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First of all the study in the journal of medicine was retracted for misinformation and misleading statements. The conclusion of the study was that there were not any obvious dangers but more study was needed to determine this fully. Furthermore a non reliable source of data was used- namely a self reported survey of under 1000 women. Also there was sleight of hand regarding the total numbers as they were combined in a way to look like the risk was comparable to regular pregnancies which it was not. After it was analyzed by other scientists it was retracted because the conclusion was obviously inaccurate and blatantly false.
I know plenty of adults who had covid bad
No children . Including my immune compromised niece who was exposed directly not once but three times. So I’m pretty confident Covid has little to no risk for kids. I am not confident however, that the vaccine is safe. Evidence is mounting that it may not be. So if you weigh the risk to benefits logically you may not want to experiment upon your children with a brand new vaccine that has no long term safety data.Like everything else we do, should be with rabbinical guidance
Agreed , it needs to be done under rabbinical guidance , just like every other thing we do. Note that many of the recent cases were long standing get refusers- including one who had already remarried. The mob cannot decide who to protest.
These men were not trying to resolve the situation. They were simply looking to hurt their exes or extort them. Every situation is unique. Sometimes the woman is to blame as well.Many of us in the Jewish communities have already contracted COVID months ago and currently have antibodies. Yet we face criticism if we feel confident walking around without one. It has now become a chillul Hashem to not wear a mask. Why? I can not infect someone else, and I can’t get sick. (Ok now I will get ten people responding that who knows, maybe I can get it twice and infect everyone without showing a single symptom ) I think if people have zero symptoms
They shouldn’t be required to wear one
And if someone doesn’t want to get sick
Take the precaution of wearing a mask.
Simple.Foster care.
I’m glad remote learning is working for you. My SIX kids ages 3-16 all hate it, most are learning close to nothing
Are camps safe? For the kids , yes. For mental health, yes . For vulnerable people
Living with those kids? Maybe not so much. But if you live in a community (like mine, Flatbush) where many many people already had corona, including most of both extended sides of my family, And most of my neighborhood , you become more or less fearless. Been there, done that. If having corona doesn’t make you immune, just kill everyone now because the vaccine surely can’t do a better job.I am cavalier about corona because I had it, I survived it just fine and I now carry antibodies . Big gov would have me believe that I am STILL somehow at risk – but the vaccine they will invent will somehow create antibodies that work, even though mine aren’t good enough.
If Walmart and target and my
Local dollar tree are open why can’t small business? Unfair IMO
Let them open with mask etc people are sufferingI have kids on both so I feel qualified to answer this. My teen son is on zoom, and even then is struggling to stay focused. We’ve had to switch from laptop to a zoom only device because he was using the (filtered) laptop to entertain himself during class. My teen daughter is on teleconference and hating it. She listens to the teachers she wants, and uses the phone as background noise for the rest. Some teachers/subjects are more interesting on phone but all are annoying. My younger three boys are all on teleconferencing and all hate it. I doubt they are learning a thing. Even my 12 year old cannot concentrate or focus. My 6 and 10 year olds don’t listen to a word, never want to call, and always manage to hang up early “by accident”. Those kids literally need a parent sitting by their side the entire time in a private room or it isn’t happening. And yeah right, I have 3 hours a day to sit with them privately…. In a nutshell, I think teleconferencing is a waste of time, at least for my kids. (Oh and it took my kids schools over a month to actually get the lines working properly- we had serious trouble getting connected, staying connected, and hearing what was being said due to static or background noise) Zoom I think is the only option that has a SHOT at actually teaching, but my other two schools refuse to use it so I can’t judge for those age groups.
I’m a “cautious vaccinator” i space them out and don’t give the ones I dont need to, like Flu or HPV. I would NOT be first on line to get the new vaccine, and probably not even middle…. it will be the most rushed vaccine in history, as well as the least tested, all for a virus which is still a mystery to mankind. That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Trials went straight to humans without animal testing. Trials will be shorter than usual. Historically, vaccines for respiratory viruses are among the MOST complicated to create which is why very few exist today. The vaccine might actually make people sicker upon exposure if not previously exposed, like the disastrous Denvax for dengue. Besides, many in my community have tested for antibodies and both they and their kids are positive.
It’s not just seminaries… boys in yeshiva as well. My husband got a call from a yeshiva he often helps and they don’t know how they will pay their rebeim until yeshiva reopens September. The people paying monthly have stopped. My daughters seminary friends are doing a few hours daily of phone conferencing.
