him to. He was opposed by many of the Roshei Yeshiva of Bnei Brak due to him being a Lubavitcher Chassid. Some wanted the position to go to Rav Shmuel Wosner A”h, however the latter insisted that Rav Landau become Rov.
“Nice try, but the “Er zol Zayn ah gutte better” means the neshomo is beseaching Hashem, not that we’re beseaching a neshomo, ch”v.
If all the Rebbe was addressing is how you can ask a Rebbe to daven to Hashem, well, nobody really questions that (you can ask anyone to daven to Hashem for you), and the whole atzmus umahus areingeshtelt in a guf bit is unnecessary.”
1. I was helping translate the word for the benefit of those unfamiliar with Yiddish, and giving it context.
2. A common theme on some of these threads is, “Why can’t I directly ask Hashem for my needs, and of what use is a Rebbe, who needs a go between, I have a straight line with Hashem”
The different variations of those Taanos have been around since the dawn of Chassidus, some more elequently expressed, many less so. This is what the Rebbe is answering.
“He owns this.”
Please tell me which Rosh Yeshiva or Godol “owns you”. Where is the production line that produces Sonei Yisrael as yourself? Or perhaps you are a “special edition”…Where does a person develop such a deeply rooted animosity toward a Tzaddik, and an entire Tzibbur of Yereim U’shleimim??
Don’t blame “the gedolim” for your hate, most of the Gedolim have a wonderful relationship with Chabad, and are true examples of Ohavei Yisrael. Not so with you and your ilk however, you are actively seeking reasons to hate Yidden, purely out of Sinas Chinam.
.בברכת יתמו חטאים מן הארץ, חטאים ולא חוטאים.
“His sicha EXPLICITLY says it’s ok to daven to a rebbe directly because of atzmus. ”
Do you think that your blatant lie will become true if you repeat it sufficiently? The Rebbe doesn’t use the word “daven”, and isn’t discussing davening to a Rebbe – something Chassidim have never done – the Rebbe is talking about “betten” in English, “asking, demanding, beseeching”, something Chassidim have done throughout the generations, and across the Chassidish spectrum, it’s not exclusive to Lubavitch. In Yiddish we say about someone who has passed on, “Er zol Zayn ah gutte better” do you know the translation of those words? We ask our Rebbeim to beseech the Eibeshter on our behalf. Which raises the question, how is that ok? Why do we need a Memutzah? Is that not a problem?
(The answer you can now read inside the Sicha.)
“Rav Menashe Klein zt”l (chassidish posek who clearly understands chassidus and still says yechi is apikorsus)”
I read his Tshuva. IIRC he never says that Yechi is Apikursus.
And if you read the entire Tshuva, you will see the great Kovod he accords the Rebbe, and how he’s distraught over what some are doing to besmirch the Rebbes memory. Rav Klein was very close with the Rebbe, and with Lubavitch. In fact he was one of the Bochnim of the Machon LeHoraa of the Lubavitcher Yeshiva in Morristown NJ until his passing several years ago.As for the other names you mentioned, surely you know that for obvious reasons no Lubavitcher will pay too much attention to what they think about us.
“Another problem going on is with mohelim who specialize in doing brissim for freia people but don’t verify that the child is a Jew. The child assumes he’s Jewish since he had a rabbi do his bris so he goes & marries a Jewish girl.”
Chabad Mohelim make sure to verify. I personally know a prominent Chabad Mohel who declined to do the bris of a the child of a very famous and wealthy couple where the wife was a Giyores of a frum Beis Din, because a concerns about the Kabolas HaMitzvos, or the lack of it. I won’t write the last name, as not to make a Chilul Hashem, because the internet is forever…
” I asked one such Michel what he does about making a brocha on the milah, he said safek brochos lehakel, he doesn’t say the shem Hashem.”
Reminds me of a story with a certain prominent non Lubavitcher Rov, who after the Rebbe Zy”a came out with a shturem regarding “Mihu Yehudi”, and the concern of Goyim in Eretz Yisroel being considered Jews under the Law of Return, where the Rebbe insisted that the word “Kehalacha” be added to the law, this Rov told a certain Lubavitcher Rov who told me this story, that the Lubavitcher Rebbe has done an amazing thing for Klal Yisrael, and illustrated with the following anecdote: “Once, I was being Mesader Kiddushin, and under the Chuppa I discovered that the Chosson was not in fact a Yid, and I was saved from making a Bracha Levatala R”L… This is why the Rebbes campaign is so important…”
“Do you realize how shocking this is?! A majority of these guys that are being “mekareved” may be outright goyim.”
