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Oh! You really fell off the deep end! A pity that Lubavitch is without a central Manhig/Rebbe for the past 25 yrs! Nobody to straighten out the farblonjete chasidim like TomimTeHuje (look it up in Hungarian). I think you have become so enraptured with your “krummer seichel”, that you don’t see the straight path anymore.
To Uncle Ben; There is no such mekor ANYWHERE in either Tora Shbiksav or Tora Sheba’al Peh. However, there is in big Kiddush levono oysios, in “Bris Chodosh”. I think they fell off THAT cliff – Ch”v!
TomimTehuye- You are “off the cliff” nothing can catch you now!
WHO is “shofech Domim”? I am NOT that well versed in innuendos.
“Teaching children p’sukim by heart” may not be a problem by itself, but it doesn’t stop there, and soon enough, those children become Lubavitchers,
which is suspiciously “me’ein” -ianity-like in its view of the Rebbe being Moshiach.
Why does Lubavitch force itself into frum neighborhoods who have their manhigim & minhogim? Remember the Pesach debacle in Williamsburg in ’80 or ’81? Why come to chasidishe shuls in B.P. on Shavuos to preach their “torah”?Very noble & very nice to bring Yiddishkeit into “barren’ places, but don’t push your doctorine where it is NOT NEEDED!
The World is in a State of Geulah” Halvay it was at the end of Golus! Meanwhile there is fierce fighting in the Gaza area, riots in the West Bank, problems in Europe, fires on the West Coast, not to talk about political problems all over.
WHERE IS THE GEULAH?
Moshiach will come “b’hesech hadaas”. Let’s leave Bias Hamoshiach to Hashem, and we should concentrate on mizvos uma’asim tovim, AND NO MORE MACHLOKES AMONG DIFFERENT GROUPS!Just reinforces my previous post; they think themselves superior to us darkJews, Jews who don’t see the light of the “True Religion”. Even the Ramba”m Yomi had only one goal, to highlight that the Goel Zedek is the
Rebbe, And now after his petirah, they are trying to mix in some X-ian ideas of his “second coming”. It is a real pity that a large eida of frum yidden should be led into Sheol Tachtis Ch”v!I remember many years ago, a Lubavitcher cousin of mine had an aufruf in a Nusach Ha’ari shul, & I went to daven there. During Kiddush, the rabbi said that there are 6 kinds of beings in the world: Domem, Tzomeach, Chai, Medaber, Yehudi, AND LUBAVITCHER.
At that time I was young and naïve, and I sort of “swallowed” it without questioning it. However, as I got older, and especially after seeing the discussion on this thread, I see that this is a widespread “disease” in
Chabad circles. They have a “Superiority complex”. like they are the “echt” yidden, and we are the riff-raff.
It is a pity, because it negares all the good they do all over.When we talk about being “Mekarev es hageulah”, talking about Moshiach and Geulah takes a distant BACK SEAT to doing mizvos & maasim tovim for the sake of doing “rotzon Hashem”. CASE CLOSED!
The sooner that all you meshichisten realize this, the faster the Geulah will come. Don’t obsess about it, because this is “Dochek es haKetz”.“The World Is In A State Of Geulah…” Halevay we should be at the end of Galus (Rabbi Yoseif Winebergs words in ’83 or ’84). I know what I learned in my Yeshiva years (Matersdorf, Beis Shraga) and later from life experience. I have learned from the greatest and the best.
We have always known that our Redeemer will NOT be revealed, then hidden. THAT is a X-ian idea. To quote the late Sen Al D’Amato when he heard this Lubavich doctorine that the Jewish Messiah will die and be resurrected, he said: “When the Jews told us that the Savior will not die and be resurrected, we accepted it. Now, that they say the same thing, I think we have been had!” VD”L
Oy l’oso busha! Oy l’oso chlima!! Ess iz a himmelgeshray!As it is abundantly clear from CS, she, & all the Meshichisten are playing with fire! The whole movement is very similar to X-tian beliefs CH”V.
The sooner mainstream Lubavitch excommunicates these cookheads, the better it will be for them. May they see the truth speedily, before they are swept away with the other false-meshichisty beliefs.As close as we are to thr Geulah, let’s NOT FORGET FOR A SECOND, that we are in Galus chosech umechupal. We still have to behave like in Galus, we can’t go on behaving like we own the world. Dina d’malchusei dina. Especially with the current anti-Semitic climate, we are in constant danger of attack.
Yidden! Nemt zich in hant! L’chu venasuva el Hashem!We (the Galus yidden) are not in E Y because without our support, you wouldn’t be in Eretz Yisroel.
Why we don’t wear techeiles, not all halachic authorities agree on what is techeiles, and whether it is available today.To CS;- I have no aversion to Moshiach, I, and the rest of Klal Yisroel hope and await his coming every day! All I don’t condone is this hang-up of being OBSESSED with studying and being busy with it at the EXPENSE of studying other parts of the Torah. We have to study ALL OF TORAH for the sake of limud haTorah, of course, we are praying and hoping for the Geulah, but that is NOT the ultimate goal. The goal is limud ha Torah and kiyum hamizvos because HASHEM commanded us to do it!
OK, demand the Geulah, but!, be osek b’Torah too. Don’t spend the whole day delving into it I.E. the RAM”BAM.