Trying to keep my Kids from killing each other while trying to keep my home in some semblance of order while trying to feed everyone eight times a day while trying to organize and clean for pesach and trying to have my kids call in their teleconferences while trying to also rest as much as possible because I’m recovering from corona and am weak and having some lingering breathing issues. Seriously. All of it. Oh, and trying to not lose my sanity. Oh, and online shopping don’t forget that…
My kids have been fully exposed. None of them got sick even with being locked up with the sick family
Members. The only reason they are locked up now is because they are carriers. In a couple of weeks I will not be worried about taking them out.I told the kids we can play out in the yard for chol hamoed
Most anti vaxxers simply say that the benefits don’t outweigh the risks of vaccination. Which means each And every vaccine has to be weighed – the potential for harm from the illness versus the harm from the disease (and how likely one is to catch that disease as well) some anti vaxxers will pick and choose the vaccines they feel are worth the risk.
And again, Coronavirus is harmless for most and no small children have died in the WORLD yet. So would I care if my kids got it? I’m Not scared of them catching it, I’m Scared of being stuck home for weeks with them quarantinedSo someone asked me, if the vaccine came out would u take it? First off, a new vaccine is scary for me. It would be with most minimal of safety testing in history. Second, the vaccine would probably LIKE MOST vaccines , be for an illness which 99.99% would not affect me or my children. So in effect, once again, this vaccine would be given to us to protect the vulnerable from what is usually a relatively MILD illness for healthy people (ok don’t kill me I know there are exceptions). And , no one would even know how long the vaccine would last and most scientists are saying it could last just a couple of years . So, I don’t know if I would even stand in line to get one for free ….
I always wondered the same thing. I am
On multiple whatsapp chats for Cholim and unfortunately some of them take a turn for the worse and then when they are already on hospice and the family is told it’s the end, the chats start to go crazy begging people to read more and more Tehillim . I understand no prayer goes to waste I just don’t know why we expect an open miracle for someone who the doctors have already closed their files on and given weeks or days. Some of these chats were running for a long time already and I could understand a person seeing a yeshuah After a terrible diagnosis , but not usually once they are past the point of being helped medically.My brother still has back pain until today, over a decade later. If anything natural can be tried at all, try it. One practitioner told my sister- what pulls the spine into a curve? MUSCLES. If they are retrained to not pull in the wrong places, the spine can straighten without using plates and bolts and fusing vertebrae. Which can be incredibly expensive, painful, and may cause years of pain.
My mom had surgery many years ago, and then in the last two decades, three of my siblings. Each went to a top specialist. Each required a second surgery- two because of pain issues and one because the surgery failed and needed to be repeated. In the past year or two, two of my nephews were also diagnosed with scoliosis. One sister tried the natural route with chiropracters etc and was successful at reversing the curve. The second had her son in yeshiva in israel and used a practitioner who practiced the feldenkrais method. Amazingly enough he came home last ben hazmanim and went for new xrays and his spine is now straight. This is after the manhattan doctor told her that ONLY surgery could fix it. Another friend told me her dr recommended strength training (she used a private trainer) and just that alone was enough to align her sons spine. So do your homework and really try natural methods before cutting open the spine and messing around with it.
Most people are priced out of Brooklyn which is now priced close to a million or up for a small dump. Who stays? The ones with very strong ties or reasons to stay. And that’s where the Sephardic community comes in. We have two main reasons to stay- first of all the schools- were very much into keeping with our traditions and you won’t find many Sephardic yeshivot in the US outside of Brooklyn or Lakewood. Second is family- Sephardic tens to keep their kids tied to their apron strings. Family is everything. Ashkenaz are far more likely to plant elsewhere on the globe than we would.
So we stay here… buying houses we can’t afford and living in. Apartments that are too smalIf you live in Brooklyn or Lakewood there’s a company autocorrect , love them. Takes all the hassle out of my worst ever errand. 646-397-4463
Who can keep track? Have six kids and spending in the range of $400 weekly at least. It’s hard to keep track what with multiple stores (moishas shop rite butcher Costco and more)
Message taken. I’m better off staying home pesach.
Unfortunately I think the pesach cleaning and cooking standards have gotten so ridiculously impossible that people can’t handle them. So they go to programs which may not even be kosher….I eat peanuts.
My kids eat peanuts
My husband eats peanuts
If my nephew eats peanuts he can die. Fast.Gee… if anti vaxers hate vaccines so much, maybe they would agree to give one or two or even three… but why would they choose to give one for a disease that hasn’t been seen in the US for about 30 years?