Don’t put words in my mouth, I never said these people were previously associated with the particular Chabad House. Many unaffiliated Jews who never go to any Shul, when it comes to marriage, want a Jewish marriage, and call up their local rabbi, who they haven’t necessarily been to before. Shluchim deal with a very wide array of people, not just the 20 people who consistently show up to Shiurim and Minyanim.
I know most of you haven’t spent considerable time in Chabad Houses, but take it from me, as someone who spends considerable time at Chabad Houses on every continent.
Many of you are simply making ignorant assumptions as to the work of Shluchim, while in reality you have no idea of what Shluchim do nor what Shlichus is all about.All it takes for one to contact a Shliach asking him to officiate his wedding is a quick Google search, for example “rabbi Mississippi” or wherever. There are also many Shluchim who don’t have local communities larger than severt dozen individuals, and are dealing with tourists, many of whom are travelling to these exotic locations to have a “destination wedding”, and ask the local Shliach to officiate.
“That sort of cavalier attitude is what directly leads to intermarriage.
Hey, she thinks she’s Jewish, she self-identifies as Jewish, so what’s the big deal. Let’s treat her as a Jew and if later a real Jewish man married this gentile woman, why sweat too much about it.”
Why don’t you try and get married through any Chabad Rabbi and see their very thorough process of Birur Yuchsin and Yahadus. I’ve heard from a Shliach that he has to turn away majority of couples looking for him to be Mesader Kiddushin due to lack of proof of their Yiddishkait. Why don’t you go and learn Hilchos Yuchsin like we do, instead of spewing your Motzi Shem Ra on the internet?
“Why wouldn’t it be? If they advertised: “only students with Jewish mothers allowed!” they would get almost nobody. Use your common sense. They aren’t mekareving everyone who shows up to a mass event on the spot. They’ll get the answer before they zoom in on individuals who have real potential”
That’s a good svara, but in reality it doesn’t work like that. The event is for teens who attend the CTeen programs at their local Chabad House, who come to NY for a weekend with their Shluchim.
The question posed doesn’t actually make sense. Non religious Jews would by definition be Jewish.
When I approach someone on the street, or wherever, and ask if he’d like to put on Tefilin, first I ask: “Excuse me, are you Jewish by any chance?” Most people say no. Most Jews ignore me. Of the Jews that don’t ignore me, most don’t want to put on Tefilin. When someone says they’d like to put on Tefilin, and they say they’re Jewish, there’s no reason to assume otherwise. It’s not Siddur Kiddushin. Occasionally, I will ask someone which of their parents was Jewish, as not to give away the “correct” answer.
When we get someone involved in our Chabad Houses and communities, we almost always know whether they’re legitimately Jewish or not. Their Bubby’s and Zaides were often Frum or traditional. When admitting a child into our Hebrew School, Chabad HQ (Merkos) policy is that they must be verified as Jewish. When being Mesader Kiddushin we do a proper Birur Yahadus, often through a competent Rov or Bais Din.
In short, Haimy, you don’t know much about Chabad or non religious Jews, so please educate yourself before being Motzi Shem Ra on others.
“yitami chataim min haaretz.”
You’ve given yourself away as a Haimishe, or Poilisher, or Chassidisher, or whatever you want to call it. But you’re not the Litvak you pretend to be on the other thread. The word it Yitamu. Also you’re an Am Haaretz, as evidenced by your complete lack of knowledge of the different Shitos on the process of Bias HaMoshiach, and the various stages involved. I can elaborate later.
“Moshiach is a big inyan but Lubavitch “passeled” it
Eretz Yisroel is a big inyan but the Zionists “passeled” it
Learning Tanach is a big inyan but the maskilim “passeled” it”Mikvah was a big Inyan but Satmar “passeled” it.
Gemarah was a big Inyan but BMG “passeled” it.
Kashrus was a big Inyan but the OU “passeled” it.Tanach is so treif I don’t say the Haftorah on Shabbos.
Eretz Yisroel is so treif I join Pro Palestine rallies.
Moshiach is so horrible I hope he never comes.“That first criteria taken on it’s own would fit many Gedolim. Using your logic I could say that the head of the secular Israeli government fulfills one of the criteria by waging war against the enemies of the Jewish People. Those criteria are parts of a whole.”