We have to ask Geulah because :Shechina b’goluso”, and that requires ALSO limud haTora.WHY are we so busy with the GEULA?! The RAM”BAM in the beginning
of Hilchos Melachim/Moshiach states that we SHOULD NOT SPEND TOO MUCH TIME DELVING INTO THESE HALOCHOS. Anshei K’nesses Hagdola were mesaken to pray 3X a day in our tefillos for the Geula. Also we have to learn those inyanim, just like the whole Torah, not at the expense of neglecting the rest of Tora CH”V. So stop meshiaching already! “Beito Achisheno” if we learn “TORAH LISHNO”!Since when is Minhag Yisroel a chilul Hashem if done properly? These bleeding-heart Liberals would have us give up eating meat altogether, contrary to what the Torah expressly allows us – COMMANDS us, to do!
They are poshut Apikorsim, and should be shunned and fought every step of the way!The Skrikim against the Degel-niks, against the Chasidim, against who- knows-what-else. Es felt Machlokes?
That is the trouble with this on-line forum! Don’t take the easy (lazy) way out. Ask a competent Posek how to deal with your situation.
Re; “Ever purchased from Non-Jews?”
How do Bobover Chasidim make Havdala on Motzei Pesach on BEER without purchasing from a non-Jew?
I wonder what they did this year?Before you consider a yeshiva in Israel, my 2 grandsons, who were there this winter till Pesach, negotiated with their Landlord for the spring-z’man and paid for their rooms. Last week upon returning, they found their rooms locked, and in one case, the yeshiva, told him that there is NO ROOM FOR HIM in the Beis Hamedresh, this after negotiating with the parents & taking a deposit.
NO WONDER SO MANY BOYS GO O.T.D! This is a “HIMMEL GESHRAY! Beware! There are plenty of American out-of-town yeshivas worth exploring.To GODALHADORAH (sic)
The connection between ARBA BONIM on Pesach, and ARBA MINIM on Succos, is that we have Four Sons, and we deal with them as follows: the Chacham, we put in yeshivs, & teach him “kol ha Tora kulo”. The Rasha we banish, we send him away. The Tam & Sheino yodea lishol, we try to deal with them according to their abilities. “Chanoch l’naar al pi darko”.
Es kummt Succos, & we see we have Arbo Minim, i.e. Apikorsim?! What happened? We threw out the Rasha, and he spoiled everyone else, the all became Minim! What is the refuah? Like we say by “Netilas Lulav”, “Vehayu la’achodim beyodi”.This argument will NEVER end, neither side is willing to concede. But looking at this realisticly, consulting a “passed on” rabbi’s writings, written at least 25 years ago, “smells” of DORESH EL HAMESIM. I am sorry to be so blunt, but with all the G-dly attributes attributed to the Rebbe, it begins to smell of a new religion CH”V.
PERHAPS, MAYBE, IT IS TIME TO END THIS THREAD?Lubavitch, In ALL your plans and wishes you say ” To make NACHAS RUACH FOR THE REBBE”. Malkizedek / Shem was blamed by Chaza”l for mentioning Avrohom Avinu’s blessing before Hashem’s, here you omit “Nachas Ruach for Hashem” completely. It is NOT the Rebbe who wants us to obey the Torah, it is the “Nosein Hatora”!
This is why you have SO MANY well meaning, but off-the-wall meshugaim among Lubavicher chasidim. You force feed them concepts they know nothing about & are not ready to comprehend, they become confused, “Chachamim hizharu bedivrechem… etc”. Look where they are now, at A”Z mamosh!
I guess what it boils down to is, by giving a “kwittel”, a “pan”, a “bekasha” to a rebbe is it asking the rebbe to affect a change in the derecho hateva to our benefit, or, it is asking the rebbe to intercede by HKB”H to grant us our wish, much like we ask a congressman, or a shtadlan, to intercede with the governmental agencies to work in our favor. Is it the shtadlan working on his own, or is he working on the “Power” to affect the change.
Some number of years ago I worked in a CH fruit store, where the neighborhood people would do their shopping. A young lady, a BT, once was recounting how she gets her little child up in the morning, she said: “I wash him negel wasser, say “Mode ani”, and give him a picture of the Rebbe to kiss.”
Now, is this proper Yiras Shomayim, or is this shutfos CH”V? How do they teach Yiddishkeit?This “smells” of
early X-ianity!When Lubavichers started saying “The Rebbe Shli”ta”, it put main-stream Yiddishkeit on edge. How could somebody on the “Oilom hoemes” be referred to as living and be written letters to, and prayed to?
It looks like CH”V early X-tianity, where they said that X will again return etc…. I am afraid we need a Rabbi Shimon Hakipuli to make order.Yes if an isha is “sheasani kirzono” – negative, so the ish, in order to be negative like the isha, should say “shelo asani kirzono” … tongue in cheek, of course.
Looks like Rabbi A A Spitzer Z”L was right. What will happen after Rabbi Katz – Szerdahelyer Rav? Who will superwise the Boro Park eiruv? There should be an inter-congregational committee formed to take care of the eiruv.
There is one hovering on 50th Street, now at 9:20PM
Both Yekkes & Oberlanders daven Ashkenasis, & say yozros by davening, including the “siluk” before Kedusha. The way I see it, the two nusach hayozros are slightly different, and in oberland they sing Lecha Dodi & Keil Adon.