Oh and Suzanne humphreys has a very interesting background… she was a standard run of the mill nephrologist working in a hospital getting a fat salary. She saw patient after patient have bad reactions to the typical flu shot given to hospital patients. Remember, vaccines are not tested for sick or pregnant- but they certainly give them the vaccines. Her patients (who probably had all kinds of kidney issues) would say, doctor, I was fine until that darn shot. This caused her to start looking into vaccines and reading up on the safety studies etc . To make a long story short, what she saw going on in the vaccine/medical industry so sickened her that she left her job, and became an anti vax investigator and spokesperson. Now she makes far less and gets destroyed by the medical establishment. Who would you trust, Suzanne or Paul profit, I mean Offit, who walked away with tens of millions from his rotavirus vaccine that he both created and voted to add to the childhood vaccine schedule.
Ok so polio went down in India. But polio like illnesses have been on the rise .
The prevailing theory as to how polio has been eradicated according to non vaxers is spelled out in Dr susan Humphrey’s book dissolving illusions. Basically, polio had always been a normal gut bacteria. It had never bothered anyone. When DDT was in widespread use all around the world, those areas saw the largest spikes in polio cases. People used DDT in their homes to kill disease spreading insects, the government sprayed public beaches with it when people were there. DDT has been thought to open up the lining of the intestines to allow bacteria through, which could go where they should not go. Among other things, the huge amount of children who removed their tonsils were at a higher risk of bulbar polio ( where the brain would get infected) due to the close proximity of the throat to the brain. In fact, polio has NOT been eradicated in India, the country that still has DDT in use, in spite of HUGE vaccination rate of polio- it is said that children there receive more than a dozen polio vaccines.
Furthermore- before the vaccine was invented, any time a child got any paralyzing illness, it was called POLIO. They didn’t send out labs to identify which bacteria had gotten into the spinal cord. In fact, many cases that were called polio were not confirmed ever. Nowadays we STILL have diseases that mimic polio, they just have fancy names like acute flaccid paralysis and transverse myelitis and more.A perfectly healthy Jewish girl died last year from the the flu shot. I know because I davened for her…
So, basically out of the other hundreds of millions of people on the planet, mine are the ones who are disease vectors…. even with this latest outbreak in the US we only saw less than 100 cases. And if you think that the anti vaxers are the only ones who are capable of catching measles, we have problems. Two of my very own sister in laws who were fully vaccinated as children were told (one was told TWICE) that they needed another MMR. They were tested during pregnancy and surprise, the vaccine was either ineffective of worn off. The vaccine is quite imperfect and many people are not as immune as they think. Add to that number the twenty million undocumented immigrants . Add to that all the immunocompromised. And probably others I can’t rhink of. You should be surprised we haven’t had an outbreak sooner….
Seriously, you are comparing not getting a vaccine to my kid going to the store and buying a measles sandwich and feeding it to your immunocompromised child….
And just as some women have risk factors that make pregnancy dangerous and they don’t have children, so too some people have issues that make vaccines more dangerous for them (such as mthfr mutations a mitochondrial disorder which is genetic and quite common)
, or auto immune issues) Or siblings who were vaccine damaged and the parents don’t want to take the chance.Am I the only one who gets bothered by comparisons that don’t make any sense?
the difference between cancer and vaccines is obvious , at least to me. Cancer the person is already ill and seeking treatment. It is also usually 100% fatal if untreated. Vaccines are given to PREVENT an illness, many of which are not fatal to the average healthy human. Quite different.
Any body who says anti vaxers shouldn’t have a choice is denying the very fundamental truth which is that vaccines are not 100% safe. Anyone who denies this is either uninformed, misinformed, or in extreme denial. The very inserts that come with vaccines as with any other medications has a list of possible side effects. It lists Common side effects (which would be mild like fever, rash, swelling at injection site) and then it also lists KNOWN severe reactions, which do include life threatening conditions in many vaccines.
Also just wanted to point out that even anti vaxers would say that not all vaccines are created equally. And saying so, not all illnesses are equally dangerous . So while they may choose to vaccinate for a circulating illness, they may feel safe choosing to decline vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases (HPV, HepB) or polio (which hasn’t been around in 30 years) but many are told that if you choose religious exemptions you cannot pick and choose vaccines it’s all or none.I know exactly how science works . The people with the millions and billions pay scientists to run the study exactly how they want, to prove exactly what they want. The end.
Here are some quotes from a N.Y. Times article. The case turned on the proper interpretation of a provision of the law that bars ordinary lawsuits “if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.”
Justice Scalia acknowledged that “Congress could have more tersely and more clearly pre-empted design-defect claims.” But he said the meaning of the passage was not in doubt. “If a manufacturer could be held liable for failure to use a different design,” Justice Scalia wrote, “the word ‘unavoidable’ would do no work.”……
Justice Sotomayor, joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, said the majority opinion “disturbs the careful balance Congress struck between compensating vaccine-injured children and stabilizing the childhood vaccine market.”