Yes, many were Hoge BaTorah throughout the generations, and in this generation, I believed that before the Rebbes passing he was the best ‘candidate’ for Moshiach. Of course, Hashem doesn’t hold democratic elections for the position, and me wishing my Rebbe would’ve been Moshiach doesn’t make a difference to anyone’s life. I don’t understand how that bothers you and some of the other commenters here.
“The lubavicher rebbe did not have ANY of the criteria for chezkas moshiach as outlined in the Rambam”
Didn’t have ANY? Really? Have you ever looked inside a Rambam? He didn’t have ALL, but he definitely had some.
Such as הוגה בתורה ועוסק במצות כדוד אביו.Don’t misconstrue my words, I don’t believe the criteria of Chezkas Moshiach was fulfilled in the Rebbe, but he did fit at least the first one to a tee. I won’t be the first to say that would we have been Zoche to Bias HaMoshiach during the Rebbes lifetime, there was no better candidate than the Rebbe. This is something that many people and Rabbonim outside Lubavitch stated.
“meshichism is a problem, but there are still many legitimate Lubavitchers who haven’t fallen into such kefira”
Please don’t put words into my mouth. There’s a distinction between stupidity and Kefirah, albeit a fine line. In my experience with Mishechistim, which is far more vast than yours, the overwhelming majority of them aren’t Kofrim, just sincere but misguided individuals. May Hashem send them a Refua Shleima BeKorov.
“Chossid, why is llearning chassidus so important? Why not gemara and shulchan aruch?”
Umm… They’re both of extreme importance. And if you would care to look at the facts, you’ll see that in every single Chabad Yeshiva, the bulk of the day is spent learning… Wait for it… Gemarah!! Yes, we are also Frum Yidden. And FYI Chabad has a very strong focus on Shulchan Aruch, and all Bochurim learn Yore De’ah before marriage. Lerntnittorah, can I ask you a few questions from Shulchan Aruch? Or are you too scared to face off against a Lubavitcher Bochur who is a Rov Musmach who can likely stump you very quickly?
“Not eating before Davening, caring about Sof Zman Tefilla, Learning Mussar- or ANYTHING that isn’t Chassidus”
Say what? Such utter tripe! In fact, most of what we learn inbChabad Yeshivos isn’t Chassidus.
“Sechel pretends that they do this in Lubavitch circles, but admits “unless there was something seriously wrong with the first date.”
In other words, they DONT automatically go on a second date”A second date is taken for granted. 95% of first dates lead to a second, even if one party isn’t really interested in continuing. It’s viewed as basic mentchlichkeit.
“and I use the Chabad beis din as admins”
Never heard of it. Care to share?“on a side note why you getting so worked up by someone you think is in mesivta and never went through shas and yorah deah”
Lechaim, it seems you may not know what Yore De’ah is. The normal expression would be “Shas and Poskim”.Lechaim,
I’m sure you mean well, but please stick to Pesochim. And if you learn the sugya of Sfeikos (at the beginning) well, you’ll get a head start when you begin Yore De’ah.“When did Lubavitch stop having beshows (or whatever the previous system was) and move to American-style dating?”
As far as I know, we never did Beshows, at least not since the 1940s. The process did used to be much shorter, and it was more common to get engaged in 3 or 4 dates. Now 8 – 9 dates is pretty standard.
“Sechel, even in lubavitch there are issues. It’s the same everywhere. There are enough letters from individuals published on lubavitch sites to confirm check it out. Let’s not try to be better than thou here.”
Why am I being attacked? Everyone has issues, I’m only pointing out that in some communities, common courtesy is to give 2 dates before dropping, and in my opinion it’s a great idea.
I don’t know how it works in the Yeshivishe Velt, but in Lubavitch (which I’m more familiar with) two dates is almost always taken for granted, unless there was something seriously wrong with the first date. Perhaps this should become instituted in the Yeshivishe circles too.
All those saying that Rav Moshe Z”l didn’t limit his Heter to extenuating circumstances, please see the letter I typed from him on the previous page. Seems many here missed it.
There is a story told (like all stories, if it confirms your position you’ll believe it, if not, not) that R Moshes daughter in law once gave him something Milchig to eat, and afterward realized that it wasn’t Chalav Yisrael, and told him. R Moshe immediately went to throw it up.
(I heard this from a prominent Rov, who heard it from a Yid who lived in R Moshes building.)“Not to accidentally be motzi shem ra, but is the rabbi mentioned in Gadol’s post the one who is known to fraudulently claim that Reb Moshe said/wrote things which he never really did?”
Allegedly.
There are several Tshuvos where R’ Moshe Z”L restricts the usage of Chalav Hacompanies (as he called it) to times and places where Chalav Yisrael isn’t available. Recently, a such a letter a revealed for the first time. I’d upload it if I could, but I don’t know how to. It’s a handwritten letter in R Moshes own writing to a certain Reb Yitzchak Hoffman, who was shocked to see the Maimonodes Hospital serving Chalav Akum. When he asked them how they can do such a thing, he was told R Moshe allows it. So he wrote to R Moshe, and this is what R Moshe answered:
(It’s handwritten, and not easy to decipher, any mistakes are mine.)
ה’ מרחשון תשכ”ג
בדבר חלב הקאמפאנייס אף שיש טעמים להקל (….) שהוא רק במקום שליכא חלב ישראל שהוא תחת השגחת רבנים יראי ה’ אבל במקום שאיכא חלב ישראל שהוא בהשגחה וכדומה כל עניני חלב צריך להחמיר וכ”ש אלו שבבתיהם נזהרין לאכול רק מחלב ישראל שבהשגחה שצריכין (…..) גם שחשש ענין (נזהרים?), וממילא גם בהאספיטעלער (……….) במאכלי כשר שיש להם לתקן מה שאפשר להם בזה להשיג מאכלי חלב בהשגחה כי בפה נוא יארק ליכא בזה שעת הדחק.
ולכל הפחות ישיגו מאכלי חלב שבהשגחה לאלו שנזהרין בזה בבתיהם ולא לכשל אותם ח”ו שיאכלו שם (שום?) מה שנזהרים שלא לאכול.
נאום (חתימתו)YR,
I’ve never heard of this minyan in Indianapolis (yes, that’s the correct spelling:)) as far as I’m aware, the only Lubavitchers there would be the Shluchim.Never heard of Rebbe God or Sokolovsky in my life. You’re giving legitimacy to crazies that the average Lubavitcher has never even heard of. YR, I’ve actually been inside the infamous “Tzfas Yeshiva” I doubt you have. While I definitely disagree with them, even they don’t daven to a picture of the Rebbe.
“I have heard from a couple of lubavitchers (VERY VERY few to be honest but one is to much, HEY, the people in lakewood dont care, its YOUR community) that its okay to daven in front of a picture…”
Which Lubavitchers do you know?
There’s a good argument to be made against Ben Shapiro from the Posuk in Tehillim which says:
אשרי שיאחז וניפץ את עולליך על הסלע
In English: Praised is one who grasps their children and smashes their heads against a rock.
Meaning, it’s praiseworthy to kill baby Babylonians because of what they would grow up to do. But not all Meforshim understand it this way, and it’s definitely an exception to the general rule of באשר הוא שם as we see by Yishmael.“M’ikor hadin, based on percentages, reading the ingredient content on the wrapper or box is good enough. I heard this from a Torah giant many years ago.”
Clearly a Torah Giant who knew neither Hilchos Taaruvos, not Food Science.
Username,
It’s really beneath me to talk to a Lubavitcher like you, but in the hope that perhaps my heartfelt words will have an effect, and encourage you to return to Judaism, I’ll address you directly.Pesach:
I believe that the Lubavitcher “Chumros” of Pesach are really Kulos, because by not eating products of other Yidden, whether homemade or processed with a good Hechsher, you’re being Motzi Laz on the Kashrus of other people, and it’s Mechze KeYuhra, as many Gedolim say regarding beards.Secondly, before Pesach is Purim, and as I recall from last Purim, and the one before, and the one before, for a good few years, you’re not MeKayem Seudas Purim and Simchas Purim BeHiddur – if at all. For as you surely know, many Lubavitchers, especially Bochurim, instead of having a normal Purim like the rest of Klal Yisrael, go out from house to house, or prison to prison reading Megillah for others, while neglecting their own Purim. I remember once eating a plain bagel in a Prison parking lot somewhere deep in the Florida panhandle to be “Yoitze” Seudas Purim… This is not the way Yidden have celebrated Purim for centuries, and it’s absolutely wrong. I used to not drink at all on Purim so I’d be able to drive to lain Megillah for others, people who weren’t even frum, never mind Yeshivish. It’s a travesty.
“Tuck in your shirt”
Clearly you don’t know me. Even when I was a Lubavitcher, I was always tucked in.“Sorry, but you’re not there yet. You still have lubavich pronunciation. I believe most of would say yogaato without the y.”