Justice Sotomayor said she understood the word “unavoidable” differently in the context of the law than Justice Scalia did. She said it indicated that Congress must “have intended a vaccine manufacturer to demonstrate in each civil action that the particular side effects of a vaccine’s design were ‘unavoidable.’ ”….
The effect of Tuesday’s decision, Justice Sotomayor continued, was to leave “a regulatory vacuum in which no one ensures that vaccine manufacturers adequately take account of scientific and technological advancements when designing or distributing their products.”
In a final footnote, Justice Sotomayor wrote that a concern about an asserted link “between certain vaccines and autism spectrum disorders” appeared to “underlie the majority and concurring opinions in this case.”Apparently even Supreme Court justices argue over the definition
There are tens of thousands of stories just like those. Those are just my own personal examples. In this so called religious “cult” are mothers whose infant babies started seizing immediately after vaccine. Babies who got high fever and died in their sleep two nights later. Moms who miscarried (of course coincidence) two days after a flu shot. (FYI the 2011 flu season when US recommended two flu shots for wine flu? Rates of miscarriage for 2 shots was over seven fold) . Moms who had normal walking talking babies who suddenly wouldn’t make eye contact and stopped talking. Of course, they’re all delusional and looking for scapegoats.
2cents, why don’t YOU tell me why there is a vaccine court, then??? Apparently vaccines are harmless…
You can explain all you want. When a one year old gets ill immediately after an MMR and a week later is diagnosed with kidney failure, doctor says coincidental. When a five year old gets some overdue vaccines and stops talking and eventually is diagnosed with autism, conincidence. I know both of those people. And both of their parents say it occurred because of the vaccine. But if doctors refuse to see the truth glaring at them, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
And for the record, those so called studies that supposedly demonstrated no connection between autism and vaccines?? It was only involving ONE vaccine (MMR) or ONE ingredient (Mercury) to date there have been no major study on the impact of dozens of vaccines , for example comparing a population of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. It’s the study we’re all waiting for. They won’t do it because it’s “unethical” to deprive children of vaccines. I’m sure we can find volunteers
None of the court cases were for so called “defects” in the product. Nowadays we don’t hear about “bad batches” although it has happened. They are for standard vaccines given to normal children or even adults which resulted in serious consequences
No, unavoidably unsafe means that there are inevitably some who will be harmed from vaccines. That’s why there is a vaccine injury compensation court created to begin with. And now there is vaers which is just a reporting system. So if even the government concedes there are people who can be harmed, major damage or death, why can’t it be logical to assume that others are harmed in mild way,Iike a lifelong auto immune illness or loss of ten IQ points.
Vaccine court has already shelled out 4B, and they are notoriously difficult. Anything that occurs after vaccination is “coincidence” and they Are constantly finding new ways to exclude illnesses caused by vaccines. And when you poison , yes, poison, an infant repeatedly without knowing the child’s ability to process those toxins or their immune ability to deal with the pathogens injected, you are setting up some children for real serious damage. I think the only reason that we as a nation do not see the damage clearly is because they poison them so darn young. Straight out of the womb, in the hospital, they’re already injecting them to protect them from an STD. I wish I was joking. We will never know if our children would have been smarter, healthier, or not had a disability god forbid. Because we poison them before they have any abilities we can measure. So probably most of the damage goes undetected. so hurrah no measles- but we have 101 other problems!!
Vaccine court records are SEALED and may not be shared or publicized. They don’t want the world knowing which damages were most definitely caused by vaccines- including almost 100 autistic cases in recent years (except autism is not allowed to be mentioned it’s taboo, they just mention all the other problems )
Go look up the famous case of Hannah Poling, daughter of a neurologist who became autistic after getting too many vaccines in one day.
When will all of you wake up? We have a new set of diseases that previous generations never had. We have CHRONIC illness and auto immune issues. We have increasing allergies autism ,adhd ,auto immune disorders of every kind, and increasing proof every day that this is all caused by the well intentioned but “unavoidably unsafe” (words of Supreme Court justice sotomayer) vaccines they insist on poking into our most vulnerable population in ever increasing numbers.I know of one dentist in my community who seems to diagnose cavities six at a time…. happened to at least four people I know including myself. I went elsewhere and had none. Some dentists lie to keep busy. Make sure your dentist puts your teeth before his profit.
The “government” does not pay for medications. We the taxpayers, pay for them. And the people who run our government and their health offices are generally in a revolving door with big pharma.