Cut me some slack, I’m still new at this and am trying my hardest to fit in. You’re making me very self conscious.“Not so excited about the pre-boarding though.”
Why not? After all, if the Tachlis is the Schar in Gan Eden, then the earlier you get it the better. Btw, nowhere did I say that you were eligible. It was an exclusive offer, to those who qualify.“So can’t imagine I’ve earned any credit, but I have been told that saving one Jew is saving a world so I’ll take it. 🙂”
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“Lol, SHY.
Can’t wait for Succos!”
Neither can I. Now, every time it rains I can just eat inside. And no need to be so makpid anymore on not even having a glass of water outside the Sukkah.
“Do the lubavichers on this forum finally realize that they have no acceptable responses to our problems with their views? Is that why there is no activity here?”
RSO, yes.
It took over 1800 posts, but you guys have finally gotten through to me. I’ve left 770, I’m currently looking for a place in Lakewood, (if anyone can help, please) and I’ve made slight modifications to the shape of my hat. I’ve bought Tzitzis that aren’t in accordance with the Shulchan Aruch HaRav, and I’ve even switched my trademark Lubavitch Yarmulke to a more mainstream velvet one. I put my Chitas in Sheimos, though, it’s just a Chumra, really Sefer Torah SheKosvo Min should be burned. I asked a Shayla to my new Rov, and he said I should continue wearing Rabbeinu Tams Tefilin until I’m Mattir Neder.Luckily, I was one of the fortunate few in Chabad to learn Gemara, so I’m not too behind in that field. And I’m attending Hypnosis sessions to attempt to deprogram me from all the brainwashing that I was subjected to.
When I can’t reach my new Rebbi, I open up a Krayna DeIgresa at random, and it’s quite helpful. I’ve tried Orchos Rabbeinu, but it doesn’t have the same effect. And the cherry on top – this Hey Teves (which they brainwashed me in Lubavitch to believe is a special day, and they encourage buying Seforim on that day) I went to Boro Park and bought myself a set of Avi Ezri. I’ve also cut my beard off, but I only shave Erev Shabbos, so I look a little more greasy.
Now that I look back at it, I wasted so many years of my life doing “Mivtzoim” and learning Chassidus. And being Doresh El HaMeisim at the Ohel, I think back now of how many hours I wasted there, believing the the Rebbe was answering my Tefillos. I could’ve finished several Masechtos in that time.
I thank the Ribono Shel Olam for sending me to this thread, so I finally see the light, and I thank all of you, especially Syag and RSO for your perseverance, it was hard, but you stuck to your guns. Yogayta Umatzasa Taamin! (Oops that’s a Chabad reference, but it does come from a Gemara in Megillah so probably okay.)
CS, I can think of many better ways to utilize your spare time. Lmk if you want my suggestions.
“Because there are thousands of Lubavichers telling everyone to do mitzvos to bring Moshiach.”
Hashem made this world, and put us on it, and gave us Mitzvos Maasiyos, in order for us to make him a Dirah B’tachtonim. The culmination of that, is Bias HaMoshiach.
We do Mitzvos because we are commanded to do so, but this is the reason why Hashem set up the world in such a fashion.
If you want to bring Moshiach, the best way to go about it is by increasing in Torah and Mitzvos. I see nothing controversial about that in the slightest.
Gut Shabbos!I’d like to point out that in Lubavitch we do Mitzvos because Hashem said so, and I’m not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. In fact, we often “laugh” at those who we percieve to be doing Mitzvos in order to get Schar.
“because he himself said that he is “Shevi’i kodesh Lashem”…”
Sam, as you are well versed in the Rebbes Sichos, please tell me, where and when did the Rebbe say those words?“Aside from the fact that the Rebbe said about the Frierdiker Rebbe that he can still be moshiach even after yud shvat.”
So, according to you, the FR was Chezkas Moshiach, and still could be because “Meis not Neherag”, when did he lose his Chazaka? Perhaps he is still Moshiach?
I’m not trying to laugh at you, I’m actually making a point here. If the FR was B’Chezkas Moshiach, and still retained that status after Yud Shvat, then the rest of your beliefs are nonsense. Obviously, the FR was never Chezkas Moshiach, and quite frankly, neither was the Rebbe. I ask you again, read the Rambam, and turn on the Mochin Machine™, not the Middos Machine, and please tell me with a straight face that the Rebbe was Chezkas Moshiach.